guy incognito
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Seems like everyone would be better off not having some conspiracy to promote shitty tomato genetics though. The seed breeder, the farmer, the grocery store, and the consumer would all benefit from better genetics.
why the abundance of shitty strains?
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This is the stupidest thread I ever read. Top to bottom. If you can't grow a good quality sativa, OR indica, your just a garbage gardener. Stick to your newb weed that's easy to grow and leave the big boy stuff for the adults. I've smoked 24% Sativas that would blow your mind. But most of the porrly educated haters don't have anywhere near the knowledge to grow one properly, so they blame the strain. Stick to your little 600 watt AKs, boys.
abe supercro
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As there are more great strains being developed, there are just as many, likely much more, shitty strains entering the marketplace each day. the seed business can be lucrative and many people/companies attempt to prosper by getting more newer product out each year. hopefully known reputable seed merchants don't choose to follow the short term get-rich-quick business model and won't launch a new seed line before sufficient proper work has been put into creating a decent strain.
Researching many objective reviews is always required when dedicating the time/energy to selecting thru all the phenos that would result in a true breeding strain 10 pack. If one can't find a few winners than something went wrong.
Does anyone know of a comprehensive up to date review site dedicated to reviews of current seed companies product? so much of what i find is subjective.
Researching many objective reviews is always required when dedicating the time/energy to selecting thru all the phenos that would result in a true breeding strain 10 pack. If one can't find a few winners than something went wrong.
Does anyone know of a comprehensive up to date review site dedicated to reviews of current seed companies product? so much of what i find is subjective.
Spun
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I just don't think there is such a thing Abe. I dream of a place on the net that has not been commercially struck. Hell, I tried adding a sig to my post's here and it all the sudden attached an Attitude ad to my sig. Fuck that. Let me make my own decision about who I will support. If you click the seeds link on this site all it will come back with is Attitude and Nirvana. Nice bias there. Go figure.
I don't think you could even start an unbiased thread or anything that would depend on people to input their honest opinion. Impossible. Look at wiki. Its pure ppl driven bs or good. You deciper.
I don't think you could even start an unbiased thread or anything that would depend on people to input their honest opinion. Impossible. Look at wiki. Its pure ppl driven bs or good. You deciper.
Brick Top
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I'm sure it is rare but when I was very young I had neighbors that were Quakers and they would dry tomato seeds from each seasons crop to use for the nest season. I'm sure some people somewhere still do the same.
In my case, while it was not intentional, a few years back a tropical storm passed through and I didn't think to pick my ripe tomatoes before it hit and they were all blown off the vines. I never picked them up and the following year I had tomato plants even though that year I did not plant tomatoes. Both would somewhat be examples of bagseed tomato plant growing, wouldn't they?
Brick Top
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I'd backdate that to the 60's and 70's. By the 80's the Mexican strains that were once quality strains and not the over-dried pressed brick-weed most people today believe it always was had almost completely vanished and more and more mediocre crosses were showing up.
Brick Top
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What is needed is an independent organization of sorts that would test and smoke and then report. As long as smoke reports are written by individuals they will remain subjective and they will also remain wildly inaccurate. Personal preference will remain more of a factor than actual quality or even true potency and lack of skill or lack of luck will cause many reviews to be much lower than the genetics deserve to be rated. As long as individuals would be able to write and add reviews there will always be the danger that someone, a less than honest breeder, someone who works for them or someone who knows them personally or just someone who prefers their line will write spectacular reviews about their their gear far above what would be accurate and then hit other breeders lines with terrible reviews saying the strains are the worst ever.
Even reviews that were written honestly would in many cases have to be taken with a grain of salt. Consider the number of times we have seen what is really an average at best strain when it comes to professional genetics get rave reviews. If you have someone who has only smoked commercial grade and then begins to grow, if they have decent or better luck on their first grow or early in growing even if they pick average quality professional genetics it can seem like 'The Holy Grail' to them compared to what they used to smoke. So they go on and on about how incredible it is when it only seems that way to them due to lack of experience with and lack of exposure to a large comparative base of many different strains of many different types from many different breeders.
You can even see the same basic thing in the reviews of some growers who have grown for a half decent amount of time but whose preference in strain types is extremely limited or who fell in love with the first and maybe also the second breeder's lines they tried and have only grown those types of strains from those breeders. What they write makes the breeders sound like Ganja Gods and their strains pure perfection. But they have sampled about 1% of what is available to growers and are clueless that there are any number of strains and anywhere from a few to many breeders that are far superior.
Someone would have a vastly better chance of finding the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow than to find non-biased professional quality strain and breeder reviews.
Spun
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Um uh.....I love reading your stuff Bricktop. Informative and long winded! You didn't miss a damn thing......I woulda mentioned my boy squashing up a buncha maters and then flushing them (he flushes everything) and the finding the most amazing tomatoe plants out back in the right of way at a broken pipe. I was scared to eat them as they had wallered in feces all their life but wow! Maters from hell......but I didn't associate that with a bag seed grow?!
An um uh noooooo.....we will never see an unbiased opinion of generally any plant that grows more especially one that is used for effect. Every person reacts a lil differently to most anything. Shitty stains? If its mature, taste decent and gets you blasted, it good. Otherwise it could be a shitty strain but too many varibles play in on what could be considered shitty a strain. Ask a crowd of potheads if the strain is shitty and you'll get 3 opinions per every 2 potheads.
An um uh noooooo.....we will never see an unbiased opinion of generally any plant that grows more especially one that is used for effect. Every person reacts a lil differently to most anything. Shitty stains? If its mature, taste decent and gets you blasted, it good. Otherwise it could be a shitty strain but too many varibles play in on what could be considered shitty a strain. Ask a crowd of potheads if the strain is shitty and you'll get 3 opinions per every 2 potheads.
Brick Top
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What would be great, though I expect it would never happen, would be if medicinal marijuana were made legal nationally and then something like a university horticulture department working with a research department would be supplied seeds from each breeder, grow each strain, test is using the highest technology equipment and then have actual medicinal users test each strain that would be in the category for their particular medicinal problem or problems and the combination of results from growing, scientific testing and medicinal user testing be compiled.
It would not do much for the toker just looking for Mr. Toad's Wild Ride but it would be a big step forward, especially for those to who marijuana is most important, and even the Mr. Toad's Wild Ride people could still rely on some of the test results to help make a better decision when it comes to strain choice.
There would be unbiased results on everything from seed size and condition to germination rates to how well it grew and what particular needs each strain might have to grow and produce the best it could and credible yield results to reliable and credible test results for cannabinoid percentages and then the reviews of those who would be looking at it as and using it as actual medication and reporting on it's value in each of their individual cases.
That could even be compared and a rating of some sort placed on each strain based on each person's medical case history where it might be found that strain 'X' worked better alone or when used in conjunction with some other strain and if used/consumed in one manner rather than others the results were better and or even if it had better results when used with some chemical pharmaceutical of some sorts or sorts.
A lot could be learned, a lot of valuable medical information could be compiled, various different uses presently unknown might be found that could be highly beneficial and various derivatives of marijuana might be found that could end up creating entire new forms of treatment and possibly even in some cases cures.
But if that ever happens it will likely be in the Buck Rogers in the 25th century days rather than at any point in our lifetimes. It makes far too much sense to do it for the U.S. government, and most others, to even begin to consider to allow it.
No matter how many people in need could be helped or possibly even cured it would not be enough for the government to risk losing face for it's decades and decades long war on marijuana and all their just say no and this is your brain on drugs campaigns and the billions of taxpayer dollars they have wasted attempting to stop its use and convince people that .... uhhh marijuana is bad, m'kay.
No matter what medicinal wonders would likely be found the government lacks the collective balls to stand before the nation and say .... we are wrong and we have been wrong for decades and decades .... marijuana is good.
HHF
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Well, in all honesty in today's market. This route is almost un-seen. Notice I did not use the word un-heard of, as everyone and their dog will tell you this of course as that is what they want you to hear, but try getting photo's of selections made along the way, original mothers, fathers and down line. Like rocking horse poop to find, almost non existent and a lot of their words just fabrication.
There is not much money in doing things right, to be honest the overheads are massive, lots of plants, space, being in right environment and most plants that are kept are seeded, real breeders don't grow lots of sensi friend. Many modern breeders are just rehashing others work and growing seeds to make some more money on the side from their crop. This is work, you can do in your own room's. Which is why there is lots of shitty strains, they are just rehashed from other original breeders works, by 'breeders' who have none of the knowledge, none of the tools and just small room's. They are not running enough numbers, do not have the original genetic knowledge or facillities, to make improved selections so it is IMPOSSIBLE they are IMPROVING the herb's. Don't let them fool ya...
Great posts BT!
Cheers, HHF
littleflavio
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grew out a bag seed of pure land race sativa...no smell, not sticky either, no resins, no trichomes... no nothing just looked like a shity weed with a lot of stems and seeds, proably knock me before a whole bowl, smoked is reddiculously rough. grew it myself, smelled spicy mango, sticky to the touch, not so much resin and trichomes knocks me out with 2 puffs. the answer is a mix of genetics and how u grow it...a weed is a weed wither way it will do its job
Brick Top
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Some of what you said was somewhat like I have said many times, but of course yours came from an insiders viewpoint which makes it more valid. But I have said many times that if tomorrow roughly one quarter or more of the strains that exist today vanished nothing would really be lost, few if any would be without something they like because so many strains today are so very close to being the same that there would still be more than enough of the same basic thing left to satisfy everyone.
If some breeder isn't making a flat out knockoff they are working on something that is still so close to a half dozen different strains that there is no real worth to the buyers/growers for it to be made. But it will be made and it will be marketed and a nice picture or two will be used along with some slick sounding advertising copy will make it sound different and make it sell.
New strains that are truly unique and hold a true value are becoming more and more rare but every time you blink an eye another strain that is so close to being the the same thing as a hundred others is released and most are middle of the road at best.
Grow your own don't complain a lot of its marketing some good some bad find your keepers and spread the love to those that will respect it. trust me just like everything else there are plants sitting in closets all over this planet that are out of this world. I know I have been breeding for 3 years and I have gotten to come across some really nice landraces from Cambodia ,Laos and deep Mexico and a bunch of original stuff from The triangle and all over cali ..I remember when there was only like a few strains (Nl, skunk, afghan)I try to share with my friends as much as possible but my circle is to small and Im to paranoid to go to far. I respect those that do it for a living and have the courage to do so. I like trading better then selling personally although I do share clones with a co-op for a minimal price and to pay for some supplies. I try to make sure the strains are good but once people get them home who knows what goes on....