Pound Per Plant

bankcee said:

that sounds crazy.. 3 months, TOTAL, for a pound of heaven? if I could do that how. I want a pound per plant not pound per harvest.

but I'd you're serious tell me how. point me in the right direction..

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You can do it with the right sativa doms they have a huge stretch in flower, doing it consistently will require clones of the right exploding sativa hybrid
4 weeks veg and 8 weeks flower will produce a 1lb plant , i grew one recently that yielded 28 oz with 1 week under cfl rooting before 5 weeks veg (hid/mh)
and 8 weeks flower thats a total of 14 weeks from rooted clone to harvest

if you wanted to do it with a mostly indica plant you will most likely need to add another month (4 months) to the total grow time as they will need lots of veg time to get them large enough to produce 1lb
some plants/phenos may still find it hard to get this big , genetics is the key with these big plants imo

peace

ttystikk said:

As soon as you go perpetual, the calculation of bigger plants needing more time goes out the window. The whole point of perpetual operations is to have plants ready for bloom every cycle- however big you may need them.

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This makes no difference, the fact that large plants require veg time is their down fall

small sativa dom plants can be grown without any veg time, this means all the space can be filled with whatever number of plants it takes to fill the space
this harvest will be complete in 7 weeks, then the next lot of plants will be brought in to do the same (seven summers) was the name of the local hydro store lol

while the large plants are still vegging filling all the space getting ready to flower
a complete space full of bud could be harvested of smaller plants

peace

skunkd0c said:

This makes no difference, the fact that large plants require veg time is their down fall

small sativa dom plants can be grown without any veg time, this means all the space can be filled with whatever number of plants it takes to fill the space
this harvest will be complete in 7 weeks, then the next lot of plants will be brought in to do the same (seven summers) was the name of the local hydro store lol

while the large plants are still vegging filling all the space getting ready to flower
a complete space full of bud could be harvested of smaller plants

peace

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..the first time. And then after that, your veg well keep up with the needs of your bloom room, IF you can manage your veg properly, of course.

It's a timing thing. You're right the first time, but after that in a perpetual setup it doesn't matter anymore. If it did, it wouldn't be a perpetual setup, would it?

ttystikk said:

..the first time. And then after that, your veg well keep up with the needs of your bloom room, IF you can manage your veg properly, of course.

It's a timing thing. You're right the first time, but after that in a perpetual setup it doesn't matter anymore. If it did, it wouldn't be a perpetual setup, would it?

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i agree when you're doing all this yourself it becomes a big task and lots of work and all that mother space to account for to keep all those healthy clones
ready on time etc etc, and its very much strain/pheno dependent, i think sog grows that only grow like 10 gram 1ft plants are wasting space
sog needs to make use of vertical height plants should be 2-3 oz 3ft sativa hybrids for max yield/time/space maximizing the vertical height

that is why i grow fewer larger plants its less hassle for me than having 50 clones ready on time
i would need a few larger mothers for this, as you need good healthy fat clones to make sog all nice and even
cant have any weak clones making up the numbers or the canopy will be uneven, so only the best shoots for clones imo
i do not want to have to take 50 cuttings all the time either i find it tedious

but lots of folks do it with small plants commercially here in the UK and they just buy clones and have no worries about mothers or anything like that
commercial growers like this most likely don't even know how to take their own clones or even want to, they just flower

peace

The perpetual argument requires extra space to keep plants in veg so they can be put into the flower room at set intervals of the growers choosing
this exact same system can be employed with small plants

there is no advantage here

if a grower of big plants and also a grower of small plants were buying all their clones so neither had to worry about keeping mothers
the large plant grower will still have to donate space to "vegging" plants for however many weeks before they move to the flower area

the small plant grower can donate all of his space to flower all of the time , if all the space is filled with cola
which will be better organised than multi branches of large plants , more space will be filled with bud than leaves and branches
so smaller plants can fill the space better with bud vs leaf/branch, and they actually finish quicker
putting all this into practice is easier said than done

in this example small plants will always win, but i concede its much more work and not for me lol

bigger plants for me, smaller ones for the commercial minded grower who can buy clones whenever needed

peace

bankcee said:

it kinda is time. but I wanna do 6 pounds 6 plants 6 months is my estimated wait time. Is that more than enough if I do everything right? and I wanna run soil, either super soil or not. I just don't know if I'm any good at feeding and regiments and such. I'm growing 4 outdoors with some flours for supplemental lighting in super soil and they look really good. but all I do is water.

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if you're prepared to wait 6 months it will not be an issue, soil is not an issue either maybe a week or two more than hydro

with hydro, plants require less veg time to get bigger over all, they finish a bit faster

with the right genetics you can still grow a large soil plant with 5 weeks or so veg
give them large pots for lots of rooting
genetics will be the main factor on the time frame

1lb plants in soil are still possible in 15 weeks imo

if you're set on growing a particular plant/clone it could take much longer maybe 18-20 weeks, will depend on the vigour during veg, but mostly the stretch during flower

to get lb per plant some genetics you would need to veg them until they are 3ft tall they will stretch another 1-2 ft as they flower
it could take over 5 weeks in veg to get them 3ft tall depending on the genetics

with a fast producing pheno you only need to get them 1ft tall in veg and they will still end up 5ft tall during flower and give 1lb

skunkd0c said:

From seed 11-12 weeks total, 3 weeks veg 8-9 weeks flower 1lb is possible with the right genetics
From rooted clone 13-14 weeks total 5 weeks veg 8-9 weeks flower over 1lb is possible

peace

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I find just the opposite. I can get a plant to harvest, with more weight growing from clone than I can starting from seed.

Maybe it's just me/my setup.

st0wandgrow said:

I find just the opposite. I can get a plant to harvest, with more weight growing from clone than I can starting from seed.

Maybe it's just me/my setup.

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i find seeds are more vigorous than clones once out of the seedling stage
i do take cuttings during flower a fair bit, these plants tend to get big
maybe bigger than the seed plants do

skunkd0c said:

i find seeds are more vigorous than clones once out of the seedling stage

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But it's a genetic crapshoot with a seed. You could get something really vigorous, or a complete turd.

I can almost gurantee that if I took a cut today of one of my proven strains and stuck it in my aero cloner, and then germinated a seed today (assuming it's female), the clone will be quicker to the finish line and likely yield more.

Again, might just be my setup.

st0wandgrow said:

But it's a genetic crapshoot with a seed. You could get something really vigorous, or a complete turd..

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Yes that's the problem with seeds ^^, the OP wanted to know what the fastest method was to grow a 1lb plant
i would say seeds as they get bigger quicker but its only 2 weeks or so in it of veg time imo
and as you say not all plants will get big in this time frame, but selecting skunk/haze types helps

to do this reliably consistently it would of course require cuttings
he later went on to say he wants to grow six 6 lb plants too, but most folk will try to convince him to grow more little ones lol

peace

ttystikk said:

...or, we just grow more big ones on a perpetual schedule, thereby eliminating this perceived disadvantage.

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This would be and is the way I do it .....strain dependant i can pull 8 plants vegged 6weeks flower 8-9 every roughly 6 weeks I'm pulling a kilo....(2.2 pounds)that's working with 4 rooms though.....like I say strain dependant......I'm giving dinafems critical 2.0 a go next and if it's as good as they say it is the kilo will be WELL exceeded.........

st0wandgrow said:

But it's a genetic crapshoot with a seed. You could get something really vigorous, or a complete turd.

I can almost gurantee that if I took a cut today of one of my proven strains and stuck it in my aero cloner, and then germinated a seed today (assuming it's female), the clone will be quicker to the finish line and likely yield more.

Again, might just be my setup.

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Well all I can say to that is your aero cloner must work wonders.......a good genetically sewn seed can be moved under my m/h in a week......not so with my clones(10-16 )days before I see roots......yes I don't have an areo cloner......but......No way will a clone give roots before a seed....... never.....

Greenhouse;save said:

Well all I can say to that is your aero cloner must work wonders.......a good genetically sewn seed can be moved under my m/h in a week......not so with my clones(10-16 )days before I see roots......yes I don't have an areo cloner......but......No way will a clone give roots before a seed....... never.....

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A seedling might show roots quicker, but it's a spindly lil thing for weeks. I can have an 8" cut rooted and in veg in 10 days. I'm honestly shocked that I'm in the minority here. I thought it was a given that growing from clone was a quicker process.

10 days ffs .....I'm not disrespecting you in any way mate but my jiffys(plugs) r awash with roots in 5 days and probably after transplant(under m/h) well above the 8 inches you mention......but......I would be a liar if I said I wouldn't like something to move my clones on a bit quicker....ie an areo cloner.........I've been on the lookout for a decent one for a couple of months now......out of 10 how would you rate a middle of the road (aero cloner)????

what kind of soil setup would be the best for this kind of op?

where are the soil growers that do this regularly.. with or without clones? every 6 months twice a year in cali.

this is where I get... ehhh about it. so many people are in debate about which is quicker.

if someone wants to guide me through a soil operation so I, myself can trial and error this experiment of 1 pound per plant or 1/2 pound per plant.. I will do what you believe is the best route and forever be grateful hahahaha

Greenhouse;save said:

10 days ffs .....I'm not disrespecting you in any way mate but my jiffys(plugs) r awash with roots in 5 days and probably after transplant(under m/h) well above the 8 inches you mention......but......I would be a liar if I said I wouldn't like something to move my clones on a bit quicker....ie an areo cloner.........I've been on the lookout for a decent one for a couple of months now......out of 10 how would you rate a middle of the road (aero cloner)????

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I wouldn't pay more for a name brand. Heck, folks are making them out of rubbermaid bins. The water pump is obviously the most important factor.

It's strain dependent, but most of my clones have a good 6" root tail on them by day 10. The longest I leave any of my strains in the cloner would be 14 days.... and that's for fussy varities. The key is water temp. Keep the water cool (not cold) and you're golden. Some peeps run the pump on a timer as it tends to heat the water up, others use a frozen bottle of water. Myself, I drop a handful of ice cubes in the reservoir a couple times during the process.

Good idea to wash it well after each run too to keep things sterile.

Not to beat a dead horse, but my turnaround time growing from clone is much quicker than from seed. Maybe my germination method needs tweaking??

bankcee said:

this is where I get... ehhh about it. so many people are in debate about which is quicker.

if someone wants to guide me through a soil operation so I, myself can trial and error this experiment of 1 pound per plant or 1/2 pound per plant.. I will do what you believe is the best route and forever be grateful hahahaha

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I grow in soil. I've actually recently switched to coco coir.

What info are you looking for?

I can't speak for the cali guys .....but.....theirs plenty 'recipes kicking about Riu for a good stable soil that will meet your demands.......if you have no previous experience with ss then stick to a well known brand and learn about teas and all the key elements that make up a stable diet for your plant(mycos and so on)......the que is not to be greedy or expect the world........my way is expect the worse then anything else is a bonus......

bankcee said:

this is where I get... ehhh about it. so many people are in debate about which is quicker.

if someone wants to guide me through a soil operation so I, myself can trial and error this experiment of 1 pound per plant or 1/2 pound per plant.. I will do what you believe is the best route and forever be grateful hahahaha

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Listen mate soil is probably the easiest way of growing pick you soil plant your seed and watch in amazement as this seed or clone gives you the BEST smoke you will ever have had.......we are all here to help you along .....Yea their will be controversy because someone ALWAYS has a better way of doing things...........have you even bought anything yet...????