I can have 6 flowering or 12 veg in cali no matter size.
Pound Per Plant
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it kinda is time. but I wanna do 6 pounds 6 plants 6 months is my estimated wait time. Is that more than enough if I do everything right? and I wanna run soil, either super soil or not. I just don't know if I'm any good at feeding and regiments and such. I'm growing 4 outdoors with some flours for supplemental lighting in super soil and they look really good. but all I do is water.
so you're saying it's possible? if done right, of course. 1 pound per plant just ss and water?
ttystikk
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...or, we just grow more big ones on a perpetual schedule, thereby eliminating this perceived disadvantage.
ttystikk
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I've been growing vertically for years and I still don't get the secret codes...
Rhizosphere
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i harvest about 3 pounds per plant in open soil outdoors starting seeds last two weeks of February and ending the first two weeks of October
Dr. Who
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Hmm, 3 months is really REALLY pushing it......I've never ever tried to go for speed to the finish with any kind of set yield goal..
13 -14 is more realistic and that's short for seed to harvest too......Tttystik is really in the park with his veg times for the result..
Rhizosphere is doing 3x your goal and see his veg time? around 24-26 weeks.....8 week veg is spot on for your intent and that would be very very close.....maybe a week or 2 more strain dependent...
And yes,,,you can run SS water only and go start to finish.....The up potting is the trick....
This is an old school water only bloom soil formula. It's a variation of the old "Moonshine Mix"..
RareDankness use's this exact formula (He made the variation) when he soil runs..
I quote Dankness himself here
THE MOONSHINE MIX
"The original moonshine mix called for a full bag of Fox Farm Ocean Forest organic soil, a half bag of Fox Farm planting Mix with bat guano and a half of a bag of Fox Farm Light warrior with additional dry nutrients provided by Peace of Mind and a few added amendments.
The key to this mix was to master the wet/ dry cycle and learning the key times to transplant.
It was an expensive mix but it worked for almost every strain I've ever grown from after cloning to harvest.
A few tweaks and additional amendments and I've developed a mix that works just as well and allows for a few well timed feedings to increase growth rates.
This is the final mix for Flowering, mix and allow soil to sit for 7 days before transplanting. For best results: final transplant 8-10 days before flowering.
Pot size should be based on plant size. Less than a foot tall without many leads = small pot. Big 3 ft tall monster bush before flower = 7-10 gal bin.
1 bag of Fox Farm Happy Frog potting soil
½ bag Fox Farm Ocean Forest
½ bag of Black Gold organic soil
2 lbs of earth worm castings.
5 gallons of Chunky / Coarse perilite
1 cup greensand
1 cup dolomite lime (powder)
1 small coco fiber brick
2 cups Peace of Mind Fruit and Flower
For 90% of plants this mix will need only Ph'd (6.7) water through the entire flower cycle.
For the other 10% of heavy feeders I recommend feeding at week 3 through 5.
For this feeding per 5 gal of pre ph'd 7.0 water.
Week 3: 2 tblspn of Age Old Organics Bloom ½ oz Maxicrop seaweed 1oz of Mother Earth Tea bloom ½ oz B1 thrive alive bloom
Week 4 & 5 4 tblspn Age Old Organics Bloom 1 oz Maxicrop seaweed 2oz Mother Earth Tea Bloom 1/2 oz B1 thrive alive bloom When feeding make sure 20% of what you put in is peeing out the bottom. Start flushing 12-17 days before harvesting."
For you and your SS.....veg in a different more veg (lower P&K) soil and up pot when Dank said...I've had good success with vegging in 10's and jumping to 20's with the mix above when I ran them......I still up pot at 2 weeks to the flip.......it should make it fine....
Doc
13 -14 is more realistic and that's short for seed to harvest too......Tttystik is really in the park with his veg times for the result..
Rhizosphere is doing 3x your goal and see his veg time? around 24-26 weeks.....8 week veg is spot on for your intent and that would be very very close.....maybe a week or 2 more strain dependent...
And yes,,,you can run SS water only and go start to finish.....The up potting is the trick....
This is an old school water only bloom soil formula. It's a variation of the old "Moonshine Mix"..
RareDankness use's this exact formula (He made the variation) when he soil runs..
I quote Dankness himself here
THE MOONSHINE MIX
"The original moonshine mix called for a full bag of Fox Farm Ocean Forest organic soil, a half bag of Fox Farm planting Mix with bat guano and a half of a bag of Fox Farm Light warrior with additional dry nutrients provided by Peace of Mind and a few added amendments.
The key to this mix was to master the wet/ dry cycle and learning the key times to transplant.
It was an expensive mix but it worked for almost every strain I've ever grown from after cloning to harvest.
A few tweaks and additional amendments and I've developed a mix that works just as well and allows for a few well timed feedings to increase growth rates.
This is the final mix for Flowering, mix and allow soil to sit for 7 days before transplanting. For best results: final transplant 8-10 days before flowering.
Pot size should be based on plant size. Less than a foot tall without many leads = small pot. Big 3 ft tall monster bush before flower = 7-10 gal bin.
1 bag of Fox Farm Happy Frog potting soil
½ bag Fox Farm Ocean Forest
½ bag of Black Gold organic soil
2 lbs of earth worm castings.
5 gallons of Chunky / Coarse perilite
1 cup greensand
1 cup dolomite lime (powder)
1 small coco fiber brick
2 cups Peace of Mind Fruit and Flower
For 90% of plants this mix will need only Ph'd (6.7) water through the entire flower cycle.
For the other 10% of heavy feeders I recommend feeding at week 3 through 5.
For this feeding per 5 gal of pre ph'd 7.0 water.
Week 3: 2 tblspn of Age Old Organics Bloom ½ oz Maxicrop seaweed 1oz of Mother Earth Tea bloom ½ oz B1 thrive alive bloom
Week 4 & 5 4 tblspn Age Old Organics Bloom 1 oz Maxicrop seaweed 2oz Mother Earth Tea Bloom 1/2 oz B1 thrive alive bloom When feeding make sure 20% of what you put in is peeing out the bottom. Start flushing 12-17 days before harvesting."
For you and your SS.....veg in a different more veg (lower P&K) soil and up pot when Dank said...I've had good success with vegging in 10's and jumping to 20's with the mix above when I ran them......I still up pot at 2 weeks to the flip.......it should make it fine....
Doc
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so your saying have a veg soil and a bloom soil and follow the feed schedules you've posted?
I know it's not definite but that's a good place to start?
anyone else do this with less work.. I just want to get different ideas cause free time isn't something I get a lot of. trying to see if I would be able to manage the time I do have..
I know it's not definite but that's a good place to start?
anyone else do this with less work.. I just want to get different ideas cause free time isn't something I get a lot of. trying to see if I would be able to manage the time I do have..
SPLFreak808
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i have honestly never had the time and patience for a 1lb+ plant but if i can get consistent results with water, then you can too! Obviously strain & environment is important too. I pulled 6-7 ounces per afghan out of 10 gallon smart pots in 13 weeks veg+flower. Nothing but water/rain water,roots organic in the top half, and a super hot mix in the bottom half. I could have done better if i let the roots grow a bit more and didnt add as much alfalfa and oyster meal.
PKHydro
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Exactly how I have my lights set up. 5k for 4 plants, pulled almost 6.5lbs last crop, and that was with some issues due to it being summer, and hot as fuck.
Edit: In hydro, 5 week veg, 9 weeks flower.
tokalotapot
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i agree more clones for this or seeds. it is easier to hit the # mark with more numbers being smaller and more efficient nute/electricity/time anyway and say if that plant gets a problem then you are screwed. but with numbers you can pluck them and till have healthy plants. and as a timeline with advanced nutes i use i can say one plant= cured one pound 1000watt 8 week veg then with 740nm may take anywhere from 31-56 days for flower and you will over exceed the pound. or you cut 25 clones veg one maybe 2 weeks flower for a true cured 45-49% moisture rate and freeze the pound and yes i have many times fully finshes in under 40 days with y custom lights i made.
the thing with more seed or more clones is that I can have only 6 plants here in cali. But even if I could do a 1/2 pound planta and max my crop with my 6 how long would that take? cause I'd be satisfied with a 3lb crop every 3 months? what you guys think? very much possible?
1/2 POUND PLANTS, 6 PLANTS, HOW LONG?
1/2 POUND PLANTS, 6 PLANTS, HOW LONG?
kmog33
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First, the ca law for your standard rec comes as 6 mature plants OR 12 immature, not and.
Second, ca limit is 99 not 6, all you have to do is explain to your doctor why you need to be able to grow however many you feel you need, up to 99.
Third, if you've read the info about the 6 or 12 on your rec, you'd realize that this also comes with a weight restriction of 8oz(1/2lb). This means if you pull 6 pounds off of 6 plants you would be 5.5 lbs over your allotted weight legally, and cops are way more likely to go after you for having that than having more, smaller plants.
That being said, 600 watt hps 3-4 weeks veg, 8-10 flower with some good genetics and you can pull a pound per plant. Granted you'll still be at double your legal limit for quantity of dried product...
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skunkd0c
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lol, i don't see the o x o thing here at riu very often i remember mainly seeing this on the mns forum when heath started posting big vertical critical mass plants ,
others copied him, thats when i remember seeing the oxo code not sure if he started it or not
skunkd0c
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i like growing big plants too,...or, we just grow more big ones on a perpetual schedule, thereby eliminating this perceived disadvantage.
but more smaller plants if grown correctly will always out yield the larger ones (space/time)
as long as folk make good use of vertical space, growing lots of 10g plants in not what i am talking about
its possible to grow 3-4 oz sativa hybrids in 7 weeks from rooted clone with no veg time
the amount of space these plants will occupy will be more effective than the space taken up by larger plants
imo you can fill more space effectively with bud sites with organised single cola plants than you can with a single large plant covering the same space with lots of branches
if yield is the main concern in a given space and time frame
peace
ttystikk
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What I was discussing above was for a flatlander run, not vertical. Run two plants or two hundred, the maximum potential yield won't change by more than ten percent.
skunkd0c
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i could yield 60 oz indoor from 2 plants without too much effort,. it would take something like 15 weeks total time from rooted clone
it would take over 2 m2 to grow these plants this big
so for my situation, the yield would be similar with big plants and small ones space wise. but the time frame
the smaller plants can produce slightly more yield in the same space because of better organisation of only colas vs multi branches
but the smaller plants would win out overall because of the time factor , 2 complete harvest could be run with small plants in the same time frame as the larger ones
what i do think needs to also be considerd is the space taken up by mothers if used to supply all the extra plants needed to fill the space
even when this mother space is included, small plants will still produce more in the same space and in a faster time frame
yield is not the most important thing to me, and i like to keep things simple. growing lots of small plants is more work imo
growing fewer larger plants is easier for me
peace
ttystikk
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As soon as you go perpetual, the calculation of bigger plants needing more time goes out the window. The whole point of perpetual operations is to have plants ready for bloom every cycle- however big you may need them.