Psychedelics & Human Advancement

Finshaggy

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Humans would not be what they are without Psychedelics. If someone has never had their brains firing everything off (like Psychedelics do) then they have very little experience with their own brain's capacity.

1 Specific example is the discovery of the shape of DNA. Francis Crick may not have been using LSD when he theorized the double helix, but he was an advocate for LSD use and did take LSD.

2 more examples is 5-HT receptors, mapped by David E. Nichols. And the developments in Structure Activity Relationship research conducted by Alexander (Sasha) Shulgin. Sasha invented various Molecules, discovered their structures, and created extensive records on the molecules and their effects.

Mushrooms have been used by various Cultures, and it has been proven that Mushrooms were used by the pre-Christian Semitic peoples. This was first proposed in the book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" but in that book the Anthropologist also went on to say that Jesus was a mushroom, not a person. The book has since been edited by other Anthropologists and rereleased with the actual known facts and artifacts, which show that the pre-Christians did use Mushrooms. Psychedelic Mushrooms contain either 4-OH-DMT or Muscimol. In Ancient Greece they would go into a basement type structure and take mushrooms, and emerge from the structure (like a Mushroom from the ground) enlightened. JP Morgan funded an expedition by Watson, and that expedition brought the knowledge of mushrooms to the United States from Mexican tribes.

A lot of people think that in the 50s and 60s that aliens must have come, because that is when there were various technological advancements (Microchip advancements, etc). But while no one has ever proven that any aliens ever did anything, there are plenty of examples of people who were taking LSD, including various reknowned scientists (as it was 100% legal to buy, sell, trade and give away during that time).

Native Americans (North and South) use and have used Peyote and San Pedro for thousands of years and have made various observations, and created various things. Records from Jamestown (the first Colony in America) speak of 2 story houses and stone walls built by Native tribes.

The Hindu Soma is what Gods drink, it is thought to either be a Psychedelic Mushroom or a plant that contains DMT.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
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1 Specific example is the discovery of the shape of DNA. Francis Crick may not have been using LSD when he theorized the double helix, but he was an advocate for LSD use and did take LSD.
So how does this logically advance the idea? I see you saying "The double helix is an idea that came from using psychedelics, even though the discoverer wasn't using psychedelics." The bit about advocacy is a non sequitur. The rest strikes me as you supplying the contradiction to your central thesis.

Answer with care if at all; the meme cannon is locked&loaded.
 

Finshaggy

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So how does this logically advance the idea? I see you saying "The double helix is an idea that came from using psychedelics, even though the discoverer wasn't using psychedelics." The bit about advocacy is a non sequitur. The rest strikes me as you supplying the contradiction to your central thesis.

Answer with care if at all; the meme cannon is locked&loaded.
My point is that you don't necessarily have great ideas while using Psychedelics, they just open your brain. So the non sequitur is the time between taking a psychedelic and having an idea.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
My point is that you don't necessarily have great ideas while using Psychedelics, they just open your brain. So the non sequitur is the time between taking a psychedelic and having an idea.
The trouble is that your example does not illustrate the point but actually controverts it. I'm suggesting you inspect and repair the broken logic. I don't hold much hope of that happening, but I am half drunk and all bored.
 

Finshaggy

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The trouble is that your example does not illustrate the point but actually controverts it. I'm suggesting you inspect and repair the broken logic. I don't hold much hope of that happening, but I am half drunk and all bored.
No, the trouble you are having is because you are ignoring the point (that psychedelics open the brain and allow you to use it better) or confusing it with taking psychedelics and having great ideas during the experience.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
No, the trouble you are having is because you are ignoring the point (that psychedelics open the brain and allow you to use it better) or confusing it with taking psychedelics and having great ideas during the experience.
You are doing nothing to support the point, despite your customary wall of text. Oh well at this point I have no more guilt. ~clicking sound~

 

Finshaggy

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You are doing nothing to support the point, despite your customary wall of text. Oh well at this point I have no more guilt. ~clicking sound~

I supported the point with various Historic and Modern examples, it's not like I just said "Here's my point" in the first post, I gave supporting evidence. You have yet to successfully challenge any of it.
 

Finshaggy

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Lol. You THINK they're great ideas...until you come down. THAT's what I remember.
That's not what I'm saying.

When you are Hallucinating, and everyone sees the same Hallucination, or everyone thinks they are reading each others minds, that is not the part I am talking about. It's the rest of your life after that experience.
 

Finshaggy

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Ex: My brother died like 3 years ago, and a few days later I took like 200mg of 4-AcO-DMT, and it was way too much. But the next day I started reading a book about Hannibal Barca and I could understand why he did everything he did, and it has helped me understand other parts of history that I read about any time now.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I supported the point with various Historic and Modern examples, it's not like I just said "Here's my point" in the first post, I gave supporting evidence. You have yet to successfully challenge any of it.
What is most impressive about the above is that it is completely and obviously false. You declare the win even so. I don't think much of your deductive process, but I do salute your unsinkable spirit. It is not cowed, deflected or even appreciably slowed by such minutiae as truth and reason. I am not so perfectly free, still being somewhat chained to at least the appearance of thinking sht through. Perhaps it is a professional deformity that our shining youth will leave on the dustheap of Human Progress.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Ex: My brother died like 3 years ago, and a few days later I took like 200mg of 4-AcO-DMT, and it was way too much. But the next day I started reading a book about Hannibal Barca and I could understand why he did everything he did, and it has helped me understand other parts of history that I read about any time now.
After 200 (!) mg of 4-AcO ... I will suggest that you thought you were reading a book.
 

Finshaggy

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What is most impressive about the above is that it is completely and obviously false. You declare the win even so. I don't think much of your deductive process, but I do salute your unsinkable spirit. It is not cowed, deflected or even appreciably slowed by such minutiae as truth and reason. I am not so perfectly free, still being somewhat chained to at least the appearance of thinking sht through. Perhaps it is a professional deformity that our shining youth will leave on the dustheap of Human Progress.
Saying "You are wrong and stupid" is not challenging my point, or the Historical examples.
That is Ad Hominem.
 

Finshaggy

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After 200 (!) mg of 4-AcO ... I will suggest that you thought you were reading a book.
The next day. See, it's like you skim through what I say and act like you can then make a valid comment. You are not even replying to what I said, you made up your own scenario and replied to it.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Saying "You are wrong and stupid" is not challenging my point, or the Historical examples.
That isn't what I did, and it isn't what you did. Posting your verbose screeds and simply holding your breath and saying "I did NOT I did NOT" isn't how one argues reasoned points, but you are secure in thinking that it is. Thus I won't waste REAL thought on you. In fact, time to improve the thread a bit.

 

curious2garden

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So how does this logically advance the idea? I see you saying "The double helix is an idea that came from using psychedelics, even though the discoverer wasn't using psychedelics." The bit about advocacy is a non sequitur. The rest strikes me as you supplying the contradiction to your central thesis.

Answer with care if at all; the meme cannon is locked&loaded.
Careful playing with the tar baby! Remember last time and the clippers of shame
 

Finshaggy

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That isn't what I did, and it isn't what you did. Posting your verbose screeds and simply holding your breath and saying "I did NOT I did NOT" isn't how one argues reasoned points, but you are secure in thinking that it is. Thus I won't waste REAL thought on you. In fact, time to improve the thread a bit.

So are you just here to troll or are you actually ever going to refute something I have said, rather than stating your opinion of me.

I think you are just still mad about when I taught people to make Polarized Isomerized hash, and you all started saying "We already make that" and I was like "Then why didn't you ever show anyone how?"
 
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