why the abundance of shitty strains?

theexpress

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thats why the best strains you can get are from the individual "seasoned farmer", not commercial growers.
It's like strawberries, anyone ever grown strawberries?
if you have you'll know that homegrown strawberries are 10 times better than store bought,
commercial guys care about resistance to mold, bugs, drought and so on, before they address potency.
I agree that a plant potency is limited by it's genetics, but you can grow the same strain with different methods and get a vastly different product, one of my best strains grown indoors under a 600w hps & a 400w MH smokes and looks so much different than the same one grown outside.
you could easily tell someone they are a different product, and they are. Although genetically identical.
indoors and outdoor grown strains of the same will always differ. indoors will always be greener and better looking, and outdoors is usually darker, leafier pot, it would be real real hard to duplicate the wattage, and wide spectrum the sun gives off.
 

fdd2blk

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we have inferior genetics because people keep posting about how hermy plants make great feminized seeds. :roll: :wall:
 

Polecat

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Why would a commecial weed farmer buy seeds. What he needs is a highly stable strain that produce highly stable seeds. He needs plants that are ready all at the same time and produce his seed for next years crop. Hybrids are the last thing he would want unless he bought his seeds every year.
 

Polecat

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If you grew 5000 plants and ended up with a ton of balm ass weed. By the time you harvested, sundried, and packaged it for its journey It seems to me you would have quality middes at best. Hell if I know.

I've never seen a mexican pot farm. I have seen a legal hemp farm and 1000 plants was just blocking the view of the farm.
 

NLNo5

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First off while marijuana has been cultivated for thousands of years it is not as if the plant is fully understood even today so it is not as if anyone could have been expected to breed ‘The Holy Grail’ at any time unless it was at least partially by luck/accident.

Then consider how when you breed you need a stable of genetics. For the thousands of years marijuana has been cultivated how long has there been any sort of organized distribution system for genetics from around the world? For most of the time period you talked about the most anyone could do it work with what grew wild regionally that they would have access too. Depending where someone lived in the world that could mean all sativa or all indica, and maybe only one or two strains within the size area someone might travel back then. That doesn’t give you a lot to work with when it comes to breeding.

It was asked why all the low-grade genetics? The answer is basically stupidity combined with budgetary constraints and greed.

The average grower of recreational strains is always looking for Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride and every flavor of the month strain that hits the marketplace catches the eye of that type of buyer. Some little clown shoe who never smoked anything better than Roadside Red purchases their first professionally created genetics, they have a little luck and their grow is at least fairly successful, they smoke it and it knocks their bubblebummer-socks off and then they post on sites like this how it’s the best strain in the entire world. Every other little clown shoe-bubblegummer who reads the message orders then orders the crap, is impressed and the word spreads how the mid-grade genetics are SPECTACULAR … when they are not. That’s the stupidity part.

The budgetary part is many growers cannot shell out large sums of money for top genetics so there is a marketplace for less expensive genetics and less expensive will always mean lower quality. But there are a lot of people who can only afford the lesser priced genetics so a new fresh supply of so-so genetics stream out yearly and the combination of the stupidity factor and the budgetary factor can combine for a lot of sales for differing reasons.

The greed part is on the part of some breeders. Some breeders will not release everything they create because all are not success stories but others will release everything they make. They attempt to market it well, give it a catch name, somewhat embellish how good it is and then sit back and let the stupidity and budgetary factors kick in and when that happens the dollars pour in. Some breeders would rather sit in the evening and look at their investment portfolio than a Cannabis Cup on the wall and those guys will flood the market with just about every single combination of genetics they can put together to keep the bucks flowing in regardless of most of it not being anything special.

Then there is a small segment of the market that only wants lower to mid-level genetics. They are ones that enjoy an easy going light buzz where they can fully function as they want to but with that little extra chipper feeling going on in the background. As difficult as it might be for some to believe, that is all that some people want from what they smoke. So there is a legitimate marketplace, small though it might be, for middle of the road genetics.

When it comes to what some med strain smokers say, take it with a grain of salt. In some cases what some say is true about quality but for some reason in some med growers/smokers a curious psychological phenomenon occurs where once they are legal and they have access to med strains, even if they are not really better they instantly become by far the best in the entire world. Why? Because that person can get it and most others cannot.

In other words, some embellish.

I have a friend who lives in Northern California who has a med card and he bragged up a storm about the worlds greatest strains were not only med strains but ones found in Cal. I did have to admit a few I have tried were very good, but not way better than other top genetics, and some he said were fantastic were not as good as things I smoked in the late 60’s and 70’s.

Some are very high quality, but others are not nearly what they are made out to be by some.

What I find curious is how med strains are expected to be Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride when they are not bred for recreational purposes and instead for medicinal purposes. If someone suffers pain or a eating disorder or something their brain does not need to be in Oz to get the type of relief they need.

If people breeding ‘medications’ believes that they have to put the patient in the ozone when they smoke it along with actually treating the patient’s medical problems then someone else needs to be breeding ‘medications.’
This post I must bump.

In short the proper evolution of Marijuana simply as a plant goes on in nature not in your closet. The proper evolution of Marijuana as a smokable substance goes on in the marketplace and follows the laws of supply, demand and a wide variety of consumer preferences.

Many people have smoked a few strains and few people have smoked many strains and few people really know what they are talking about when it comes to the connoisseurship of Marijuana. It's an art like wine tasting, you got to do it every day for your whole life, strain after strain worldwide before you even get a glimpse of what the killer shit really is.

Figure chances are if you hit anything on the all time top ten list its going to be pretty good. Chances are if the strain keeps coming back year after year there is a pretty damn good reason its been around for the last 20 years.

The quality of the weed will always be effected in some portion by genetics and in some portion by the horticulture process. How much weight the genetics will have on the quality of the smoke varies from strain to strain. No matter how you slice it, if you're a good farmer you love your plants.
 

theexpress

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we have inferior genetics because people keep posting about how hermy plants make great feminized seeds. :roll: :wall:

lol!!!!!!!!!! some of the best pot ive smoked had hermi phenos in it.......... wouldnt you agree with that fdd??? besides you can get rid of, or at the least greatly dilute that hermi trait..... its easy just takes time..... i think low potency is more a factor in shitty genetics then hermies.........
 

NLNo5

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WTF is genetics anyway. It's all about the dude who stuffed the bag with the weed in the first place. I can put stems and leaf from some shitty shwaggy plant grown in a rock pile or I can put some crystalline sensi in the bag. I tell you what if you get a bag of sweet sensi its most likely from somebody who loves you if you get the bag with the dirt its probably from somebody who just wants your money.

WTF does anybody know about genetics. Very few people are actually tracking the real genotypes of these seedbank seeds. I'd bet my left nut if you collected NL seeds from areas around the world and ran some genome tests on them you'd find they are all significantly different. Most people only know what they are told by the damn online seed bank.

When this shit goes legal then we're going to see some really nice scientific monitoring of the movement of MJ genetics, right now most of us don't know shit about MJ genetics.
 

trapper

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Why?my thought is because the fad is for 8 week indicas derived from using genetics of hyped internet breeders of the 90,s.Now every one and their dog is breeding everything to a genius,a c99 an Indiana bubblegum etc etc,people are too lazy to create anything when all they have to do is breed a name with a name and tell people that it is the dank of dank.No it aint,it is 8 week wow im stoned,just going to chill right here for the night.I know to many people who have never smoked great 60,s and 70,s imported sativas,they dont even know what it feels like.Not all but 90% of the people my sons age.If hype sells,why put in the work.I used to smoke some great sativas and put in 14 hours of sweat in the bush,now i smoke something and im couch locked.
 

theexpress

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Why?my thought is because the fad is for 8 week indicas derived from using genetics of hyped internet breeders of the 90,s.Now every one and their dog is breeding everything to a genius,a c99 an Indiana bubblegum etc etc,people are too lazy to create anything when all they have to do is breed a name with a name and tell people that it is the dank of dank.No it aint,it is 8 week wow im stoned,just going to chill right here for the night.I know to many people who have never smoked great 60,s and 70,s imported sativas,they dont even know what it feels like.Not all but 90% of the people my sons age.If hype sells,why put in the work.I used to smoke some great sativas and put in 14 hours of sweat in the bush,now i smoke something and im couch locked.

you can keep your schwagg "open structure" sativas of yesteryear.... i only smoke/grow/breed with/ the most potent stickey pungent smelling dense indica weed........... because aside from e.c.s.d. and ak47 i dont really dig sativas..... i agree with the post above you though on the fact that if you collected the same alledged strain from diffrent people from diffrent places it would differ from oneanother....UNLESS IT WAS THE REAL STRAIN LOL
 

tinyTURTLE

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lol @ distain for sativa strains.
i mean, to each thier own of course.
i just love em, though.
it's hard not to once you've seen a bunch of 12-14 foot plants in one place.
sure 11+ weeks is kinda long, and manicuring certainly isnt as fast and easy as with
your chunky indicas. but i love em anyway.
 

trapper

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you can keep your schwagg "open structure" sativas of yesteryear.... i only smoke/grow/breed with/ the most potent stickey pungent smelling dense indica weed........... because aside from e.c.s.d. and ak47 i dont really dig sativas..... i agree with the post above you though on the fact that if you collected the same alledged strain from diffrent people from diffrent places it would differ from oneanother....UNLESS IT WAS THE REAL STRAIN LOL
sorry to hear you only got schwag,you should of got some great hippy shit that travelled the communes from south america up to tefino island.then across the country,if that was scwagg man you must have some real fine shit.but i personally have seen what a lot of the 25 year olds are smoking today and i call it couch weed,but believe me my friend i have smoked african shit in 72 that would get you "high" for hours with out melting your balls to the couch,im not talking the 20 zip brick weed,or the shit sprayed by dea,im talking quality genetics,if you think they were just invented by sam skunkman,i cant help you their.now how many dealers sell anything that take longer then 56 days,i am impressed with a lot of breeders now staying away from all the afghan producers and putting out more of a balanced product.also i wouldnt call the old Thia stick schwagg,maybe noow that sam skunkman and gypsy probably gave them hash plant seeds to quicken time and increase yield it may be different,but maybe you can tell me.
 

theexpress

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lol @ distain for sativa strains.
i mean, to each thier own of course.
i just love em, though.
it's hard not to once you've seen a bunch of 12-14 foot plants in one place.
sure 11+ weeks is kinda long, and manicuring certainly isnt as fast and easy as with
your chunky indicas. but i love em anyway.

most of the hazes, and south east asian tropical sativas people rave about flowers 16 weeks plus......... and to me the end product is not worth allt hat time, but to each there own
 

theexpress

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lol ive smoked nevilles haze rated at like 20% plus thc, and it didnt even get me nowere near has high or the kinda high i wanted from a mazar i sheriif strain that was rated at like 18% thc......... IS IT ME OR DOES EVERYONE OVER 40 LOVE SATIVAS LOL? i get you it takes you back to a better time huh?
 

HHF

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because aside from e.c.s.d. and ak47 i dont really dig sativas.
Also sounds like you would not know one either, both those are Indica dom's man.

Cheers, HHF
 

colonuggs

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Also sounds like you would not know one either, both those are Indica dom's man.

Cheers, HHF


HAHAHAHA.... HHF you need to attend a weed college.:)

ECSD is not indica dome....... East Coast Sour Diesel is a Sativa .... shit it tripples in size when you cut the lights.....AK47 is also a Sativa

kushes are indica dome


Weeds potency has more than doubled since the 60s when my dad and mom used to smoke it.....panama red, columbian gold, tye stick...all killer strains from the hippy generation.


The THC content of weed from that time period to now has doubled.....its allways getting better
 

tingpoon

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yes i was able to get my hands on some legit panama which was really beautiful looking but high wise it is def old school potency.
u cant compare it to any of our contemporary strains, i'd agree everything is stronger but thats just because the plant species evolves itself as we utilize it, to keep the desired genetics going to the next generation. and nowadays we all just want to be really, really, really blazed.:bigjoint:
 

HHF

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HAHAHAHA.... HHF you need to attend a weed college.:)
lol, I'm sure they would love me there.

ECSD is not indica dome....... East Coast Sour Diesel is a Sativa .... shit it tripples in size when you cut the lights.....AK47 is also a Sativa
So if it stretches its a Sativa? I've got pure Indica Hashplants collected in Situ in Mazar and Chitrali areas. Traditional wide leaf Hashplants that will outgrow ESCD all the time, hitting over 4m outdoors easily. Does this make them Sativa dom's too?

I know why you think it friend, but, really, it ain't what I would call a Sativa, to me these are still Indica dominants. Cloudy highs, low tolerance, very low ceilings and not really psychedelic at all. But, each to his own.

kushes are indica dome
Thanks for that man. From college? :)

Weeds potency has more than doubled since the 60s when my dad and mom used to smoke it.....panama red, columbian gold, tye stick...all killer strains from the hippy generation.
Nah, THC content has, potency definitely hasn't. Those 'KILLER' strains your talking about are legends still 40 years later and more right? ain't one of them that was imported to the Northern American market above 12% THC. Most around 8%.

THC is very easy to select for right? shiny plants. No brainer.

THC on its own will barely get you high. Yo need accessory cannabinoids, the right aromatics and terpenoids for the utmost potency. All the stuff you cannot see.

The THC content of weed from that time period to now has doubled.....its allways getting better
Your right there, it has shot up massively, but these herbs are not 2 or 3 times more 'potent' than those Killer Hippy smokes you mentioned. You need as I stated above other things, learn how these work? it is good to know. Understand her...

Cheer's, HHF
 

mindphuk

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My whole point boils down to this:

In the wild anything that survives will grow. As long as it's not a factor in the plant being able to survive I would expect to find a large range of variables. After thousands of years I would expect only high thc plants only if the thc offered some survival benefit.

In the cultivation world the only things that grow are things that are purposely grown for specific reasons. This leads to continual improvements in the genetics leading to improvement of the cultivators final goal. I assume the final goal of anyone growing to to get the highest quality bud with the highest THC content with minimal resources. And also good traits to have, like being resistant to a number of stressors, etc. So outside of a very specific breeding purpose (ie develop a strain to treat nausea more effectively) we should already be inundated with high quality genetics just like we are with other plants (vegetables, fruits, trees, shrubs, grasses). And just like it wouldn't make any sense to go get inferior genetics to grow your vegetables when there are better seeds out there, it doesn't make any sense to grow weed that way. And there should be no shortage of availability to those good genetics (barring legal barriers of course).

So even if there is limited access to these good genetics in time they should replace the bad genetics. We have already had enough time to weed inferior genetics out and use only superior.
Do you think this is limited to weed? There are some incredible and expensive strains of roses and there are some shit looking ones that don't smell nice that are still sold even today. There are some great varieties of tomatoes and there are some pretty bland commercial ones as well. As Brick Top mentioned there are various reasons that mediocre strains have propagated. You also have to consider that the vast majority of marijuana in the world is not specially cultivated but pure landrace strains, some better than others.
 
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