The Treadmill of Atheism

Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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How Debates Used To (And Do) Work

Atheists and Christians like to go into a Google hangout with 9 other people, shit talk and talk over each other, then later call that a "Debate". I would like to let everyone know, that is an argument. Nothing more.

In the 60s, Malcolm X would go out on stages in from of other Muslims and he would talk about the difference between white and black people in the 60s. And it started a lot of problems, because there were a lot of racists, so what did they do? They found someone to debate Malcolm and they put him on PBS with a moderator.

THAT is a debate. Not where one person decides they want to stomp on another person, so they find some people to fund them arguing some asshole on stage. Debates are meant to be like "Let's figure out whose right, because some of us aren't sure" THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.
 
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Finshaggy said:
How Debates Used To (And Do) Work

Atheists and Christians like to go into a Google hangout with 9 other people, shit talk and talk over each other, then later call that a "Debate". I would like to let everyone know, that is an argument. Nothing more.

In the 60s, Malcolm X would go out on stages in from of other Muslims and he would talk about the difference between white and black people in the 60s. And it started a lot of problems, because there were a lot of racists, so what did they do? They found someone to debate Malcolm and they put him on PBS with a moderator.

THAT is a debate. Not where one person decides they want to stomp on another person, so they find some people to fund them arguing some asshole on stage. Debates are meant to be like "Let's figure out whose right, because some of us aren't sure" THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.
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:o Finny, that, by itself, is actually not a bad post at all... it's even worse though, besides missing the point of a debate, people have a hard time determining the validity of their arguments and become less and less susceptible to reason, which makes a debate pointless, like discussing HPS vs LED with LED fanboys, or discussing religion with religious folks.
 
Finshaggy

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How Debates Used To (And Do) Work pt 2

Over 2,300 years ago (around 300-400 BC) Rome was at war with Carthage (in Africa). The way we usually think about history, we think that these two nations must have not really known each other and they must have been after resources. Not true.

Scipio (leader of the Roman forces) and Hannibal (leader of the Carthaginian forces) met to have a debate after the war. Remember, this is 2,300+ years ago, and these guys were able to do this.

They met somewhere in the middle and they literally debated. Scipio asked Hannibal, "Who is the greatest general in history". Hannibal said "Alexander of Macedonia" and Scipio agreed. Then Scipio asked who the second greatest was, Hannibal said "Pyyrhus of Epirus" because boldness is what qualified a general for Hannibal. Then Scipio asked Hannibal who he named third, and he named himself., because he crossed the Alps faster than anyone, surprised the Roman army and had killed a large portion of the Roman army before putting Italy under Martial Law where he was basically a Batman king, saving people and living in mansions.

Scipio asked where Hannibal would have ranked himself if he had not been beaten by Scipio, he said "In that case I should have put myself before Alexander". And Scipio felt good about that because he beat someone who claims to be the superior of Alexander.

I am not saying this is the best debate or the best outcome, but it's a real debate. An Atheists going in to "argue" with a Creationist, is not a debate. That is an Atheist arguing with a Creationist. You need a more specific topic, and usually a question. Then some form of demonstration, by hand or by words.
 
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A Question to everyone about Cenk Uyger

TYT is awesome. There is hardly anything else Live on Youtube, so its a good show. But does anyone else feel like Cenk is more of a Liberal because he enjoys the "Ludeness" of America, and not because he has any particularly Liberal leanings?

Every once in a while he makes a good point, but it's not anything he couldn't have gotten from maybe listening to radio shows and pod-casts, he isn't making his own arguments. I can literally make his main argument for you right now.

"Look at this chart" then he shows you the 60s to now, and says look there in the 70s, see how it changed? That comes from the Supreme Court Ruling of "Citizens United", now let's get the money out of politics and change this graph.

Cool. Why don't you go do some lectures after the show. Or at least hire other people to. And why don't you make some new arguments? I understand that all the other news outlets are just passing down things they heard on Twitter, but don't you claim to be better than them?
 
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Ways Laws Are Made: Common Law

We have all heard of the Civil Rights Movement, and we all know how this works. We just all haven't ever had it explained to us completely. So if you have never heard this before, here it is.

One way Laws are made is in court. When a judge or jury makes a decision it become the "Law of the Land". This is how segregation ended in schools. Brown VS The Board of Education, the judge made a ruling it was the law of the land.

If you had a wolf, and your town had never seen a wolf in public, you might get a ticket. If you go to court, whatever the judge decides is the new wolf law. This is common law.

And a city judge makes city law. A County Judge makes county law, a State Supreme Court Judge makes State law, and a Federal Supreme Court Judge makes Federal Law. And these are called "The Law of the Land" when people talk about them.
 
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Some mechanisms for evolution (And How Humans Could Evolve NOW)

There are women in Africa who don't get AIDS, as far as scientists can tell their DNA is scarred due to ancient AIDS outbreaks. This is 1 form of evolution via Epigenetics. This could happen on some scale with Ebola, could be a tribe could be the planet, who knows. But this is one mechanism for evolution and some Humans could be being pushed to evolve now.

DNA study

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/12/237

Case study

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/may/27/aids.features

Environmental Changes, different environments call for different traits. And people like to think of this kind of evolution as "An Organism Evolved with the Right Traits". But that is not how this works. When the Environment changes, it favors mutants. For example, the rabbits with the mutant gene to grow a layer of white fur during winter will get hunted less in the snow and all the other rabbits die, so they do not pass on the "flaw". In the past things would happen like floods, and there is a theory that Humans split from Chimps by crossing a river, because Chimps are not prone to swimming like Humans and Bonobos. And Bonobos are considered to be our closest Relative.

Intergenetic Hybrids.

The Tribes in Papau New Guinea have Denisovan DNA mixed with Homosapien DNA, meaning their genetic go further back than Neanderthals. If someone gets a Denisovan and Native American to fall in love, we will have some evolution starting.

The people in Papau are still living there today
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papuan_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmat_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korowai_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombai_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iatmul_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yali_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dani_people





New Predators can also change a species or genus. This is also something people like to think "The best animal evolves the best traits and wins" but that is wrong again. The thing that survives new predators is the right mutant. If you are a lizard and you live in a forest that has no leaves most of the year, then you are lucky if your the lizard that mutated to never be green. It's not something you would have thought was "better" if you were choosing at the womb, but it turns out you win.
 
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Modern Witch Trials In Texas and Across America

One Way Laws Are Made:

http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2014/10/ways-laws-are-made-common-law.html

How Marijuana Is A Defended Religious RIGHT In America:

http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-marijuana-is-defended-religious.html

A FEDERAL Judge Told These People Their THC Ministry Counts, and it was not created before 1975, so it does not even fall under the RFRA like mine and some other people's do:

http://www.thc-ministry.org/

http://www.4029tv.com/news/religious-defense-ok-in-marijuana-ministry-case-in-hawaii/21463680

About 2 years ago I also heard of someone in Texas who got arrested with their Hawaii Sacramental Bud with the labels on it and everything.

This is a WITCH HUNT. I do not know of very many people in the same situation and I have been talking about my case for years on the internet. If you are in the same situation, make a blog, make a Youtube channel, make whatever, and SHARE YOUR MINISTRY or Join Ours.
 
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The Nature of the Rogan Board

I thought the Marijuana websites (Roll it up mainly about a year ago) had the most trolls, with people printing out pictures of my family, cumming on it, and then posting pictures of that online, but when I came to the Rogan Board I realized where all the trolls come FROM.

It is ridiculousness. The first time I came there, I tried to post about Topics Joe talks about on the show, like history and DMT and Marijuana Science. And I literally got called all kinds of names (like an addict), even some of the same names that people made up for me at the Marijuana boards (Like "Shin Faggy, to make fun of Fin Shaggy) even though I used a different name on the Rogan Boards. So I know that some of the Marijuana trolls basically live on the Rogan Board, which is another thing I will get to in a minute.

Anyways, I would post about stuff they talk about on the show, and they would basically tell me "That's not the place for this" then they would flood me with pictures of chicks with dicks. I didn't really know what to do, so I looked up "Venus Statuettes" and posted naked cave woman carvings at them when they did it.

Then they banned me for 9 months, which was fine, I can get trolled on Marijuana websites. But about 10 months later I noticed the ban was up and I came back... And the same exact people were there trolling and hating on me for posting ABOUT THE JOE ROGAN PODCAST.

It's just ridiculous. I sincerely apologize to the Rogan Board for trying to add something to the website that people could actually look at and use one day.
 
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