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Humanrob · Sep 29, 2016

This is only my second outdoor grow. I've taken two plants down so far that I only saw minimal issues with on the surface -- they had a few spots of PM and some minor bud rot showing. I am really glad I took them down, because as I wet trimmed and washed them, I found way more problems then I had realized were there. The upcoming weather is perfect mold growing weather, things would have gotten worse.

I'm going to try to make hash out of as much as possible, so that if its weaker, at least we're not smoking so much leaf to get to the THC. I'll also trim the smoking buds really tight. I have volume... just volumes of not ready for prime time bud. Next year will be better, learned more lessons than I can count this year.

slow drawl · Sep 29, 2016

WV: Jetson said:
Your girls are looking good, Mr. Dog! Semi-experienced here, second year outdoor. Of my two plants, only Cindy's Blue Cheese (also from OGS) is still standing. I have been taking down the bag seed plant for a couple/three weeks now - mostly racing against bud rot & a caterpillar here and there. What I noticed on the last round of trimming was how much darker purple the buds are compared to the earlier buds. These were all second tier buds, left on the plant after the first round of big bud cuts were made. So, for that plant, I wish I could have gone longer. The only buds left are pollinated flowers. What worries me most about this round of rain is that it is not going to warm up again after the precipitation is over. I don't see above the high 60's for the next 10 days. My plan at the moment is to trim the big branches tonight, as much as I can. We are away for the weekend so I'll be picking up where I left off when we get back. Here's what she looked like earlier this week

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Do I wish I could go longer? Sure. Would it be more potent? I would certainly assume so. I don't have a strong scope, so I haven't even looked at the trichomes. I've been finding small patches of rot here & there. I'm also not under cover. PM hasn't been an issue for me this year! I know I won't be able to get the whole plant down tonight, so I guess I'll be running my own experiment... Are you doing all the trimming FD, or have you wrangled a crew? You have a lot of snip-snipping ahead of you! At the moment I'm not regretting that I lost two plants earlier this season: I'm at six jars and counting on just the bag seed plant

Back to the original question: are these plants for you and friends? i.e. not for medicine or selling? I would cut two now, give #3 a week and push #4 a far as you dare. I would also be super vigilant re: watching for bud rot. It can spread fast... it would suck to lose a lot of flower chasing that proverbial two weeks. Good luck & let us know how it finishes for you!

Your stuff looks really close Jetson...I'm envious. OGS has done good for you, my timing has been off as to getting seeds from them...always out of what I want when I want em. Seems the key for most of us growers is to get strains that truly finish in Sept or even Aug. That's been difficult for me finding sativa doms that fit this bill.
It's a risky operation even at it's best for us all. Feel real bad for all of the growers who have lost their crops or had to chop early due to mother nature or thieves or cops. Gotta say.... It's nice having a leg up in a legal state.
This is such a weird time for me. Happy... actually thrilled about the grow this season, and then on the flip side edgy... always on the lookout. Weather, PM, botrytis, budworms, mites and thieves. And looking ahead at all of the trimming I'll have...basically solo. My wife says I'm crazy...and you already talking about popping seeds next March. Yep, I can't wait to do it again :bigjoint:

slow drawl · Sep 29, 2016

Humanrob said:
This is only my second outdoor grow. I've taken two plants down so far that I only saw minimal issues with on the surface -- they had a few spots of PM and some minor bud rot showing. I am really glad I took them down, because as I wet trimmed and washed them, I found way more problems then I had realized were there. The upcoming weather is perfect mold growing weather, things would have gotten worse.

Good call HR.

Fogdog · Sep 29, 2016

WV: Jetson said:
Your girls are looking good, Mr. Dog! Semi-experienced here, second year outdoor. Of my two plants, only Cindy's Blue Cheese (also from OGS) is still standing. I have been taking down the bag seed plant for a couple/three weeks now - mostly racing against bud rot & a caterpillar here and there. What I noticed on the last round of trimming was how much darker purple the buds are compared to the earlier buds. These were all second tier buds, left on the plant after the first round of big bud cuts were made. So, for that plant, I wish I could have gone longer. The only buds left are pollinated flowers. What worries me most about this round of rain is that it is not going to warm up again after the precipitation is over. I don't see above the high 60's for the next 10 days. My plan at the moment is to trim the big branches tonight, as much as I can. We are away for the weekend so I'll be picking up where I left off when we get back. Here's what she looked like earlier this week

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Do I wish I could go longer? Sure. Would it be more potent? I would certainly assume so. I don't have a strong scope, so I haven't even looked at the trichomes. I've been finding small patches of rot here & there. I'm also not under cover. PM hasn't been an issue for me this year! I know I won't be able to get the whole plant down tonight, so I guess I'll be running my own experiment... Are you doing all the trimming FD, or have you wrangled a crew? You have a lot of snip-snipping ahead of you! At the moment I'm not regretting that I lost two plants earlier this season: I'm at six jars and counting on just the bag seed plant

Back to the original question: are these plants for you and friends? i.e. not for medicine or selling? I would cut two now, give #3 a week and push #4 a far as you dare. I would also be super vigilant re: watching for bud rot. It can spread fast... it would suck to lose a lot of flower chasing that proverbial two weeks. Good luck & let us know how it finishes for you!

Hey, wow that was a great reply. And what a nice fat cola you have in your photo.

My main concern was "would the medicine be potent?" and unintentionally answered that question yesterday when I pulled off the tip of a flower that had some bud rot. After pulling off the brownish bit, there was about a fingernail's width of healthy bud left and I ate it, more to see what the green bud tasted like. Two hours later I was stupid high. So, OK that question is answered.

I'll start the harvest today and work my way through it. What I'll do is take the top branches off of everybody and work my way down as the harvest goes. I'll stop when it rains and start back up when it doesn't so by my dithering I'll be running an ongoing study on what happens during wet cold weather toward the end of the season.

I do have some friends that can help with the trimming this weekend and a dark area cleared out in my barn for hanging the trimmed branches. Not any humidity control. The barn will be at ambient temperatures but can hang plastic sheeting and use a heater to create warmer conditions if that seems necessary. Right now, I have no idea what to do with all the green stuff or how long it takes to do the trimming. Never been involved with a grow before, so I'm just going to see what happens. I figure friends of mine that smoke will have some nice Christmas gifts. For myself, I'm a real lightweight and go through maybe an ounce a year. The dry and cure will be critical because this stuff should be around a while. My wife doesn't smoke but she is interested in edibles so we'll have plenty of stock to work with while we figure that out.

Thanks for the advice. I'll start chopping this afternoon and send some more photos when I'm able. There will probably be some questions that arise as I work my way through the harvest, dry and cure cycle. I'm open to advice. RIU has some helpful posts that I've gone through backwards and forwards but if anybody sees something that I've written to cause concern, I'll appreciate a reply.

Humanrob · Sep 29, 2016

slow drawl said:
Your stuff looks really close Jetson...I'm envious. OGS has done good for you, my timing has been off as to getting seeds from them...always out of what I want when I want em. Seems the key for most of us growers is to get strains that truly finish in Sept or even Aug. That's been difficult for me finding sativa doms that fit this bill.
It's a risky operation even at it's best for us all. Feel real bad for all of the growers who have lost their crops or had to chop early due to mother nature or thieves or cops. Gotta say.... It's nice having a leg up in a legal state.
This is such a weird time for me. Happy... actually thrilled about the grow this season, and then on the flip side edgy... always on the lookout. Weather, PM, botrytis, budworms, mites and thieves. And looking ahead at all of the trimming I'll have...basically solo. My wife says I'm crazy...and you already talking about popping seeds next March. Yep, I can't wait to do it again

I'm in a similar boat, needing to grow Sativa-doms for my 'patient'. I after two years of spending tons of time and lots of money growing lots of plants, and then taking all the additional time to process damaged plants (it takes significantly longer to trim and search for damage, sort the good from the bad... than just to trim), I'm going to try and and throw everything at it next year -- a greenhouse and light deprivation. I'm sure there will be all kinds of new challenges to deal with, but I'd rather have 2-4 plants grow to their full potential, than be picking through 8+/- battered plants like I have this year. Don't know if that's of any help to you, it's just the road I'm looking down.

Humanrob · Sep 29, 2016

This is my first year experiencing worm issues. I've noticed such different looking worms, I think I have more than one kind. The worst case is the Jillybean I brought into the garage to finish. In the morning the worms come out, like miniature versions of Jabba the Hutt sun bathing under the 600w HPS that just fired up. Since there are no birds in the garage, there is nothing to eat them, and the warm temps seem to encourage them to stay active. I pick off around 3-5 every morning.

Beyond the fact that they are eating the plant up, I'm just wondering what I do now... If/when there are ones I miss when I'm trimming the plant, will they evacuate while its hanging to dry? Will they get stuck in there and dry up and die? Is there some trick or procedure for finding them all? I've been surprised that the plants I've washed did not only not wash out the worms, it didn't even kill them. Makes me wonder how long I'd have to hold the buds submerged to actually drown them.

WV: Jetson · Sep 30, 2016

Yeah, I found a worm crawling around on a bud that had been on the drying rack for 3 or 4 days. And, I have two different phenotypes: green and smooth and brown/gray and hairy.

Beavermike · Sep 30, 2016

Humanrob said:
This is my first year experiencing worm issues. I've noticed such different looking worms, I think I have more than one kind. The worst case is the Jillybean I brought into the garage to finish. In the morning the worms come out, like miniature versions of Jabba the Hutt sun bathing under the 600w HPS that just fired up. Since there are no birds in the garage, there is nothing to eat them, and the warm temps seem to encourage them to stay active. I pick off around 3-5 every morning.

Beyond the fact that they are eating the plant up, I'm just wondering what I do now... If/when there are ones I miss when I'm trimming the plant, will they evacuate while its hanging to dry? Will they get stuck in there and dry up and die? Is there some trick or procedure for finding them all? I've been surprised that the plants I've washed did not only not wash out the worms, it didn't even kill them. Makes me wonder how long I'd have to hold the buds submerged to actually drown them.

So, I've found a few worms but it seems like their overall numbers have been low. I've been spraying flying skull nuke em about once a week for pm. It's acts as an insecticide too. Ingredients are citric acid, water, yeast, potassium sorbate. It was about 20 bucks for an 8 oz bottle (makes 2 gallons). Expensive, but after you consider your time and energy...it's a portland based company so should be easy to find. I found it at the local hydro shop. Could be worth at try @Humanrob .

Humanrob · Sep 30, 2016

WV: Jetson said:
Yeah, I found a worm crawling around on a bud that had been on the drying rack for 3 or 4 days. And, I have two different phenotypes: green and smooth and brown/gray and hairy.

Me too, BIG fat green ones, and smaller brown ones, below is a pic from this morning. I'm going to chop some early buds on my remaining plants as part of a staggered harvest strategy. It will be the closest look I get at some of the top center buds, and I'm going to focus on those. From cutting my LSD down top first then (next day) the bottom, I found almost no worms at all in the bottom half. Seems the moths like to lay their eggs on the tallest branches. So I figure those will be the hardest hit and I'll take them first before there is any further damage.

Beavermike said:
So, I've found a few worms but it seems like their overall numbers have been low. I've been spraying flying skull nuke em about once a week for pm. It's acts as an insecticide too. Ingredients are citric acid, water, yeast, potassium sorbate. It was about 20 bucks for an 8 oz bottle (makes 2 gallons). Expensive, but after you consider your time and energy...it's a portland based company so should be easy to find. I found it at the local hydro shop. Could be worth at try @Humanrob .

I've used Nukem in my indoor. I didn't put it in my outdoor mix this year because I'm leaning heavily on GreenCure for PM, and my understanding is that it works by making the surface of the leaf alkaline (something PM apparently doesn't like). I thought mixing "citric acid" with it would undo or neutralize that effect.

Beavermike · Sep 30, 2016

Humanrob said:
Me too, BIG fat green ones, and smaller brown ones, below is a pic from this morning. I'm going to chop some early buds on my remaining plants as part of a staggered harvest strategy. It will be the closest look I get at some of the top center buds, and I'm going to focus on those. From cutting my LSD down top first then (next day) the bottom, I found almost no worms at all in the bottom half. Seems the moths like to lay their eggs on the tallest branches. So I figure those will be the hardest hit and I'll take them first before there is any further damage.

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I've used Nukem in my indoor. I didn't put it in my outdoor mix this year because I'm leaning heavily on GreenCure for PM, and my understanding is that it works by making the surface of the leaf alkaline (something PM apparently doesn't like). I thought mixing "citric acid" with it would undo or neutralize that effect.

Yeah I agree, sounds like the green cure and nuke em would be working against each other. Those are some fat worms too!

Started the chop on the sugar black rose. I had no idea the amount of time required for trimming. I'm so busy these days it might take me several days to get it done. Trimming tonight!

Fogdog · Oct 1, 2016

Humanrob said:
Me too, BIG fat green ones, and smaller brown ones, below is a pic from this morning. I'm going to chop some early buds on my remaining plants as part of a staggered harvest strategy. It will be the closest look I get at some of the top center buds, and I'm going to focus on those. From cutting my LSD down top first then (next day) the bottom, I found almost no worms at all in the bottom half. Seems the moths like to lay their eggs on the tallest branches. So I figure those will be the hardest hit and I'll take them first before there is any further damage.

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I've used Nukem in my indoor. I didn't put it in my outdoor mix this year because I'm leaning heavily on GreenCure for PM, and my understanding is that it works by making the surface of the leaf alkaline (something PM apparently doesn't like). I thought mixing "citric acid" with it would undo or neutralize that effect.

Yuk, not seen any on my crop yet but the trimming is underway and I won't know until I'm either done or one of the little bitches comes out to say hello. You are spot on about the up and coming weather. I pulled about 2/3 of the crop and am in the throes of trimming. So far, some bud rot, a few seeds and mostly clean bud and trim -- clean for an outdoor grow, that is. Pictures are forthcoming.

It doesn't look like there will be much of a let up from rain and wind for the next few weeks. This from posted on Friday, Sept 30 on The WxCafe, a weather blog that can be accessed through Oregon Vineyard Supply's website:

http://ovs.com/wx-cafe

Second Step: the coming week will bring on more wet weather. Looks like we will not have too strong of a wind issue here in the PNW early in the week, but any hoop/tunnel cover protection preparation will still be helpful, just in case. Also, with heavy rain coming, best to buckle down before blustery heavy rain arrives. Monday night will bring in the first of a long series of fall storms. Rain, with showers afterward before the next system arrives late Tue/early Wed from the NW. This storm will have a decent wind punch, esp over Vancouver Is. Most of the precip will fall north of Eugene. The next disturbance will approach the PNW from a bit farther south in the Pacific, yielding a slight warm-up in temps ahead of the moisture. As with the Wed system, the bulk of the rain will be in western WA.

Weekend of Oct 8,9. Here's where the threat for cold temps has exited the picture. The upper level winds will be very strong and from the west, rather than the north. This pattern 'trains' the surface storms all the way from northern Japan into the PNW. With cold air perched in the Gulf of Alaska, the storms will pile up a considerable amount of rainfall for much of the west coast. Yes, even California will get wet. Frontal bands will push in starting Saturday, pause, then slam in again in a long series of heavy rain bands. On Sunday night the 9th, heavy rain is progged to hit the PNW.

Third Step: what a stormy week the Oct 10-14 period will be. HEAVY RAIN, with a real threat for localized flooding, as multiple storms slam into the region. WIND fields will increase with each storm. The most recent prog charts for Wed night/Thu morning Oct 12,13 indicate a low center pressure of 964 mb as a possibility and tracking directly toward Vancouver Island, then STALLING OUT. This equates to heavy rain, strong winds for an extended period of 2-3 days. California will also get in on this one, with heavy rain over the northern 1/3 of the state. Again, no definite ruling yet on that powerful storm, but enough to warrant discussion here. There have been model solutions that stage the biggest wind event for the weekend of Oct 15. Either way, the week will be one of the wettest in quite some time.

Humanrob · Oct 2, 2016

To answer a previous question of my own... well, the worms do seem to bail out after you hang them to dry. Little tiny ones, hanging from threads. Haven't seen any big ones, so I guess either I got them all on the outside, or they are trapped inside... I guess I'll find out eventually.

I did lose an entire plant to worms. The Jillybean in the 20g pot. That was a casualty of the experiment of bringing it inside to finish -- the warmth made the worms eat and grow (seemingly) around the clock, and there were no natural predators to eat them. That plant needed a solid two more weeks to finish, and the worms were destroying it too quickly. Another plant I lost entirely to bud rut/mold. If it were my only plant, I might have taken the hours necessary to break open every single bud under white light and inspect them up close for mold, but I just don't have that kind of time. I did it for 1oz., and then threw the rest in the compost.

I do have two whole plants hanging to dry, that I expect are in good shape overall. I have two more coming down tomorrow -- which means chop, wash, hang by the fan outside, and then hang inside to final dry. That will leave me with the last two outside. Both are slow to finish, but both are not yet showing signs of damage. So the clock ticks on. I'm thinking about hanging the 600w HPS over the one in the hoop house. I'm not sure if I have enough head clearance to pull it off, but if I can I think both the light and the warmth and dryness it provides might buy the plant time to finish. That one has some mighty fat colas, and while that can be a good thing, the thickness is also a prime environment for bud rot.

DG1959 · Oct 3, 2016

I have one plant that I believe will be coming down this week. It is Honeysuckle, of course outdoors but greenhouse. I tried a couple samples of her and sure tastes good and looks like a good producer. But I don't think I would grow this strain outdoors again, grows big but the branches are weak and need a lot of support... also had a mild case of PM with only this plant.
Rain every day for at least 7 days and highs only in the 60's.... I am going to leave the icebreaker a couple more weeks and the Mojave OG maybe a week longer if I can... this is going to be a huge job since these trees are HUGE!
Best of luck everyone ! If your outdoors and no cover better look at plan B.

DG1959 · Oct 3, 2016

What do you guys see the price of flower going for in your areas?.... I see $125 for really nice buds and $100 for average..... here there are guys getting between $1200 and $1500 lb.

fandango · Oct 3, 2016

these 10x10 hoop's cost about 125.00 each and you can move them easy

WV: Jetson · Oct 4, 2016

Trimming is almost done - almost being the key. No more indoor worms or unexpected rot. I mentioned how the leftover buds on the bag seed plant were darkening up; here's a pic, with a caterpillar of course

The majority of my trimmed buds are not nearly this dark and frosty. Those two weeks can be a game changer, if you can eke it out. But she was sufferin' from the rot and I didn't want to loose her. It's interesting that between the two plants, rot manifested itself in two ways? Bag seed was gray, downy and moist and CBC's was brown, not really fuzzy and much drier. It also didn't seem to be as aggressive. Of course I didn't think to take pics.

My trimming shed is an out building that is enclosed & insulated, but not heated. I have the windows covered with fabric, and I've been running a fan. I was workin' last night, and I checked the drying progress of bud cut last week. Not nearly as dry as I think it should be. With this rain, I don't think it's getting warm enough. I may be moving the operation inside tonight. Or I can supplement the heat I guess.

Edit to add: I think Mr. Kong was more sexually active than I thought, I'm finding misc. seed sites on both plants...

@Fogdog we follow Rufus also. I got to hear him give a presentation about the weather once; quite entertaining and informative!

Humanrob · Oct 4, 2016

@WV: Jetson - don't forget that bud rot can continue to spread after you hang them to dry. I had about a half dozen stems hanging that I ended out tossing, because 5 days later I found that some of the buds had gone brown, broke them open, there was rot I had missed. The ones I've taken down early have been pretty frosty... just more clear than cloudy.

slow drawl · Oct 4, 2016

Humanrob said:
To answer a previous question of my own... well, the worms do seem to bail out after you hang them to dry. Little tiny ones, hanging from threads. Haven't seen any big ones, so I guess either I got them all on the outside, or they are trapped inside... I guess I'll find out eventually.

I did lose an entire plant to worms. The Jillybean in the 20g pot. That was a casualty of the experiment of bringing it inside to finish -- the warmth made the worms eat and grow (seemingly) around the clock, and there were no natural predators to eat them. That plant needed a solid two more weeks to finish, and the worms were destroying it too quickly. Another plant I lost entirely to bud rut/mold. If it were my only plant, I might have taken the hours necessary to break open every single bud under white light and inspect them up close for mold, but I just don't have that kind of time. I did it for 1oz., and then threw the rest in the compost.

I do have two whole plants hanging to dry, that I expect are in good shape overall. I have two more coming down tomorrow -- which means chop, wash, hang by the fan outside, and then hang inside to final dry. That will leave me with the last two outside. Both are slow to finish, but both are not yet showing signs of damage. So the clock ticks on. I'm thinking about hanging the 600w HPS over the one in the hoop house. I'm not sure if I have enough head clearance to pull it off, but if I can I think both the light and the warmth and dryness it provides might buy the plant time to finish. That one has some mighty fat colas, and while that can be a good thing, the thickness is also a prime environment for bud rot.

Man..sorry to hear about your bug, mold issues. You seem to be taking it well, kudos to you.
I think it would be smart of you to hang a light if you can. We have nothing but crappy weather to look forward to. My only plant outside that's close to ready is my Pineapple Chunk 70 to %80 cloudy trichs no amber at all. I have been on alert with her and found a few spots of botrytis last week. I picked up some Serenade and really soaked her good. Seems to have slowed it down for now. Bangi Haze plants have at least 2 to 3 weeks to go in the hoop house. So far they are showing no signs of problems at all. They are advertised as being rain and cold tolerant.

slow drawl · Oct 4, 2016

WV: Jetson said:
Trimming is almost done - almost being the key. No more indoor worms or unexpected rot. I mentioned how the leftover buds on the bag seed plant were darkening up; here's a pic, with a caterpillar of course

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The majority of my trimmed buds are not nearly this dark and frosty. Those two weeks can be a game changer, if you can eke it out. But she was sufferin' from the rot and I didn't want to loose her. It's interesting that between the two plants, rot manifested itself in two ways? Bag seed was gray, downy and moist and CBC's was brown, not really fuzzy and much drier. It also didn't seem to be as aggressive. Of course I didn't think to take pics.

My trimming shed is an out building that is enclosed & insulated, but not heated. I have the windows covered with fabric, and I've been running a fan. I was workin' last night, and I checked the drying progress of bud cut last week. Not nearly as dry as I think it should be. With this rain, I don't think it's getting warm enough. I may be moving the operation inside tonight. Or I can supplement the heat I guess.

Edit to add: I think Mr. Kong was more sexually active than I thought, I'm finding misc. seed sites on both plants...

@Fogdog we follow Rufus also. I got to hear him give a presentation about the weather once; quite entertaining and informative!

I totally agree with you, an extra 2 weeks makes a huge difference. Tough calls this time of year.
In my experience you need to watch humidty levels as much as the temps. I have an indoor bedroom closet that I use and keep the temp around 70 and the humidity around 50%. With some gentle air circulation it takes about 7 days before they are ready to be brown bagged.

Humanrob · Oct 4, 2016

slow drawl said:
Man..sorry to hear about your bug, mold issues. You seem to be taking it well, kudos to you.
I think it would be smart of you to hang a light if you can. We have nothing but crappy weather to look forward to. My only plant outside that's close to ready is my Pineapple Chunk 70 to %80 cloudy trichs no amber at all. I have been on alert with her and found a few spots of botrytis last week. I picked up some Serenade and really soaked her good. Seems to have slowed it down for now. Bangi Haze plants have at least 2 to 3 weeks to go in the hoop house. So far they are showing no signs of problems at all. They are advertised as being rain and cold tolerant.

Thanks Slow Drawl, it was a year full of learning. I took lessons from a single grow (last years) and applied them to this second one, but I didn't take into account random luck. I see what I could have/should have done differently, and in the end, we'll have more than enough to take us to my next indoor winter grow. So it's all good.

Here's what the 600 looks like in the hoop house this morning.

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