The Official House and Garden Thread

[LoudBlunts]

Were you referring to me? If so, I realize that I don't "need" Roots Excelurator, and my clones will do fine without it - that being said, I imagine that they'll root faster and make my system more efficient with it, so I don't mind spending the money as long as there's a sufficient ROI to justify said expenditure.

Plants don't "need" a 1000 watt light, House and Garden Nutrients, CO2 enrichment, or many of the other things that I provide them with, but it makes my system more efficient, so I go with it.

Everybody's got what works for them; good luck to you in your grow.

i am speaking in general, i never directly speak to anyone unless im quoting you directly or someone ask me a question.....but if the shoe fits???

have a nice day!

 

[LoudBlunts]

I do have air stones in the res. Do you not use them? My average res temp is 72. Is that too high?

that is up to you.


i run no air pumps. air pumps cause wild pH and EC. hella fluctuation. it can also inject airborne spores and pathogens into the res no bueno

i use mechanical force and waterfall with fast flowing water to create my DO.

i try to keep my res @ 65F or less.

Dissolved Oxygen is relative to temps. So it doesnt matter if you have a 2hp air pump on your res....or if you pouring 30mL of 50% h2o2 in your res.....it wont matter. You know why? your res temps are @ 72F. The warmer water gets, the quicker it saturates. So at 72F res temperature you can only get maximum 8 mg/L aka ppm or LESS into 72F water.

colder water can dissolve the gas (o2) more.

If the water becomes too warm, even if 100% saturated, O2 levels may be suboptimal for many species of life

In other words, oxygen can be present in the water, but at too low a concentration to sustain life


After that comes anaerobic bacteria (the bad stuff) when you have warm water, it creates a nice breeding ground. Anaerboic bacteria (the bad stuff) doesnt like air much. nor cold temps. Pythium aka Root Rot begins to thrive and bam.... then this is when people will start using h2o2.... which will kill them. but not all by itself. it is only a bandaid.

this is why i always said, roots like cold water and high DO levels, not warm water and h2o2

anything over 68F in hydro is subpar in my not so humble opinion. as the reason we do hydro is for the increase water supplements and bucoo crazy roots to take advantage, we must control it.

then we wont need pathogen control

i dont even use it. dont rinse my res out between res changes. none of that extra shit. i have one of the cleanest running res i've ever saw

 

[LoudBlunts]

Were you referring to me? If so, I realize that I don't "need" Roots Excelurator, and my clones will do fine without it - that being said, I imagine that they'll root faster and make my system more efficient with it, so I don't mind spending the money as long as there's a sufficient ROI to justify said expenditure.

Plants don't "need" a 1000 watt light, House and Garden Nutrients, CO2 enrichment, or many of the other things that I provide them with, but it makes my system more efficient, so I go with it.

Everybody's got what works for them; good luck to you in your grow.

also by the way.... you need to read a little bit more.

if you notice, nobody is talking about your Roots Excellator, im talking about using h2o2.


i am a heavy advocate of the Roots Excellator and the whole House & Garden line, but i guess if you read, you woulda known that too huh?


thank you, but try again?

 

[bigbrew]

I would argue in favor of airstones in a DWC setup. Other methods aside, no airstone in DWC = Dead Plant

 

[LoudBlunts]

all im saying is, it doesnt matter how much air u pump into your reservoir... if your temps arent in check...you can only pump so much air into the water

 

[Bob Smith]

also by the way.... you need to read a little bit more.

if you notice, nobody is talking about your Roots Excellator, im talking about using h2o2.


i am a heavy advocate of the Roots Excellator and the whole House & Garden line, but i guess if you read, you woulda known that too huh?


thank you, but try again?

Sorry, I'll try to read better next time.

Have a good day and good luck to you in your grow.

 

[KnowledgeSeeker]

that is up to you.

i run no air pumps. air pumps cause wild pH and EC. hella fluctuation. it can also inject airborne spores and pathogens into the res no bueno

i use mechanical force and waterfall with fast flowing water to create my DO.

Thx for the info. Can you elaborate on this? I have a 55 gal drum. Would putting a pump in it that pumped water to the top of the drum (above the fill line) and through a screen of some sort accomplish the desired effect?

i try to keep my res @ 65F or less.

How do you keep your res cold? Do you use a chiller? I have a 55 gallon res. Any idea what size chiller would work to keep my temps down?

 

[bigbrew]

all im saying is, it doesnt matter how much air u pump into your reservoir... if your temps arent in check...you can only pump so much air into the water

Agreed. But the airstone is critical in DWC. The plant simply will die without it.

 

[SmokeyMcChokey]

i agree. i try to keep my grows uniform

i may be lucky but i disagree... i have run 2 strains(tho thats not much) every time and been nearly no burn and no def's at all. i use GH flora nova but dont really care for it and am looking for a new nute company although the need for R/O water turns me off severely i try to use distilled but i cant trust myself to say i would only use it...

 

[LoudBlunts]

Thx for the info. Can you elaborate on this? I have a 55 gal drum. Would putting a pump in it that pumped water to the top of the drum (above the fill line) and through a screen of some sort accomplish the desired effect?



How do you keep your res cold? Do you use a chiller? I have a 55 gallon res. Any idea what size chiller would work to keep my temps down?

Aeroponics & NFT, as well as the aero/nft hybrids already have this incorporated in its natural process of how the system works.

In aeroponics, there really is no need for airstones as the water is already aerated and even more when pushed through the sprayers/misters.

NFT the nature of nutrient film technique is fast flowing water...well at least that is the way to get the best sweet spot in that type of system

Combine both and you have your definition for aero/nft hybrids


You know how some people who grow hydro (even in dwc) who put a powerhead pump or another pump in the reservoir with it hooked up to anything? this is to keep the solution moving. also can be noted as mechanical force. when its sucked through the pump, its getting some form of aeration.

my waterfall effect came into play with the addition of a chiller. i raised my return from my chiller to the res up higher than water level to create waterfall, which creates aeration (something about surface tension, blah blah blah)

yes i use a chiller. i think a 1/4hp will be decent for your 55gallons

just my humble opinion

 

[jdizzy]

Before I got chillers, I would use three to four frozen 2 liter bottles each day for a 55 gal res.Never drops below 65 that way. Works well, but kind of a pain to lug them around.

 

[LoudBlunts]

i may be lucky but i disagree... i have run 2 strains(tho thats not much) every time and been nearly no burn and no def's at all. i use GH flora nova but dont really care for it and am looking for a new nute company although the need for R/O water turns me off severely i try to use distilled but i cant trust myself to say i would only use it...

maybe/consider yourself lucky?

maybe the two plants that you grow together like the same nutrient ratio?

 

[KnowledgeSeeker]

my waterfall effect came into play with the addition of a chiller. i raised my return from my chiller to the res up higher than water level to create waterfall, which creates aeration (something about surface tension, blah blah blah)

yes i use a chiller. i think a 1/4hp will be decent for your 55gallons

just my humble opinion

Thanks LB. Your humble opinion is very valuable to me. I don't have the resources right now for chiller but it is now on my wishlist.

 

[LoudBlunts]

Thanks LB. Your humble opinion is very valuable to me. I don't have the resources right now for chiller but it is now on my wishlist.

not a problem brother. i enjoy helping. dont hesitate to ask. i like exercising the brain.

like a previous user mentioned...you can freeze water bottles...

i had to do that for a period of time, but that shit started pissing me off and it got tedious...so i pressed the fuckit button


hope everything works out in your favor!

 

[KnowledgeSeeker]

...so i pressed the fuckit button

I love that saying. We'll see how long I can deal with it or how soon I free up some cash...

 

[Mcgician]

I love that saying. We'll see how long I can deal with it or how soon I free up some cash...

Aren't you growing in rockwool cubes or slabs? While a slightly lower res temp does hold more DO in it, which is a desirable trait, the thing that will most affect the temperature absorbtion rate is the overall temperature of your grow room. Rockwool holds a lot of water, and after even just 15-20 minutes, the ambient temperature of the air will raise the temperature of your growing medium anyway. You would have to flood your tables/trays, extremely frequently in order to keep the entire medium at 65* for any length of time. If you do that though, then you risk overwatering your plants, which will give you a host of other problems. IMO, the cost of the chiller, and the cost of running it, don't measure out in results unless you're doing aeroponics, or nft style setups.

 

[LoudBlunts]

freeze some 2L bottles

it wont hurt

 

[LoudBlunts]

Aren't you growing in rockwool cubes or slabs? While a slightly lower res temp does hold more DO in it, which is a desirable trait, the thing that will most affect the temperature absorbtion rate is the overall temperature of your grow room. Rockwool holds a lot of water, and after even just 15-20 minutes, the ambient temperature of the air will raise the temperature of your growing medium anyway. You would have to flood your tables/trays, extremely frequently in order to keep the entire medium at 65* for any length of time. If you do that though, then you risk overwatering your plants, which will give you a host of other problems. IMO, the cost of the chiller, and the cost of running it, don't measure out in results unless you're doing aeroponics, or nft style setups.

correct!!

ebb & flow and drip type systems have more of a crutch in hydro, because of the medium requirement... the temperature of the water isnt as crucial.

Oxygen in mediums are based upon overwatering and underwater. If the medium is constantly soaked you have little to no oxygen in your medium. As it dries...this is when it get 'airy' perse.


however, any standing water can get attacked by cooties, just keep it covered and in a cool place and you are fine.

 

[LoudBlunts]

i agree with mcgician if you are ebb & flowing.... i dont think it would be worth the benefit of putting a chiller on the water, unless it sits at 80-90F all day long.

and even still you can just change your water more often

 

[purrrrple]

Hey LB im gonna start a new thread called "coli flowers?". Please come over and gimme a hand on this one im gonna need it. I think youll enjoy it if i can ever get it right.