removing fan leaves in flower

MichiganMedGrower

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Raw young flower and leaf juice has some great research science backing it, give it a look .
Finally something for you defoliators, Juice it bruh sorry for derail. Will send you a PM kite MMG
I have read some about juicing. I have illness in my colon that may benefit from it. So now I actually have a reason to defoliate? Nooooooo!
 

Budley Doright

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Good vibes come from good people, thanks for the stimuli.

Made some concentrated coconut oil (1.5 ozs cured flowers to a cup) for the old lday,
She gets eagle talons when she knits, and trips to the bathroom cut into her " lightouts" time..

We just got thc oil cleared here in PA, glad there are guys out there like you taking cAre of Michigan Moms
My friend just made a batch using my shake and I guess it's quite good when used in cookies :). I'm picking up some today for another friend who has cancer of the stomach, not sure if it'll help :(.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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You can make butter easy. We have used 2 ounces of close bud trim and loose bud to 1 pound of butter.

Then bake whatever you want with it.

It can calm my colon problems for hours and leave me relaxed and happy.
 

Airwalker16

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It's not like I strip ALL leaves man. But when you scrog like so many do, it's practically the same thing. We're removing a ton of the growth INCLUDING branches cut off with snippers. Staight off the main stem. It recovers just fine were only leaving the very tiptops of our plants branches and growth on it. These guys are just utilizing open space and removing everything so light penetrates. It's ALL ABOUT LIGHT. the shit below the canopy, NEVER gets any bulk. LARF.
 

Dumme

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It's not like I strip ALL leaves man. But when you scrog like so many do, it's practically the same thing. We're removing a ton of the growth INCLUDING branches cut off with snippers. Staight off the main stem. It recovers just fine were only leaving the very tiptops of our plants branches and growth on it. These guys are just utilizing open space and removing everything so light penetrates. It's ALL ABOUT LIGHT. the shit below the canopy, NEVER gets any bulk. LARF.
Schwazzing is absolutely NOTHING like Scrogging or Pruning or even Lollipoping.
Are you sure you know what "ThreeALight" does?
 

MichiganMedGrower

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It's not like I strip ALL leaves man. But when you scrog like so many do, it's practically the same thing. We're removing a ton of the growth INCLUDING branches cut off with snippers. Staight off the main stem. It recovers just fine were only leaving the very tiptops of our plants branches and growth on it. These guys are just utilizing open space and removing everything so light penetrates. It's ALL ABOUT LIGHT. the shit below the canopy, NEVER gets any bulk. LARF.
No one is saying it won't recover with the right conditions. And I have stated before that I know pruning has its place but leaves don't block buds from growing. I get very little "larf" anywhere on a good plant. Under the thickest canopy I can grow.

More leaves more bud. Scrog works great but you still lose buds from down below. The plant does not make more than it was when it was whole.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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It can't give you more weight. Plants don't transfer up the missing bud. If you cut it. You lose it. The buds may get bigger on top but you can't recover the lost weight.

Scrog is to maximize a 2 dimensional canopy. Fill every square inch with bud. Works great.

But my garden has another foot of bud at the lowers. And it mostly gets nice and dense. And is equally or more potent. I look at cubic space. Way less work than a scrog. And it adds at least an ounce per plant and I am always improving.
 

Dumme

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It can't give you more weight. Plants don't transfer up the missing bud. If you cut it. You lose it. The buds may get bigger on top but you can't recover the lost weight.

Scrog is to maximize a 2 dimensional canopy. Fill every square inch with bud. Works great.

But my garden has another foot of bud at the lowers. And it mostly gets nice and dense. And is equally or more potent. I look at cubic space. Way less work than a scrog. And it adds at least an ounce per plant and I am always improving.
Bullshit. Cleaning up shady larf gives me more weight, better quality and I even save time trimming it. Win-win-win!
I think there's a mistake interpretation going on.

Lollipopping in Veg, "potentially", won't have a gain or loss effect on the plant, as the plant has time to recover and grow more leaves. What it would effect is yield/growth vs Speed of metabolism. This is also because personal growing style. @ttystikk did mentioned Vertical grow method.

Generally speaking, any defoliation (in Veg) will "slow" growth, including training. But this doesn't apply to yield size, just speed.

In Flower it a different story. Hormones change within the plant telling it to stop growth and instead reproduce. Growth never truely stop, as leaves are still growing within the new growth in the Colas.

At this point "any" defoliation will hinder yield. Remember, the leaf's only job is to make G3P, and sucrose.

There's a cell in the phloem called a "Source Cell". After making this Carbohydrates, the Chloroplasts throws it sugars in this cell until Osmosis (vacuum/pressure) carry it down the phloem and into the "Sink Cell" in the roots, for storage and later use.

If you cut "any" leaf, the sucrose production becomes less, and less food to build more plant matter (bud).

Phloem works by transporting carbohydrates by low pressure. Leaves that have the most pressure don't needs these carbs. Buds/Colas, on the other hand, are, because they're new growth. If you cut the lower branches, you are in fact removing "low pressure points" (the popcorn buds), but at a cost.

By removing buds and leaves together, you're removing lower pressure points and carbohydrate factories.

You could argue that since the lower leaves aren't as developed, the lower buds are stealing sugars from the upper growth.

Either way, removing bud sites(new growth) from the "under growth" (popcorn), will increase pressure and the effect of osmosis throughout the plant and potentially increase top bud development. At the same time, removing leaves with never increase osmosis or the production of Carbohydrates.

Defoliation is not a viability means of increasing yield. Selectively pruning buds, may increase top bud size.
 
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Michael Huntherz

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There is very little empirical data on this, in regards to Cannabis. There is a fair bit of data about tomato pruning and improving yields, which may be applicable, or may not. This is a good link: http://horttech.ashspublications.org/content/22/1/44.full

In my limited experience: Training and pruning during veg up through the second week, maybe third, of flower, has resulted in a similar yield of much higher quality buds with a fraction of the trimming. It may have cost me up to a week of time, all told. So yes, a bit slower, but totally worth it in my opinion.

Intentionally exposing the cola sites directly to light and air by pruning a lot of the "inner" fan leaves and almost every flower sites below the canopy has made a huge difference in how I will approach all future grows. I'd never go back now.

We are all offering anecdotal experiences. Some of us have more experience than others, some have more education, and some of us are more observant, but none of us really have rigorous data to back up our claims. Ego gratification and (conscious or not) self-deception may also play major roles, as with all things.

My little spiders are listening to the data breeze for whispers and hints of future facts which, for now, are indistinguishable from sorcery. I think I must be tired...
 
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