# Vertical aero racks



## DIRTHAWKER (Feb 14, 2012)

Wanted to show you guys what ive been up to these days. First run was 3 walls and just the bottom 2 rows, now the 4 walls are up and the top rows filled. Its hard to get pics now with the full cube.

























and with the 4th wall


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## spex420 (Feb 14, 2012)

this is beautiful man my life is now complete +rep


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## cbtbudz (Feb 14, 2012)

that is some shit.very nice


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## eendar (Feb 15, 2012)

magnificent


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## OGEvilgenius (Feb 15, 2012)

Well done sir.


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## sfttailpaul (Feb 15, 2012)

Just goes to show that if one is determined to learn and act accordongly, all sorts of positive things ensue...You have done quite the nice set-up. I too, take alot of pride in taking what I ahve learned and elaborating on it to the point that I gain more and more knowledge from the previous experinces I have learned. Great job man, keep up the good work. You have quite the nice start on an abundance of what appears to be, healthy Coalas and big a big harvest. I like to build most of my own euipment not only saving money (it does cost in my time though-) but the satisfaction that I can, indeed, make something that is good, even better.Reps to you, Sir...


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## jeeba (Feb 15, 2012)

Can you add some detail about it?Light size,pot size,how it all works and such?It looks fuckin badass.How many misters you got/bucket?


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## DIRTHAWKER (Feb 15, 2012)

Thanks for the compliments. This system has been a work in progress over the last 6-8 months. Its based on Heath Robinsons vertical racks, (respect to Heath) although mine is much different and aeroponic, where his was a drip feed system with rockwool.

Each wall has 15- 2 gallon buckets, with one ez clone sprayer per bucket. So 15 per wall, 4 walls = 60 buckets (or plant sites).

Each bucket has a small 1'' hole that drains to a rain gutter system back to a secondary reservoir with a float switch that empties to the main reservoir when full. Fed 1 min on 5 off. The pump is a 1hp shallow well pump capable of 950 gph and up to 50 psi and feeds all the walls through 1/2 pvc and 1/2'' hose from the top fed manifold. The 55 gallon res sits outside of the grow room and also uses a chiller to keep water temps at an ideal 67deg.

Right now im using 2 1k bulbs one above the other, but i plan to experiment with 600s maybe on the next run. The walls are built on wheels so i could move them and get inside.


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## supchaka (Feb 15, 2012)

Very nice, I thought Heath used a flooded tube not a drip or is there a different rendition of it he evolved into


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## OGEvilgenius (Feb 15, 2012)

I think Heath has done it all. He's done aero, flooded tube, DWC... you name it.


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## jeeba (Feb 16, 2012)

Hey thanks for sharing the details.Man thats cool!


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## Micobfsb (Feb 16, 2012)

How was the total yield?
Also, did you do any trimming? ie lolipoping? How old were your clones that you put into your contraption?


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## v00k0n (Feb 18, 2012)

thats a bad ass setup man! can you show how you got your lights to hang like that?


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## Dubdeuce (Mar 19, 2012)

Very nice setup. Impressive looking flowers! How much did you yield and how large of an area did your setup occupy?


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## stonerville420 (Mar 19, 2012)

That is honestly ridiculous. What was the total yield when accomplished? What strain/strains?


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## 01merc (Mar 24, 2012)

Ya I'm curious to


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## DIRTHAWKER (Mar 25, 2012)

For some reason a full page got deleted. 

The last run yielded just under 3 lbs. 1.5 0zs shy. But all rock hard nugz in the final tally. Although i did have 7-8 plants on the corners that got dwarfed and didnt yield squat. That was the first run with the system full. 

Ive since adjusted the walls and staggered the plants on my current run (29 days in). Its looking much better! I estimate that with the improvements i should hit somewhere between 3.5 to 4 lbs. But yall know how that goes.. never count your chickens. 

the strain is green crack....its ok , but i hope to find a better strain to work with soon.


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## throwdo (Mar 26, 2012)

dude awsome grow i remember seeing heaths thread a while back , keep us updated


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## Gyroscope (Mar 31, 2012)

Nice setup dude.
Subscribed
+ Reps


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## O*G* (Apr 8, 2012)

DIRTHAWKER said:


> For some reason a full page got deleted.
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> The last run yielded just under 3 lbs. 1.5 0zs shy. But all rock hard nugz in the final tally. Although i did have 7-8 plants on the corners that got dwarfed and didnt yield squat. That was the first run with the system full.
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Sweet grow ... I like the aereo set up what kind of filter are you using, have any problems with nozzles. Also the square arrangements is far less effecient
then a circle arrangment. If u really wanting 2+ per 1000 I would switch to pvc and or fence post and increase plant numbers


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## DIRTHAWKER (Apr 8, 2012)

O*G* said:


> Sweet grow ... I like the aereo set up what kind of filter are you using, have any problems with nozzles. Also the square arrangements is far less effecient
> then a circle arrangment. If u really wanting 2+ per 1000 I would switch to pvc and or fence post and increase plant numbers


PVC or fence posts...lol why? how would that increase the yield? Im about to get to 2lbs per with my system the way it is and this is with a lower yielding strain. 

Wait till i get a better strain that can yield ,,lets say 2 ozs..wait lets just say 1.5 ozs per plant. I stagger the holes and veg a little longer to get bigger plants that can get to 1.5, (still with me?) ok so i have 48 plant sites @ 1.5 ozs a plant is 4.5 lbs. Is that efficient enough for yas? or how bout 2oz plants =6 lbs. is that ok?

Maybe i should cram 50 MORE smaller plants on top of the 48 already in there, risk prison time, rebuild the whole system with fence posts. Stuff all those roots in to tiny 4 inch fence posts so i get root rot from drainage problems, then maybe it will be efficient?


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## Ringsixty (Apr 8, 2012)

Nice setup. Would love to try this. But, no space


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## O*G* (Apr 11, 2012)

DIRTHAWKER said:


> PVC or fence posts...lol why? how would that increase the yield? Im about to get to 2lbs per with my system the way it is and this is with a lower yielding strain.
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> Wait till i get a better strain that can yield ,,lets say 2 ozs..wait lets just say 1.5 ozs per plant. I stagger the holes and veg a little longer to get bigger plants that can get to 1.5, (still with me?) ok so i have 48 plant sites @ 1.5 ozs a plant is 4.5 lbs. Is that efficient enough for yas? or how bout 2oz plants =6 lbs. is that ok?
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> Maybe i should cram 50 MORE smaller plants on top of the 48 already in there, risk prison time, rebuild the whole system with fence posts. Stuff all those roots in to tiny 4 inch fence posts so i get root rot from drainage problems, then maybe it will be efficient?


O.K. im still with you ? do i get to smell what your cooking next. For me 3lbs per 1000 watt isnt a benchmark its an average to below average yeild. If you can produce that number with 1000 watt bulbs in a square room i will comend you. Now if you had 3 600 watt bulbs in a circle instead of a square i would be far less suprised. As far as root rot in 4.75 inch pvc tubes very possiable , especially if you are an idiot and growing plants and not switching clones to 12/12 before 12 inches. With tiny plants penetration is not an issue thus no need for big bulbs i preffer 250 watt and or 400 watt on dimable 250 watt for most of grow. If plant numbers is a problem then being efficient is much harder. That being said i am designing new system out of large diameter water pipe , filling tubes with hydroton is going to be impossiable due to availabilty.So im planning areo set-up for leggy plants. I was intrested in filters, nozzels, and pumps and micron size ...


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## DIRTHAWKER (Apr 11, 2012)

I love when people show up and tell how big of a pecker they've got with no proof, especially with 2 posts. 3 lbs per 1k is a below average yield for you? I'll believe that when i see it. and..

What kind of system is it? Its hard to believe you can get a harvest like that running your so called 250 and or 400 watt dimmable for most of the grow? How many small "under 12 inch plants" do you run per run to get to over 3 lbs using 400 watt dimmable? hmmm it doesnt add up. but we should just take your word for it?....so

Please by all means lets see some pictures of this so that we can all learn from you.


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## Gyroscope (Apr 11, 2012)

I'm with you DH. I smell BS....


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## 22urbo (Apr 12, 2012)

oh wow, just dropped in on this and you have an incredible operation going on. Tip of the hat to you sir. 


O*G*...girls talk, men walk. where's the evidence?


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## O*G* (Apr 14, 2012)

I didn't go vertical to be cool guy doing things different. Its simple matter Of square feet. Is it hard to believe a 5ft table producers 1.5 lb under normal flat conditions. Thats about average ebb and flow numbers. So by growing vertically I increase square ft. and by flowering 10 inch clones I use 4 250 watts around which I have 78 plants. I have rain bird sprinkler atop each of 13 post. I used plastic welder to attach 6 sections of 3 inch pvc to each column. What you chose to consider possible is figment of your own mind. I saw cannabis cage years ago and have been on that style grow ever since. but 100 % indica doesn't cut it ... so im taking my show to true hp aereo for new sytem for bigger plants .... peace


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## DIRTHAWKER (Apr 14, 2012)

O*G* said:


> I didn't go vertical to be cool guy doing things different. Its simple matter Of square feet. Is it hard to believe a 5ft table producers 1.5 lb under normal flat conditions. Thats about average ebb and flow numbers. So by growing vertically I increase square ft. and by flowering 10 inch clones I use 4 250 watts around which I have 78 plants. I have rain bird sprinkler atop each of 13 post. I used plastic welder to attach 6 sections of 3 inch pvc to each column. What you chose to consider possible is figment of your own mind. I saw cannabis cage years ago and have been on that style grow ever since. but 100 % indica doesn't cut it ... so im taking my show to true hp aereo for new sytem for bigger plants .... peace



Hahaha.. you are funny guy. Sounds like you got it all figured out ehh? Been readin up? Hmmmmm... 78 clones? with 250 watters? ok lets give you the benefit of say 1/2 an oz per clone at harvest. 78x .5= 39 ozs on a good day. thats 2.4 lbs. Hmmm i thought 3 lb harvests were below average for you? 

Dont ever count your chickens before there hatched, and ya might consider that tryin to go all HP aero in a small tube will get yas no better results then a much simpler lp system. 
The mist will have nowheres ta go and yas wont get the benefit of the micros size droplets cause it will just hit the side and just run down and act like a lp system anyway. But go ahead and choose your own "figments". Now just blow it out your ass! and stay off my thread!


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## DIRTHAWKER (Apr 15, 2012)

A week ago.


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## Gyroscope (Apr 15, 2012)

Nice ...............


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## beenthere (Apr 20, 2012)

DIRTHAWKER said:


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## MrNash (Apr 20, 2012)

Beautifull garden and impressive setup mate! +rep for the putting the time and effort to make smt that effective!


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## Bob Smith (Apr 21, 2012)

O*G* said:


> I didn't go vertical to be cool guy doing things different. Its simple matter Of square feet. Is it hard to believe a 5ft table producers 1.5 lb under normal flat conditions. Thats about average ebb and flow numbers. So by growing vertically I increase square ft. and by flowering 10 inch clones I use 4 250 watts around which I have 78 plants. I have rain bird sprinkler atop each of 13 post. I used plastic welder to attach 6 sections of 3 inch pvc to each column. What you chose to consider possible is figment of your own mind. I saw cannabis cage years ago and have been on that style grow ever since. but 100 % indica doesn't cut it ... so im taking my show to true hp aereo for new sytem for bigger plants .... peace


Why only 13 posts? If using 22.5s in your base, you should be at at least 15 (I'm at 15 and am debating creating a new base with 16 columns so I can squeeze six more plants in..........have 90 ATM).

Dirthawker, looks great.............and yeah, HP aero in 4" tubes doesn't work so hot


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## Mr.Hempnotic (Apr 25, 2012)

Cant buy a better set up... if you want something done right i guess you do it yourself ++ awsome display DirtHawker


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## DIRTHAWKER (Apr 26, 2012)

Thanks for the kind words guys. 

Crastoglreen...its all in my thread if you read it. 


Harvest time.














also got the system cleaned up and put the next batch in.


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## Wand Via Stomps (Apr 26, 2012)

Wow, amazing set up. Teach me pwease??? Lol.


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## ihavealotofquestions (Apr 26, 2012)

Beautiful grow, don't let haterz get to you lol. I've been wanting to build a vertical aero setup for a while now. Good job mate


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## O*G* (Apr 30, 2012)

they look frosty  ..... i think your aereo set-up is tits. srry if i offended you. My only aereo experiance is with cloner. I am using sprinklers ontop of 4.75 inch FILLED columns. I would like to try using aereo in future, which is why i asked about nozzles and filters. Never intended in pissing contest, or getting negative. I am intrested in hp aereo for fact of using such small amount of nutes. Although i would never jam them in fence post. I have contemplated using lp aero in fence post, but worried about recirculating nutes and having nozzles clog ...i have plastic welder so welding 5 gallon buckets togther for hp aereo ? and not running selonoids ect. Just trying to make a effecient drain to waste system.


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## StonerGrower (May 14, 2012)

Nice set up


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## potpimp (May 14, 2012)

Dirt, I have a throbbing hard-on from those last pix man; this is one amazing setup. I'm going to totally build one of these for my next setup! Great contribution!


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## JohnO (May 14, 2012)

you sir, got my dick hard. =rep


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## Epicfork (May 20, 2012)

G status right there


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## InsaneMJ (May 20, 2012)

I'm considering mimicking your set up, it's almost too good to pass up. Been running thousands and just now hittin over 2.5ps a thousand.


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## BearDown! (May 21, 2012)

DIRTHAWKER said:


> PVC or fence posts...lol why? how would that increase the yield? Im about to get to 2lbs per with my system the way it is and this is with a lower yielding strain.
> 
> Wait till i get a better strain that can yield ,,lets say 2 ozs..wait lets just say 1.5 ozs per plant. I stagger the holes and veg a little longer to get bigger plants that can get to 1.5, (still with me?) ok so i have 48 plant sites @ 1.5 ozs a plant is 4.5 lbs. Is that efficient enough for yas? or how bout 2oz plants =6 lbs. is that ok?
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> Maybe i should cram 50 MORE smaller plants on top of the 48 already in there, risk prison time, rebuild the whole system with fence posts. Stuff all those roots in to tiny 4 inch fence posts so i get root rot from drainage problems, then maybe it will be efficient?


whoa, don't get all hot and bothered, you did just fine, be confident in the fact that you know what you are doing, there will always be haters, or people that think you can do better, just keep on doing what you are doing and keep sharing...lol
cuz i am enjoying the thread and really appreciate your time you put into bringing us all in on how you are doing... gives the rest of us who DO APPRECIATE your work some great ideas and motivation...don't let one guy get you riled up...
great thread btw.


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## BearDown! (May 21, 2012)

damn this was a great thread, thanks alot DH, please, keep em coming!!!


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## Californicater (May 21, 2012)

Im going to steal your method of duct tape lines to dry on.


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## InsaneMJ (May 22, 2012)

How tall are they when you flip them? My blue dream end up fully doubling in size by th end of harvest and i wanna try this out. So roughly how tall do you allow them to get at the end?


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## O*G* (May 30, 2012)

Bob Smith said:


> Why only 13 posts? If using 22.5s in your base, you should be at at least 15 (I'm at 15 and am debating creating a new base with 16 columns so I can squeeze six more plants in..........have 90 ATM).
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> Dirthawker, looks great.............and yeah, HP aero in 4" tubes doesn't work so hot



13 post gives me equal space between plants from top to bottom, and side to side. They are positioned on 4 foot diameter. It gives me 9 inches apart side to side and closer to 10 inches top to bottom. Hence small circle is why using small lights. They can overlap already that a good trimming is in order i wouldnt want to to cram more plants inn. And was planning on deisging big sytem maybee with buckets welded or 12inch pvc thats why intrested in hp aereo only for DTW properties of handeling the res once a week. Intstead of changing nutes wanted to use them, dont care if roots go low pressure or wet. Like the idea of DTW and not checking and bothering nutes. Why im intrested in top notch filter, so handling and bothering with my nozzels want become another issue.


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## Gyroscope (Jun 19, 2012)

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Hans, destroy the wheel !! 
_Ya Vol_, _Mein fuhrer !!_


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## WeeGogs (Jun 21, 2012)

Hi Dirthawker.
that looks amazing,

1, do you think the plants can be set up like this growing in soil too. 
2, is this a great way to save on space or does conventional growing just save the same space.
3, when the lamps are hanging like this is there any risk of say bulb explosion or fire, as i had a sealed metal unit go on fire last year inside and i noticed that at the screw end of the bulb when i took the toughened glass screen off to inspect it that the connection at the very end of the bulb the solder part in the middle was totally melted and the connecting wires to the holder were all burned totally black and crispy, but with me having a sealed room with internal and external 8" fans it just extracted any smoke outside when i was not in. when i returned the lamp was off and thats when i noticed the burning inside it when i went to change the bulb. 
i changed the bulb and wiring and the same thing happened to the second bulb and wiring so i dont know if the ballast is making it too hot or if it is the bulb holder/connector that was damaged.
but what would have happened in the case of the bulb and holder being in the open air instead of inside the steel unit.


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## WeeGogs (Jun 23, 2012)

also i noticed that your racks were solid on the floor, could you buy furniture castor wheels and sit them on the wheels so that you can move the racks around for maintenance etc.
super market shopping trolley wheels are good too as they have solid rubber tyres and can move in any direction, you could nick a couple and take the wheels off.


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## Badmf (Jun 24, 2012)

If you re-read he has it on wheels, which is very smart. Soil would slow growth and be super heavy and messy. Copy this or suffer. Great job and sucess to ya!


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## Badmf (Jun 24, 2012)

O G ;You have so many posts, how do you have time to build any super mega system thats con viently invisible, lol. Wanna be paper grower!


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## polyarcturus (Jun 24, 2012)

thats a pretty sweet set up i think you may have inspired me to make a mini version out of coffee cans( i think i will do, 30 sites 1/4hp pump, gonna be tuff figuring out how to make the rack to hold everything) can on a side wall in my tent in addition to my horizontal plants.

thats a well designed fairly affordable system. doesnt get much better than that


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## pussys123 (Apr 30, 2016)

Hello,

First post, been lurking here and there for a little while, but i had to comment. DH your system is sick! well done for having the balls and going with your gut!
I started growing in 2000, nft, gemini aurora twin 600w lights, 3 bed house, ram to the rafters. Been there done that, Op didn't last long and imploded on itself, greedy partners etc etc usual crap.

So my phoneix is rising, i'm looking for extreme quality with the last number of plants as possible. My head is full of f-ing date, my laptop has around 40 tabs open, yet I'm still to order the seeds! 
I'm learning all the time, just when I've decided what I'm going to do, I have a brain wave and get side tracked, its the curse of a over imaginative brain, which only goes into over drive, 10 minutes before bedtime.. I don't want to rush into things, I was going to go for single 30 or 50 litre thermo plastic buckets or barrel, with HPA and 4 nozzles in each, small fan connected to cold air intake on top to give a blast of fresh air once in a while between feeds, a multi head mister and a drip ring on the top, perhaps a combination of feeds, or keep as alternative feed just in case something cocks up, I was feeling the stadium or vertical grow system, so now after seeing your thread, its back to the drawing board for me! 

Im thinking around 8 plants, 1 DE gavita 1000w, a LEC, a big mofo led panel and more...






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