Trudeau would start legalizing pot 'right away'

WHATFG

WHATFG

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They keep fighting to the bitter end...we win they appeal....they changed it bcause they don't want anyone to use it...they explicitly state that they do not support its use yet have been mandated by the courts to allow reasonable access...I can list you many legitimate reasons why LPs are not the reasonable access Harptler et al would,have you believe...cost is only one....
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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WHATFG said:
They keep fighting to the bitter end...we win they appeal....they changed it bcause they don't want anyone to use it...they explicitly state that they do not support its use yet have been mandated by the courts to allow reasonable access...I can list you many legitimate reasons why LPs are not the reasonable access Harptler et al would,have you believe...cost is only one....
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And that's the point.
It was made legal for med users and no matter what Harpco has done to try to interfere the courts don't side with them because it is legal for med users, easy to produce safely and they can't force you to buy it when it can be grown in a garden.

So applying that knowledge, what could they possibly enact as law to force anyone to purchase a legal product and not grow it.

Please, someone, anyone give a valid argument to support the position being yelled at me that it would be illegal to grow a legal product for personal consumption.
 
Jackal69

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Which means the govt decides who will grow.... ya ya court but who wants to go through that?
It's a business like pharma ... that has to have the govt fingers in it... they see money now and will never give that up
Like the gst
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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WHATFG said:
By regulation.
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Regulation--> we have that for booze and cigs, yet we are able to produce our own because it's legal to purchase, use and possess.





Jackal69 said:
Which means the govt decides who will grow.... ya ya court but who wants to go through that?
It's a business like pharma ... that has to have the govt fingers in it... they see money now and will never give that up
Like the gst
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Regulation in this scenario means the government regulates who can produce to sell, where they can sell, how it can be displayed and advertised and legal age required for purchase.

That's what regulation means and we already have a system implemented for booze and cigs. They see money in it because of tax revenues, and you're right, when they start collecting taxes on it there will no turning back. Once it's legal it will be legal.

You guys still haven't answered the question, why would it be illegal to grow a legal substance taking president and existing Canadian law into account.
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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Jackal69 said:
How in the corporate world can they make money hand over fist money if people can grow their own.... lmao
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Grocery stores sell an awful lot of produce than can be grown at home because people choose to buy it over growing.


Jackal69 said:
Weed ain't either what's the point
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That's what we're talking about.

When weed becomes legal for everyone to use and possess why would it be illegal to grow at home?
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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ricky1lung said:
Grocery stores sell an awful lot of produce than can be grown at home because people choose to buy it over growing.





That's what we're talking about.

When weed becomes legal for everyone to use and possess why would it be illegal to grow at home?
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I seriously don't understand what you don't get...jackal has given you examples -poppies and corporate greed....if legalization does not explicitly state that home growing is included, it will remain illegal to do so BY REGULATION...they will say look we've legalized it but we need to protect the fucking children from purchasing it in corner stores...if you're 25 and over ( no I don't know if that's a rule) you can purchase it from one of our fully licenced and secure producers...Why shouldn't I as an adult over 25 not be able to walk into a CC/dispensary and by a gram a time to find what I need? Why should I have to pay for a courier or expresspost shipping, when I could be allowed to walk down the street and choose what I want? Why shouldn't I be allowed to grow enough to cover my needs as a person with chronic pain? Well because the government sees the amount of money involved now and they think it's now alright to tax the shit out of me at every turn....think about the corporations that have the money to wait it out for the golden ticket? Did we ever decide what size a mom and pop operation was? Are there any LPs that size providing probably better mj than the big guys? No that's right those are MMAR grows....
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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WHATFG said:
I seriously don't understand what you don't get...jackal has given you examples -poppies and corporate greed....if legalization does not explicitly state that home growing is included, it will remain illegal to do so BY REGULATION...they will say look we've legalized it but we need to protect the fucking children from purchasing it in corner stores...if you're 25 and over ( no I don't know if that's a rule) you can purchase it from one of our fully licenced and secure producers...Why shouldn't I as an adult over 25 not be able to walk into a CC/dispensary and by a gram a time to find what I need? Why should I have to pay for a courier or expresspost shipping, when I could be allowed to walk down the street and choose what I want? Why shouldn't I be allowed to grow enough to cover my needs as a person with chronic pain? Well because the government sees the amount of money involved now and they think it's now alright to tax the shit out of me at every turn....think about the corporations that have the money to wait it out for the golden ticket? Did we ever decide what size a mom and pop operation was? Are there any LPs that size providing probably better mj than the big guys? No that's right those are MMAR grows....
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Jackal was wrong and completely misleading in his poppy reference. This is about rec legalization for marijuana not heroin.
We can have the discussion of home poppy grows should the legalization of heroin for recreational purposes ever comes up.
Completely different and has no place in this debate because heroin is not the subject of recreational legalization.

I see you get the regulation aspect by the legal age and where you could potentially purchase it and that they'd need to be licensed.

Just like booze or smokes!
So now we're getting somewhere with that at least.

Under legalization how could they tell you that you must purchase it from them when just like booze or smokes that are sold by licenced establishments you could grow it or produce it at home?

No one has answered that question or even came close yet.
What about heroin and poppies?
Come on, quit distracting and actually answer the question with a valid argument as it pertains to rec mj legalization.

Tell me and everyone else why home grows of a legal plant would be illegal. Simply stating poppies, tweed, evil lp's or cause regulation isn't a good enough answer. You need to provide a supporting argument.
 
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doingdishes

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is growing poppies legal? yes it is but when you extract the "milk" that's illegal. by your argument, that should be legal.
we can all argue until we are blue in the face. we won't know until they tell us.
until they roll out the platform about medical use, it's all speculation.
@ricky1lung please remember we are talking about a Government...common sense doesn't play a huge part in this...but dollars do.
they said they would legalize but nothing rolled out for medical patients or what that landscape looks like. you'd think if it was legal, there would be no problems but i go back to "we are talking about a Government"
 
ricky1lung

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doingdishes said:
is growing poppies legal? yes it is but when you extract the "milk" that's illegal. by your argument, that should be legal.
we can all argue until we are blue in the face. we won't know until they tell us.
until they roll out the platform about medical use, it's all speculation.
@ricky1lung please remember we are talking about a Government...common sense doesn't play a huge part in this...but dollars do.
they said they would legalize but nothing rolled out for medical patients or what that landscape looks like. you'd think if it was legal, there would be no problems but i go back to "we are talking about a Government"
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Growing opiate poppies in Canada can get you a stiff prison term. ;)

I'm willing to bet that there will be a vast difference between the rec and med licenses.

IMO In a legal market, there will be lp's who bid to supply the pharma and others who won't get approval or win contracts for what ever reason and will have to supply the rec scene.

In the med side, you may end up with concentrates than can only be ingested in ways that are non carcinogenic like pills etc.

Med patients won't pay through the ying because either they grow their own, buy from the rec scene or prices will be kept low by the govs current system of regulating med prices in Canada.

My position about home grows in a legal market is based solely upon:
  • the current regulatory structure for booze and cigs and legality of production at home.
  • The Canadian courts who have already stated med patients have the right to grow at home even though it's not yet legal to everyone and is only legal for med patients.
  • Making weed legal makes the plant no different than any other legal vegetation in any Canadian gardens.
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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Booze and smokes are sold in corner stores...mj will not be sold in corner stores because it can't be..hmmmm...what was that word that JT used....hmmm...REGULATED enough to protect again, the children of this nation...camman ricky really?
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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ricky1lung said:
Growing opiate poppies in Canada can get you a stiff prison term. ;)

I'm willing to bet that there will be a vast difference between the rec and med licenses.

IMO In a legal market, there will be lp's who bid to supply the pharma and others who won't get approval or win contracts for what ever reason and will have to supply the rec scene.

Med patients won't pay through the ying because either they grow their own, buy from the rec scene or prices will be kept low by the govs current system of regulating med prices in Canada.

My position about home grows in a legal market is based solely upon:
  • the current regulatory structure for booze and cigs and legality of production at home.
  • The Canadian courts who have already stated med patients have the right to grow at home even though it's not yet legal to everyone and is only legal for med patients.
  • Making weed legal makes the plant no different than any other legal vegetation in any Canadian gardens.
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The courts have only allowed home grows to some patients and purposely excluded an entire small city of patients from growing in order to allow the fledgling new system to get up off the ground....how long have you been coming around here?? think again on the its like every other plant as well...
 
doingdishes

doingdishes

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ricky1lung said:
Growing opiate poppies in Canada can get you a stiff prison term. ;)

I'm willing to bet that there will be a vast difference between the rec and med licenses.

IMO In a legal market, there will be lp's who bid to supply the pharma and others who won't get approval or win contracts for what ever reason and will have to supply the rec scene.

In the med side, you may end up with concentrates than can only be ingested in ways that are non carcinogenic like pills etc.

Med patients won't pay through the ying because either they grow their own, buy from the rec scene or prices will be kept low by the govs current system of regulating med prices in Canada.

My position about home grows in a legal market is based solely upon:
  • the current regulatory structure for booze and cigs and legality of production at home.
  • The Canadian courts who have already stated med patients have the right to grow at home even though it's not yet legal to everyone and is only legal for med patients.
  • Making weed legal makes the plant no different than any other legal vegetation in any Canadian gardens.
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the thing you have mentioned is that we keep winning in court....we lot our growing rights and we are still going to court over this topic. see the injunction thread or google the Allard trial.
you keep mentioning the "legal" market as the one that will save us but i look at Washington because i have tried it-and the prices are nuts...$20+ a gram. the government will have to let us grow before we can weigh in.
we can speculate all we want but until they sign the papers, it's all just words and thoughts.
i hope you are right and we can grow away. that day will be glorious for all patients.
 
LeeLong

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Isn't that Trudeau a big traitor that is pretty much lying about pot to actually make big bucks on the fake "refugee" business? Theres got to be another pot friendly politician up there besides "traitor trudeau" as he is called by many. I would be watching for a trick...
 
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