removing fan leaves in flower

Dumme said:

Well, it would appear you plant won't grow anymore, as you've removed it's ability to do so.

Essentially, you're curing you buds on the plant. With no leaves, no growth, and no chlorophyll. No chlorophyll means curing.

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Dude it's obvious what's going on here. He has a YouTube channel... It would be really boring making videos of plants just growing. No dude, he Has to fuck with em.. Make videos of himself fucking with his plants, cutting leaves off an shit, noobs think that shit is cool so they watch. You can't be a master grower and just let the plant grow it's own buds... Nah.

It seems as if there's too many "master growers" with ideas that contradict each other.
The science I use is not Cannabis based, but universally accepted as plant fact, by all botanical science.

I wish it was true, I wish there was some magical way to get "more" out of a plant, by taking advice from some of the pseudoscience posted in these forums.

Has anyone addressed specific timing and technique? All I read about is yes vs no, but nothing about how or when.

I clean up my stems in veg and again around week 3 in bloom. It IS defoliation to a degree, but it acts to direct the plant's production towards the end buds. I get big buds this way and I do not if I leave the larf in place.

I don't attack the plant at week 7, but I do another round of leaf removal and clean up. There are plenty of leaves on it when I'm done.

When a leaf turns yellow or is over 50% damaged I remove it because it's more sink than source and isn't helping the plant anymore.

In fact all of these scenarios are defoliation. What other techniques do people find helpful?

Dumme said:

It seems as if there's too many "master growers" with ideas that contradict each other.
The science I use is not Cannabis based, but universally accepted as plant fact, by all botanical science.

I wish it was true, I wish there was some magical way to get "more" out of a plant, by taking advice from some of the pseudoscience posted in these forums.

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Do you use any of the techniques I just outlined above? Why or why not?

ttystikk said:

Has anyone addressed specific timing and technique? All I read about is yes vs no, but nothing about how or when.

I clean up my stems in veg and again around week 3 in bloom. It IS defoliation to a degree, but it acts to direct the plant's production towards the end buds. I get big buds this way and I do not if I leave the larf in place.

I don't attack the plant at week 7, but I do another round of leaf removal and clean up. There are plenty of leaves on it when I'm done.

When a leaf turns yellow or is over 50% damaged I remove it because it's more sink than source and isn't helping the plant anymore.

In fact all of these scenarios are defoliation. What other techniques do people find helpful?

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Well i think there is a difference between pruning and defoliation to a degree. I will prune small sucker shoots that may have a leaf or 2.

ttystikk said:

Do you use any of the techniques I just outlined above? Why or why not?

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Yes, infact I do.

I do, but not to get bigger buds, as I'm actually losing yield.
For me, I lollipop because I just don't give a shit about "more". I used to grow full plants and throw away all the popcorn. Now I just cut it off, and feed my worms with it. I don't sell or share, it's all just for me. I have health problems and hate to trim, as it's all done by hand. Lollipopping is a great way to avoid all that BS.

In my personal garden, I only grow 6 plants (per state law), and that's all I need for my use.

Resinhound said:

Well i think there is a difference between pruning and defoliation to a degree. I will prune small sucker shoots that may have a leaf or 2.

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Me too.

So now we're talking about a matter of kind and degree, but smart growers DO defoliate. Judiciously.

I go a step further and actively train the structure of my plants to efficiently fill in a large trellis. The techniques I use basically mirror those called espalier by the French, ways to get the most out of trees and vines, especially on flat surfaces or in production situations. How is this accommodated? Yet more defoliation!

Dumme said:

Yes, infact I do.

I do, but not to get bigger buds, as I'm actually losing yield.
For me, I lollipop because I just don't give a shit about "more". I used to grow full plants and throw away all the popcorn. Now I just cut it off, and feed my worms with it. I don't sell or share, it's all just for me. I have health problems and hate to trim, as it's all done by hand. Lollipopping is a great way to avoid all that BS.

In my personal garden, I only grow 6 plants (per state law), and that's all I need for my use.

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Bigger buds are better because of less trimming, so that's a productivity bonus in its own right- an excellent point! This is why I clean things up as well.

ttystikk said:

Me too.

So now we're taking about a matter of kind and degree, but smart growers DO defoliate. Judiciously.

I go a step further and actively train the structure of my plants to efficiently fill in a large trellis. The techniques I use basically mirror those called espalier by the French, ways to get the most out of trees and vines, especially on flat surfaces or in production situations. How is this accommodated? Yet more defoliation!

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The conundrum.
Logically trying to come up with a reason why is difficult with so little information, but if I had to guess, I'd say, more Scrogging = longer Veg time. Longer Veg time = bigger root mass. Bigger root mass = more growth speed, probably higher metabolism and definitely more stored nutrients. Your not doing heavy defoliation, so G3P is still in production at a rate the plant can recover from the new growth's leaves (and because youre Scrogging while still in Veg).

Plants can handle selective pruning just fine but I use training and height under the light to get my branches to stretch where they need to be. I don't think it would be productive to cut the leaves of those branches off. Then they would not stack calyxes like I want.

I only ever end up with an ounce or so of close leaf trim and a few loose buds that honestly I chop up into the trim for edibles or hash or just smoke in a joint. They are potent too. I keep my plants low for good penetration.

Dumme said:

The conundrum.
Logically trying to come up with a reason why is difficult with so little information, but if I had to guess, I'd say, more Scrogging = longer Veg time. Longer Veg time = bigger root mass. Bigger root mass = more growth speed, probably higher metabolism and definitely more stored nutrients. Your not doing heavy defoliation, so G3P is still in production at a rate the plant can recover from the new growth's leaves (and because youre Scrogging while still in Veg).

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I do SCRoG, only I do it vertically. I'm developing the techniques to be able to reliably cover the 4' wide by 6' tall trellis panel.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Plants can handle selective pruning just fine but I use training and height under the light to get my branches to stretch where they need to be. I don't think it would be productive to cut the leaves of those branches off. Then they would not stack calyxes like I want.

I only ever end up with an ounce or so of close leaf trim and a few loose buds that honestly I chop up into the trim for edibles or hash or just smoke in a joint. They are potent too. I keep my plants low for good penetration.

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I made bho with fresh lower bud couple weeks ago, not the pro sub-zero method by a long shot. The resin was the color and consistency of sweeten condensed milk.
Give it a try, it was a soaring high for me.

ttystikk said:

Has anyone addressed specific timing and technique? All I read about is yes vs no, but nothing about how or when.

I clean up my stems in veg and again around week 3 in bloom. It IS defoliation to a degree, but it acts to direct the plant's production towards the end buds. I get big buds this way and I do not if I leave the larf in place.

I don't attack the plant at week 7, but I do another round of leaf removal and clean up. There are plenty of leaves on it when I'm done.

When a leaf turns yellow or is over 50% damaged I remove it because it's more sink than source and isn't helping the plant anymore.

In fact all of these scenarios are defoliation. What other techniques do people find helpful?

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Yes, this all started with someone mentioning "3 a light" garbage, as fact.

Airwalker16 said:

K hopefully this puts an end to this stupid debate. STRIP ALL leaves. It's a great practice.

http://www.threealight.com/project/three-a-light-commercial-3/

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Dumme said:

Yes, this all started with someone mentioning "3 a light" garbage, as fact.

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It's pretty black and white bruh. And that's with HPS. Cobs could yield you closer to 4 with the same ppfd.

Airwalker16 said:

It's pretty black and white bruh. And that's with HPS. Cobs could yield you closer to 4 with the same ppfd.

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What's black and white? "ThreeALight" is a garbage startup company that's banking on the ignorance of poor noob smucks. If the fact theyre charging $500 for a book, isn't enough to convince, "Schwazzing" is completely retarded, with absolutely no scientific value.


They got Redman to promote them by payin him 2% of the profits per book. Shit, I'd lie too for $10 US per book sold. He even laughed as he made a joke about it, in his plug.

I'm not saying that all of the info in the book is incorrect, but it's info that's free, so why pay $500US for it?

What you're buying is a well bound book in black with lots of HD pictures, and bedazzle you with how large their facilities are.


The only technique that's new is Schwazzing, which again, is garbage, with no scientific value behind it.


With the amout of money theyre investing in promoting, its obviously theyre gonna try and get you to buy their nutrient line. I haven't found a price on them, but I'm sure they'll be over priced, and way up there with AN's price range.

But, that's it. There's no "magic way" to grow cannabis, and that's the impression they are giving to their victims whom buy it.

ttystikk said:

Me too.

So now we're talking about a matter of kind and degree, but smart growers DO defoliate. Judiciously.

I go a step further and actively train the structure of my plants to efficiently fill in a large trellis. The techniques I use basically mirror those called espalier by the French, ways to get the most out of trees and vines, especially on flat surfaces or in production situations. How is this accommodated? Yet more defoliation!

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Well in my mind there is a big difference in pruning a sucker shoot and stripping all leaves and shoots 90% up the plant in flower, that's just ridiculous.

Resinhound said:

Well in my mind there is a big difference in pruning a sucker shoot and stripping all leaves and shoots 90% up the plant in flower, that's just ridiculous.

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It's really not ridiculous at all.

Sure is a funny way to grow a short flowering annual.

Airwalker16 said:

It's really not ridiculous at all.

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No it really is . Think about that 3 feet of bare stems that could be solid bud instead.

Airwalker16 said:

It's really not ridiculous at all.

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moronic is a better fit