The Treadmill of Atheism

Finshaggy

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I have now been watching the Atheist and Christian community (it is NOT an Atheist/Theist community, they only talk to Christians) and I just want to point something out.

Atheists don't like testing themselves. When someone like Bill Nye debates Ken Ham, they all talk like "Are we sure we should really validate Ken Ham like that?" but then when Bill Nye is not debating Ken Ham, Matt Dillahunty is debating Sye Ten and everyone else is debating G man. The way to prove these people are not worth validating is by proving them wrong, not by talking to them OVER AND OVER.

If anyone else has been watching, you have probably noticed that Atheism has not ever clearly beaten the Presup. I personally think ALL the Christian arguments fail, and I actually have rebuttals for most of them, but the Atheists have literally been on this SAME topic for almost a year. Can someone PLEASE just think of a better argument than "Well, maybe I'm in a Matrix, but that's ok" again, I don't think the Christians have good arguments, but the Atheists have failed here.

If someone like Bill Nye doesn't come and prove it wrong, it will literally have atheists yelling at their computers for eternity, then having chats afterwards to talk about how circular the eternal debate was.

If someone wants to beat the presup, all you have to do is appeal outside your own reason. Stop being so full of yourself, and accept that you are not using YOUR reasoning, but are building on the reasoning of your ancestors, using their reasoning AND your reasoning, and hearing the reasoning of other. I have literally been watching for almost a year, and no one has been able to do that.

When I first noticed the Atheist community on Youtube a few months ago, I thought they were honestly the more intelligent side. I saw Bill Nye debate Ken Ham, and I thought he completely destroyed him, no one ever talks about the biggest boats we have ever made. Why would no one else use that in an argument against Noah? The boats fall apart, period.

As I watched the debates, I continued to feel as if the Atheists were smarter. But when you watch 2 people like Max Mills and Nick Duncan debate, you can see that there are obviously still some smart people that believe in God (and in case atheists don't know, not all religions require a creator).

But then I noticed something. "Atheism" has simply attached itself to "science". They are not smarter, in fact, many of them are "Shit Slingers". they will literally just say things like "Any tradition from before Jesus was just there because they had no better answer for it", not realizing that Doctors today STILL say the Hippocratic oath. This made it clear to me that Atheism and Science are actually opposed to each other.

Atheists don't like History. If you were to talk to a family in Britain, I am pretty damn sure they would know about the Royal family and the history thereof, and if you went to Vietnam they would probably have a pretty good idea of their heritage.

But because these Atheists are in America (and I have noticed a lot from Australia), they have the mentality that "That is ancient history", having no idea that history is how we got here.

They can accept Cosmology, and think that because they accept that, somehow they are "Science". But Science is far bigger than the realms of the atheist argument. Which has currently devolved to shit slinging. Can someone at least mold their shit into a nice statuette before slinging the next steaming heap?
 

Padawanbater2

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I'm not sure where you get the idea that atheists hate history or science, but that's blatantly false, generally speaking. Reaching atheism requires one to understand both of those subjects because there is no other rational or logical way to get there.

History and science is what opened up my mind, I can positively attribute my atheism to understanding and having a strong grasp on both subjects than I ever did when I was a theist.
 

Finshaggy

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I'm not sure where you get the idea that atheists hate history or science, but that's blatantly false, generally speaking. Reaching atheism requires one to understand both of those subjects because there is no other rational or logical way to get there.

History and science is what opened up my mind, I can positively attribute my atheism to understanding and having a strong grasp on both subjects than I ever did when I was a theist.
Here is a PRIME example of the "Shit Slinging Brand Atheist"

I posted the "Treadmill of Atheism" to a bunch of atheist, including the Atheism group on Google Plus. And this morning I noticed basically a response video, though it is not labeled as such.


First I want to say that I think everyone should have the right to get married and I don't see what religion has to do with Marriage. That being said. This guy brings up the Gay rights court cases that have been happening recently, and says that in the past the only reason they didn't legalize gay marriage was "tradition". That is him shitting in his hand. Then he proceeds to sling that shit, by generalizing ALL religions as "Tradition" and all tradition as "Bad".

The supreme court justices that stalled gay marriage were largely Catholic, but Atheists don't actually know enough about this stuff to see the difference.

And secondly, WESTERN MEDICINE IS A TRADITION, having a court system is tradition, etc. Atheists need to stop acting like all traditions are bad. PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
 

Padawanbater2

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Here is a PRIME example of the "Shit Slinging Brand Atheist"

I posted the "Treadmill of Atheism" to a bunch of atheist, including the Atheism group on Google Plus. And this morning I noticed basically a response video, though it is not labeled as such.


First I want to say that I think everyone should have the right to get married and I don't see what religion has to do with Marriage. That being said. This guy brings up the Gay rights court cases that have been happening recently, and says that in the past the only reason they didn't legalize gay marriage was "tradition". That is him shitting in his hand. Then he proceeds to sling that shit, by generalizing ALL religions as "Tradition" and all tradition as "Bad".

The supreme court justices that stalled gay marriage were largely Catholic, but Atheists don't actually know enough about this stuff to see the difference.

And secondly, WESTERN MEDICINE IS A TRADITION, having a court system is tradition, etc. Atheists need to stop acting like all traditions are bad. PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank you.
You just generalized all atheists

His point is that we shouldn't keep bad policy just because of tradition. He isn't saying "all tradition is bad"
 

Finshaggy

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Why Atheism is Failing

Yesterday I posted an argument for the Atheists, as I said, I think the Christians are the ones with the worst arguments here, but the Atheists should be able to smack them down no problem. So since I want to see all of this move forward, I am going to present you with some arguments to beat the Christians.

Presup

1. The same as yesterday, appeal outside your own reasoning by appealing to the reasoning of other people and the work of people before you.

2. Pick an absolute. Like Lobsters, ask the Atheist "Why are Lobsters Illegal to over fish in Florida, why did God make it that way" They will most likely respond confused, then you tell them that it is for conservation purposes to make sure lobsters exist in the future. Then you proceed from there asking them why God did different things with Lobsters, and at this point, they are no longer in the presup argument.

GO WIN NOW.

Pascal's Wager

This one only needs 1.

1. The Christians say "Well, what if God is real, it's better to believe than to not, just in case. And if it's not true, I believed something for no reason and who cares?" the way you respond to this is by saying that is the religions of Abraham one day aren't the most popular, people could hunt down all the circumcised people and kill them, and you don't want to put your descendants through that, so might as well not be Abrahamic.

GO WIN NOW.

Evolution

1. The Christian says that "no one has ever seen change over time, and we will not live long enough to ourselves". SHOW THEM FOSSILS. Look up "Whale Wolf Transition Fossil" and I am sure you will find something you can point to and show "This used to live on land, now it is in the water." Then show them the Fossil Record of Humans and things that we passed down like fire and dream herbs, so that they can see that these people existed in a timeline and not at the same time.

2. The Christians say "The Bible has a table of lineage, and it tells me that from Adam to Jesus there were only enough Generations for approximately 6,000 years". All the Atheist has to do is look up "Syro-Palestinian Archaeology" and show them things like Jericho 10,000 vs 6,000 BC and Bethlehem and all that.

3. The Christian says "There is no mechanism for Evolution". Ask them how they would prepare to go to Alaska, then ask them how they would prepare to go to Mexico. Then ask them if they think they had kids that grew up in there, if they think that kid might have kids with people there. Then ask if they think those kids will be different from the other kids there, and if they are different from the kids in the original country, There is your mechanism.

GO WIN NOW.

Cosmological

You guys seem to have forgotten this one, but you always had an argument for it. When they say "The universe had a beginning, therefor a creator" you say "What if the Flying Spaghetti Monster?". That is WHY he was invented.
 

Finshaggy

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You just generalized all atheists

His point is that we shouldn't keep bad policy just because of tradition. He isn't saying "all tradition is bad"
LOL

I am not generalizing, I am talking about "Shit Slinging Atheists" it is a specific segment that doesn't take the time to learn about what they are saying. If you lump yourself with him that is your own problem.

I am not saying he is wrong about gay marriage, but all in one video he says that the tradition of the court was a great one, and the tradition of the church is a bad one. Then says ALL tradition is bad, not realizing the court is a tradition. He is just being an idiot.

And I would ask again, if dropping traditions feels so great, why do we still practice medicine in America? We should get right on ending that.
 

Padawanbater2

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LOL

I am not generalizing, I am talking about "Shit Slinging Atheists" it is a specific segment that doesn't take the time to learn about what they are saying. If you lump yourself with him that is your own problem.

I am not saying he is wrong about gay marriage, but all in one video he says that the tradition of the court was a great one, and the tradition of the church is a bad one. Then says ALL tradition is bad, not realizing the court is a tradition. He is just being an idiot.

And I would ask again, if dropping traditions feels so great, why do we still practice medicine in America? We should get right on ending that.
That's not what he said. He said we shouldn't base policy solely on tradition just because that's the way its always been, then gave examples of how tradition has been bad in the past.

Medicine is not tradition, it's science. Tradition would be outdated medical practices that we don't use anymore, like amputation without proper sterilization, because it was based on bad policy, not science.

I'm really not sure what your actual gripe is about any of this
 

Finshaggy

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That's not what he said. He said we shouldn't base policy solely on tradition just because that's the way its always been, then gave examples of how tradition has been bad in the past.

Medicine is not tradition, it's science. Tradition would be outdated medical practices that we don't use anymore, like amputation without proper sterilization, because it was based on bad policy, not science.

I'm really not sure what your actual gripe is about any of this
So can you explain what he meant when he said "If you think Pluto is a planet you are a traditionalist, and you are holding yourself back" paraphrased, but that is what he said. As if even the tradition of calling pluto a planet is harmful.
 

Finshaggy

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And I am not sure what your gripe is. I am not griping, I am just Chronicling the Atheist community that I have been watching. This is what a segment of them are doing, and I am just transcribing.
 

Padawanbater2

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So can you explain what he meant when he said "If you think Pluto is a planet you are a traditionalist, and you are holding yourself back" paraphrased, but that is what he said. As if even the tradition of calling pluto a planet is harmful.
He used Pluto as an example of why some people were irrationally upset about its demotion from the solar system; tradition

He's supporting equality in marriage, what is the institution of marriage if not a tradition?
 

Padawanbater2

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And I am not sure what your gripe is. I am not griping, I am just Chronicling the Atheist community that I have been watching. This is what a segment of them are doing, and I am just transcribing.
It just seems like you're getting upset about something someone shouldn't be getting upset about
 

Finshaggy

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He used Pluto as an example of why some people were irrationally upset about its demotion from the solar system; tradition

He's supporting equality in marriage, what is the institution of marriage if not a tradition?
He didn't use it as an arbitrary example though, he used it as a REAL EXAMPLE. And said that if you believe Pluto is a planet, you are as bad as the people who ban gay marriage.

Your confirmation bias here is too funny.
 

Finshaggy

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It just seems like you're getting upset about something someone shouldn't be getting upset about
I apologize if I am coming off as "upset" I am nothing of the sort. I am simply stating things that I have noticed.

The atheist community has reached a stagnant point and I want it to move forward.
 

Padawanbater2

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I apologize if I am coming off as "upset" I am nothing of the sort. I am simply stating things that I have noticed.

The atheist community has reached a stagnant point and I want it to move forward.
And by what metrics are you using to measure that exactly?

From where I'm sitting, the atheist movement is gaining more ground everyday

There are more atheists and agnostics in the world right now than at any other point in history, and the number is only growing
 

Finshaggy

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And by what metrics are you using to measure that exactly?

From where I'm sitting, the atheist movement is gaining more ground everyday

There are more atheists and agnostics in the world right now than at any other point in history, and the number is only growing
Debate.

I have been literally watching them, I even wanted to debate them. Then I realized that they don't know what they are talking about.

I am talking about like "The Atheist Experience" and "American Atheist". I have been watching them pretty closely, and Matt Dillahunty is just kinda holding the whole thing up on his belly, he was using his arms, but the debate with Sye Ten made him tired.
 

Padawanbater2

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Debate.

I have been literally watching them, I even wanted to debate them. Then I realized that they don't know what they are talking about.

I am talking about like "The Atheist Experience" and "American Atheist". I have been watching them pretty closely, and Matt Dillahunty is just kinda holding the whole thing up on his belly, he was using his arms, but the debate with Sye Ten made him tired.
I'd be glad to debate with you, I've been an atheist for about a decade

Dude, Dillahunty absolutely crushed Ten in that debate, it was a goddamn bloodbath!
 

Finshaggy

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I'd be glad to debate with you, I've been an atheist for about a decade

Dude, Dillahunty absolutely crushed Ten in that debate, it was a goddamn bloodbath!
I am not saying Sye Ten won the debate, but I have listened to all the Atheists talking live on Youtube, and they know that they did not "Absolutely Crush" him. All Matt did was "Deal with the Presup" and get caught in a circle. If you forgot that, please watch the debate again. And I am not on Sye Ten's side here, I don't think he won either, he just did the presup and got Matt in the circle.
 

Finshaggy

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If you have a Youtube channel I will debate, but I am using mine for sharing facts now, not debating with a group that calls themselves factual and never proves anything.
 

Padawanbater2

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I am not saying Sye Ten won the debate, but I have listened to all the Atheists talking live on Youtube, and they know that they did not "Absolutely Crush" him. All Matt did was "Deal with the Presup" and get caught in a circle. If you forgot that, please watch the debate again. And I am not on Sye Ten's side here, I don't think he won either, he just did the presup and got Matt in the circle.
Isn't that like an hour long debate?

When does what you're referring to happen?
 
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