Printing Money

[Balzac89]

Repeat: I have never, and will never tried to pass off fake money as real. What is wrong with discussing counterfeit money on a business board?

It's kind of fucking dumb. lol

 

[Serapis]

Let's just ignore the thousands of threads devoted to the illegal growing, consumption, and sales of Marijuana though? Come on man, you should really understand. You live in Texas, a state where possession of small amounts of MJ isn't decriminalized, and you're telling ME that this is illegal? There's nothing illegal about this discussion. All I'm trying to do is help people out.

Well, many of us don't believe that marijuana should be criminlized, because it is a natural weed and we believe it has medicinal value to mankind.

You on the other hand, are advocating the fraudulent counterfeiting of US currency, and discussing methods to avoid detection of said bills. While I agree that knowledge isn't illegal, your discussion of this subject matter and suggestion that part time employees won't spot your bills leads me to believe that you are more than discussing this. You stated it was a hobby.

Please do not compare your fraudulent activities or discussion thereof with growing or consuming marijuana, which is actually legal in 16 states.

Which states are counterfeiting currency legal in?

 

[Serapis]

It is NOT Illegal to Deface, destroy or mutilate Federal reserve notes. Its only illegal to do that if the intent is to defraud another and gain benefit from it. So go ahead and burn those Benjamins to light your Blunt, nothing illegal about it at all. Besides, the US Government does not issue dollars, a private corporation does.

(Text as of 2/19/02) 18 U.S.C. §331:

Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled or lightened - shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

This thread is about counterfiet bills.... so if the OP discusses bleaching of or stonig of bills for the purpose of removing the original ink, to print over them, I'm assuming it is for the intent of defrauding others.....

No one is going to go through the trouble and call it a "hobby".

 

[Serapis]

Parker Brothers prints their own money for the Monopoly game, your not doing anything different.

People don't stand in line at McDonalds with Monopoly money looking for the line with the part time teen....

There is a big difference and i know you are intelligent enough to see it. You just like to take the other side or a discussion, per the usual...

 

[Balzac89]

People don't stand in line at McDonalds with Monopoly money looking for the line with the part time teen....

There is a big difference and i know you are intelligent enough to see it. You just like to take the other side or a discussion, per the usual...

lol this guy gets it.

 

[Sr. Verde]

This is an interesting thread I enjoyed reading :]

We all have better shit to do than trying to print money.. the dude is just talking about a process chill out.

I learned a lot, and probably have a lesser chance of un knowingly receiving fake money so thanks for that

 

[Dominathan]

This is an interesting thread I enjoyed reading :]

We all have better shit to do than trying to print money.. the dude is just talking about a process chill out.

I learned a lot, and probably have a lesser chance of un knowingly receiving fake money so thanks for that

I appreciate the positive feedback! I have a friend who sold a quarter pound of dank for $1,200. Guess what? He got all fake bills. And he's by no means a dumb guy. He just forgot to check it. That's when I realized just how easy it is for anyone to do it to anyone else. I made a couple test bills to see how legit they worked. I ended up printing off 50 Hundred dollar bills, and convinced my friend I won the lottery. After that, I burned them and posted this thread. I'm not advocating that people spend the bills. If people do though, I can't control that. And I'm certainly not to blame, just for explaining to people the process.

 

[Dominathan]

lol this guy gets it.

You are awfully quick to judge me.

 

[coonword]

in the end i think we all wouldnt mind knowing how this is suppose to work someone said pics for proof lets see them...

 

[Dominathan]

I typed for 15 minutes, and accidentally pressed tab and then backspace, so I lost it all. Lemme recap

-Use 25% cotton rag 20lb paper to make it feel extremely real (Actual currency paper is unobtainable)
-Print with Lexmark ink to retain the colors closest to the authentic bill
-Do any image editing in gimp, because photoshop recognizes currency as currency, and doesn't allow printing
-Cut the bills with a straight paper cutter
-Spray the bills with hair spray (If you're a real piece of shit, and want them to hold up to a marker test)
-Put a couple bills in each pocket of a couple articles of clothing, and run it through the dryer for twenty minutes
-Microwave the bills (Optional. Heating them up will just cause it to stay permanently wrinkled)
- Leave them under a stack of huge books (Over 100 lb's) for a couple hours

That'll produce an extremely realistic spoof dollar.

 

[Dominathan]

Also, I have a picture of a ten compared to the real one that I templated for it. It's on a friends e-mail though, so I'll have to ask him to send it back first.

 

[redivider]

this thread has been great...

seems to me that Serapis somehow thought all of us were going to get escorted away to secret Federal Reserve prisons by members of the secret service for talking about making fake bills...

ppl seem to forget that talking about doing something isn't the same as actually doing it..... that's why the government has to dress up arab-american members of the FBI, and tells them to go into mosques to look for the most gullible chump in there, and convinces them to blow up a building, the FBI provides the 'bombs', 'cell phone', logistics, intel, and target...... because every mosque in the US probably talks about how perverse our society is, and how it should be cleansed, and blah blah blah, but it's just talking.... the FBI has to coax somebody to act on it, in order to keep the terrorism fairy-tale alive.....

see how sarah palin talked about 'reloading', that other bitch talked about second ammendment remmedies, and some other fools said something about bullets bringing the point across..... yet the only one charged with murder was the guy who shot at the congresswoman.

we still have a first ammendment.

talking about doing something isn't the same as actually doing it.

talk about making and printing money all you want... until one of us actually tries to do it, we're good...... so chill the fuck out.... oh, and it's not even illegal to make fake money... it's only illegal if you try to pass it off as real......

 

[Dominathan]

this thread has been great...

seems to me that Serapis somehow thought all of us were going to get escorted away to secret Federal Reserve prisons by members of the secret service for talking about making fake bills...

ppl seem to forget that talking about doing something isn't the same as actually doing it..... that's why the government has to dress up arab-american members of the FBI, and tells them to go into mosques to look for the most gullible chump in there, and convinces them to blow up a building, the FBI provides the 'bombs', 'cell phone', logistics, intel, and target...... because every mosque in the US probably talks about how perverse our society is, and how it should be cleansed, and blah blah blah, but it's just talking.... the FBI has to coax somebody to act on it, in order to keep the terrorism fairy-tale alive.....

see how sarah palin talked about 'reloading', that other bitch talked about second ammendment remmedies, and some other fools said something about bullets bringing the point across..... yet the only one charged with murder was the guy who shot at the congresswoman.

we still have a first ammendment.

talking about doing something isn't the same as actually doing it.

talk about making and printing money all you want... until one of us actually tries to do it, we're good...... so chill the fuck out.... oh, and it's not even illegal to make fake money... it's only illegal if you try to pass it off as real......

+rep. I don't understand why people are getting so hostile.

 

[redivider]

wait a minute, photoshop recognizes currency???

ii gotta check that out.... i got cs4, i'll google some currency images to see....

 

[Pipe Dream]

you know that this is morally wrong right? and your being extremely greedy with your life in this world and it will all catch up to you one day. You claim that its not wrong because gov. prints money. but what about the people that you scam? they cant turn right around and spend that money they have to eat there loses, your pretty much stealing there money. Also my mom was fooled with 2 20 dollar bills that were printed on 5 dollar bills, she knew it but the bitches ran away. I always believed that everyperson deep down was a good person and everyone would make it to heaven. But i recently realized that theres people that are extremely greedy and have no care for other people in this world that they hurt, those people are definitely going under to meet the devil.

You just now realized this? This is exactly what our government is doing on a grand scale. Did I say government I meant the Federal Reserve. They can manipulate our entire economy based on how much money they print, I'm glad you realize its wrong-They are robbing us all. However wouldn't it be a crime to possess any of these counterfeit bills? Do they really have to prove that you intended on spending them? You would think that any money printed for any reason other than to spend it would have to include some kind of disclaimer stating that it is not legal tender. I mean hypothetically if a person lost a lot of these bills and someone found them they would assume it was real money unless it was stated as not. I would assume that being in possession of any counterfeit money is ground for federal charges without having to prove it was intended for use as currency. Whoever fraudulently possesses, utters, publishes, OR attempts to pass......

 

[Dominathan]

You just now realized this? This is exactly what our government is doing on a grand scale. Did I say government I meant the Federal Reserve. They can manipulate our entire economy based on how much money they print, I'm glad you realize its wrong-They are robbing us all. However wouldn't it be a crime to possess any of these counterfeit bills? Do they really have to prove that you intended on spending them? You would think that any money printed for any reason other than to spend it would have to include some kind of disclaimer stating that it is not legal tender. I mean hypothetically if a person lost a lot of these bills and someone found them they would assume it was real money unless it was stated as not. I would assume that being in possession of any counterfeit money is ground for federal charges without having to prove it was intended for use as currency. Whoever fraudulently possesses, utters, publishes, OR attempts to pass......

You can possess them without fraudulently possessing them.

 

[Dominathan]

Yea, isn't that a trip?

 

[Serapis]

You can possess them without fraudulently possessing them.

Ya care to show us where counterfeit currency possession is legal? Why are their Federal charges named "conspiracy to print, pass or possess counterfeit currency"?

Counterfeit Deterrence Act of 1992 (18 U.S.C.A. § 471 note) to increase penalties. Prior to the enactment of new law, it was not a criminal act to manufacture counterfeit U.S. currency. The law also instructed the Department of the Treasury to redesign paper money in order to make it more difficult to reproduce. In 1996, the first new currency was released.

Oswego, NY -- Oswego police have charged a Syracuse woman with criminal possession of a forged instrument, first degree, a felony.
Tanya A. Fenske, 25, of 1265 W. Genesee St., was arrested Jan. 13 in Syracuse. Oswego police say she possessed counterfeit United States money at 21 E. Bridge St., Oswego on Nov. 30.
She was arraigned in Oswego City Court and sent to the Oswego County Correctional Facility. http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/syracuse_woman_charged_with_po.html

As far as unlawful intent, you would be VERY hard pressed to prove you had no intent when you participate in such public online forums, advocating this as a "hobby" and giving instruction and advice on counterfeiting (i.e., "Use 20# paper")

 

[redivider]

Ya care to show us where counterfeit currency possession is legal? Why are their Federal charges named "conspiracy to print, pass or possess counterfeit currency"?

Counterfeit Deterrence Act of 1992 (18 U.S.C.A. § 471 note) to increase penalties. Prior to the enactment of new law, it was not a criminal act to manufacture counterfeit U.S. currency. The law also instructed the Department of the Treasury to redesign paper money in order to make it more difficult to reproduce. In 1996, the first new currency was released.

Oswego, NY -- Oswego police have charged a Syracuse woman with criminal possession of a forged instrument, first degree, a felony.
Tanya A. Fenske, 25, of 1265 W. Genesee St., was arrested Jan. 13 in Syracuse. Oswego police say she possessed counterfeit United States money at 21 E. Bridge St., Oswego on Nov. 30.
She was arraigned in Oswego City Court and sent to the Oswego County Correctional Facility. http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/syracuse_woman_charged_with_po.html

As far as unlawful intent, you would be VERY hard pressed to prove you had no intent when you participate in such public online forums, advocating this as a "hobby" and giving instruction and advice on counterfeiting (i.e., "Use 20# paper")

this is why ppl go to law school. because law has a lot of technicalities.

you are so fixed on the assumption that you are right, you refuse to see how you are wrong.

i'll let you keep firing blanks....

nobody here is saying we're getting together to buy the right kind of paper, and start printing money to make ourselves rich. that would be illegal.

we're saying that IF you were to do it, here's how it would be done. no conspiracy. just ppl talking in hypotheticals on how things WOULD happen if we were really thinking about printing fake money. not ppl talking about how things will happen when we really print the fake money.

it's 2 different acts, treated as such by the law.

 

[Dominathan]

this is why ppl go to law school. because law has a lot of technicalities.

you are so fixed on the assumption that you are right, you refuse to see how you are wrong.

i'll let you keep firing blanks....

nobody here is saying we're getting together to buy the right kind of paper, and start printing money to make ourselves rich. that would be illegal.

we're saying that IF you were to do it, here's how it would be done. no conspiracy. just ppl talking in hypotheticals on how things WOULD happen if we were really thinking about printing fake money. not ppl talking about how things will happen when we really print the fake money.

it's 2 different acts, treated as such by the law.

I wish you were on this thread a day ago, lolol.