Pound Per Plant

st0wandgrow said:

A seedling might show roots quicker, but it's a spindly lil thing for weeks. I can have an 8" cut rooted and in veg in 10 days. I'm honestly shocked that I'm in the minority here. I thought it was a given that growing from clone was a quicker process.

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clones usually save me a couple weeks compared to seedlings. Even though most of my seedlings are at node #4/5 by the second week, the clones still beat the seeds into flower by two weeks lol

skunkd0c said:

Yes that's the problem with seeds ^^, the OP wanted to know what the fastest method was to grow a 1lb plant
i would say seeds as they get bigger quicker but its only 2 weeks or so in it of veg time imo
and as you say not all plants will get big in this time frame, but selecting skunk/haze types helps

to do this reliably consistently it would of course require cuttings
he later went on to say he wants to grow six 6 lb plants too, but most folk will try to convince him to grow more little ones lol

peace

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st0wandgrow said:

But it's a genetic crapshoot with a seed. You could get something really vigorous, or a complete turd.

I can almost gurantee that if I took a cut today of one of my proven strains and stuck it in my aero cloner, and then germinated a seed today (assuming it's female), the clone will be quicker to the finish line and likely yield more.

Again, might just be my setup.

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skunkd0c said:

i find seeds are more vigorous than clones once out of the seedling stage
i do take cuttings during flower a fair bit, these plants tend to get big
maybe bigger than the seed plants do

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st0wandgrow said:

I find just the opposite. I can get a plant to harvest, with more weight growing from clone than I can starting from seed.

Maybe it's just me/my setup.

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So some of this is on point. Basically whatever plant from seed you choose clone will always be more vigorous and grow more/faster than the close you take from it because clones need have a taproot, which is a seeds main lifeline. Clones only ever have secondary roots as a new taproot will never grow.

Clones are uniform, so if you have an awesome plant you clone, they will all grow similarly to the mother, but never will match it's vigor or yield capability.

As stated in what I quoted, seeds are a crapshoot, so not every seed/phenotype will be as vigorous or produce like the ones you choose to clone/keep around.

So in conclusion, you will know how a clone is going to produce/grow every time, but a clone will never match what it's from seed mother would in the same circumstance.




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st0wandgrow said:

but it's a spindly lil thing for weeks.

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i can root cuttings in 10-12 days with a regular propagator, they will then need about 4 weeks veg maybe 5 to produce a 1lb plant,
i don't think i could do it with only 3 weeks veg from clone, perhaps with some crazy haze cross

from seed, i can get the seeds under the light in 3 days from starting to germinate
21 days later they are 8 inch to 1ft tall , i would not describe seedlings as spindly as you describe your seedlings




if flowered now the right genetics can produce 1lb from seed from an 8 inch to 1ft seedling, i have done this a few times with seeds
with clones they need 5 weeks with all the genetics i have grown, perhaps some crazy haze strain could get this big with less veg time
but will most likely need more flower time

peace

Ok fair enuff.....but....RIGHT NOW I am looking at my seeds under my m/h 4-5 nodes (tight)while my clones r still in the in incubator under a 125watt cfl....defo need the aero cloner......make my life that little bit easier.....

no, I have four northern lights I planted last month on the 25. they sprouted different days but like all before the 3rd day. And they look good but I feel like they're not growing enough and that's a whole different story. They're in a SS right now amended with crab neem seed alfalfa kelp azomite fish bone plant tone and garden lime.

I'm having issues with bugs and see how I do against all my obstacles this round, but I definitely, wanna try to set a goal and do anything and everything to meet it. I know people say don't have high hopes that way you're happy with whatever you get.. but it'll never be enough and I hope I get at least a zip or two lol idk what to expect at this point from there size.

but here are some pics..


and the last one is where I'm battling caterpillars, fungus gnats, stink bugs, spider webs and small spiders, maybe thripes and aphids.. lmfao.. got diatomaceous earth yellow stickies blue stickies and spinosad a duster and some other goodies.

lol

this op is for my next grow. which idk when that'll be

All apart from the one your having a hard time with they look well.........by the way that's a SHITLOAD of bugs your dealing with.......put them In an enclosed place and fkn bomb them(forte fumar)this and some gnat off should do the job......worked for me but I'm Indoors......I got a sample of the Damascus powder how's that working out???

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All apart from the one your having a hard time with they look well.........by the way that's a SHITLOAD of bugs your dealing with.......put them In an enclosed place and fkn bomb them(forte fumar)this and some gnat off should do the job......worked for me but I'm Indoors......I got a sample of the Damascus powder how's that working out???

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I think it took care of my gnat whitefly and maybe aphid problem in like 3-4 days

kmog33 said:

So some of this is on point. Basically whatever plant from seed you choose clone will always be more vigorous and grow more/faster than the close you take from it because clones need have a taproot, which is a seeds main lifeline. Clones only ever have secondary roots as a new taproot will never grow.

Clones are uniform, so if you have an awesome plant you clone, they will all grow similarly to the mother, but never will match it's vigor or yield capability.

As stated in what I quoted, seeds are a crapshoot, so not every seed/phenotype will be as vigorous or produce like the ones you choose to clone/keep around.

So in conclusion, you will know how a clone is going to produce/grow every time, but a clone will never match what it's from seed mother would in the same circumstance.




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skunkd0c said:

i can root cuttings in 10-12 days with a regular propagator, they will then need about 4 weeks veg maybe 5 to produce a 1lb plant,
i don't think i could do it with only 3 weeks veg from clone, perhaps with some crazy haze cross

from seed, i can get the seeds under the light in 3 days from starting to germinate
21 days later they are 8 inch to 1ft tall , i would not describe seedlings as spindly as you describe your seedlings

if flowered now the right genetics can produce 1lb from seed from an 8 inch to 1ft seedling, i have done this a few times with seeds
with clones they need 5 weeks with all the genetics i have grown, perhaps some crazy haze strain could get this big with less veg time
but will most likely need more flower time

peace

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Well, I'm all ears fellas on any pointers you wanna throw out there. I've germinated apx 50 seeds in the last 6 months and not a single one of them were even close to the vigor that I get from my cuts/clones.

from clone 5 week veg 14 - 20 oz dry with training
from seed its going to take a while well started mine in jan / feb 5 weeks later sexed in may out door and still vegging today so 8 months to get a 11 foot tall by 12 feet wide plant that wlll land me 8 - 9 pounds dry

st0wandgrow said:

Well, I'm all ears fellas on any pointers you wanna throw out there. I've germinated apx 50 seeds in the last 6 months and not a single one of them were even close to the vigor that I get from my cuts/clones.

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What is it you think you're doing wrong with your seed plants, you're the only grower i have met that thinks clones are more vigorous than seed plants ?

skunkd0c said:

What is it you think you're doing wrong with your seed plants, you're the only grower i have met that thinks clones are more vigorous than seed plants ?

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I don't know?? I didn't think I was doing anything wrong.

We may have to start a thread and take a poll. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person that thinks you can get a clone done quicker than a plant grown from seed.

I have grown for some time now talking thousands of clones and and hundreds of seeds ,, you get that seeds grow faster then clone BS and TBH i cannot see it i i mean a mature plant clone from all my grows smokes a seed grown plant any day of the week in growth to me first 5 weeks of seeds life is like watching paint dry from rooted clone in 5 weeks i got a tree
So perhaps a rooted mature clone with all its mature hormones and sequence intact comparing it to a seedling baby that needs time to mature and learn about the birds n the bees like saying

its like saying who will impregnate a women a 16 year old kid or a 6 year old i think this could apply sorta the same for seeds vs clone

st0wandgrow said:

I don't know?? I didn't think I was doing anything wrong.

We may have to start a thread and take a poll. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person that thinks you can get a clone done quicker than a plant grown from seed.

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Start that poll dude i do not want you to feel isolated with your opinion, perhaps others will chime in who share your experiences

as far as i am aware it is common knowledge that seedlings are more vigorous than clones not just my experience
it will be interesting to see if others have experienced this differently like you have

peace

Darth Vapour said:

I have grown for some time now talking thousands of clones and and hundreds of seeds ,, you get that seeds grow faster then clone BS and TBH i cannot see it i i mean a mature plant clone from all my grows smokes a seed grown plant any day of the week in growth to me first 5 weeks of seeds life is like watching paint dry from rooted clone in 5 weeks i got a tree

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From seed with the right genetics at 5 weeks i would already be 2 weeks into flower with 6 or 7 weeks left to go, some plants will produce 1lb in this time

seeds only grow slowly for 2 weeks, after this they grow every day at a faster rate than clones
of the same size imo
when seed plants enter flower the stretch is more vigorous

clones require more time to build a root system they do not stretch as much
i will flower clones slightly bigger than i would flower seed plants for this reason

peace

so anyone where do I start?

bankcee said:

so anyone where do I start?

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maybe try and grow 1 1lb plant before you try six ?

Here is something to compare from seed to 10 weeks old and grown out door


then here is week 4 from clone indoor

About a pound.

skunkd0c said:

i can root cuttings in 10-12 days with a regular propagator, they will then need about 4 weeks veg maybe 5 to produce a 1lb plant,
i don't think i could do it with only 3 weeks veg from clone, perhaps with some crazy haze cross

from seed, i can get the seeds under the light in 3 days from starting to germinate
21 days later they are 8 inch to 1ft tall , i would not describe seedlings as spindly as you describe your seedlings

if flowered now the right genetics can produce 1lb from seed from an 8 inch to 1ft seedling, i have done this a few times with seeds
with clones they need 5 weeks with all the genetics i have grown, perhaps some crazy haze strain could get this big with less veg time
but will most likely need more flower time

peace

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How much training is going on when doing a 1 pound plant with 4 weeks veg?

well i think there will be many opinions had a lot of out door grows that i deleted as i got snagged by drugs crime unit recently so cleaned up PC ASAP but like i said this plant from seed is like almost 8 months old from germinating and 11 feet tall and 12 feet wide started @ 18watts then slowly bumped up power indoor then in may planted it out door was about 2 feet tall and a bush have had clones way bigger but again so many opinions i cannot post todays pictures as file size is to big