OBAMA RATED 5th BEST PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY

canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
There is plenty of time to shut their mouths and to look at reforms... later. Right now, Obamacare is the Democrats very own major failure and the Republicans can and should use it to flog the Democrats mercilessly. O'Care has never been popular with even 50% of the public, it was rammed down the throats of the public and down the throats of Republicans. So, I have to disagree with your advice.

Look at your own experience with O'Care, Canndo. It is not affordable. Some people will benefit from it, most people will suffer because of it. It is just another wealth transfer gimmick, i.e. it is straight out of the Democratic handbook.
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Wrong on several counts. Should they continue to fault Obamacare and in the next year or so, the plan begins to look good, the REpublicans will again wind up with egg on their faces.

The fact that Obamacare was not popular with the people is directly caused by spin, PR, and lies about the plan. There are no death panels, it is not a government take over, and as I said, it seems that the cost of insurance is going down, if you keep your eyes on the exchange.

My experience was stated previous to yours. I will be saving over $7000 a year total. Their continued attempts to repeal or defund the pan will not bode well for them and should the plan succeed those misspent votes will come back to haunt them.

Now what IS popular with the American people - in high percentages is not being addressed by Republicans. Gun regulations and immigration reform. They would be best served by tending to those things and leaving Obamacare to live or die on its own.
 
Wavels

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canndo said:
Wait, don't tell me you were certain, dead certain that Obama was going to be a one term president. You were certain that all of the polls during the last election were wrong - am I right?

And now you are predicting that Obama is raising Republicans back from a grave they themselves created, one shovel full of spouted nonesense after another.

Republicans have gotten even more faulty in their prognostications than they ordinarily are. But they just don't seem to have memories longer than 15 minutes. In fact, my memory is faulty as well, when WAS the last time Republicans have been proven to be right?

Hell, it is entirely possible that even their projections on Obamacare will be wrong.
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I am not a Republican, and my perception of them is that they represent the lesser of two extreme evils; both parties have been a blight on the body politic.

And without Obama's stunning display of mismanagement and woeful ineptitude, (his bumbling and fumbling and stumbling has been embarrassing), then the 'pubs would have no possible chance of reclaiming the Senate, if not for the stumble-bum in the White house.
Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...this is a doozy!

Remember back in November of '13, the Pubs were written off as never being able to win any major office again, and now here we are contemplating the probability of Republicans taking the House and the Senate...who saw this coming???? Nobody!

I did not vote for this dope of a POTUS!
 
UncleBuck

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Wavels said:
I agree with this.
And to think that this anointed genius has not even completed his last term in office.
What wonders of his dazzling brilliance await the awe-stricken faithful of the Hope and Change set?
This POTUS has resuscitated a clearly defunct and decrepit old white guy Republican Party back into viability and very probable political domination after the upcoming mid-terms.

Only Obama the Great could have pulled this off.

Hint for the math challenged…add up the numbers in the OP!!!

The irony of Obama’s accomplishments will be the stuff of legend for centuries to come.
Legendary doofus that is!!!
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the republicans will do well in the midterms for the same reason they want to suppress the vote: low turnout elections favor the republicans.

another thing that favors the republicans: a mid term election when the president is democrat, no matter who the president is.

either you are too stupid to realize that it is mundane historical fact that favors the republicans for this midterm, or you do know that and are trying to make a dishonest argument nonetheless.

so you are either stupid or lying. which one is it?

by the way, the litany of personal attacks on the president with no reference to legislation or substance tells us all we need to know about you. i hear SGT has a club you can join, i bet it's even cool to discuss the greatness of jared taylor over there.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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the only possibly better thin i can imagine is if uncle benis were holding a cock in each hand instead of the peace sign.
 
canndo

canndo

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Wavels said:
I am not a Republican, and my perception of them is that they represent the lesser of two extreme evils; both parties have been a blight on the body politic.

And without Obama's stunning display of mismanagement and woeful ineptitude, (his bumbling and fumbling and stumbling has been embarrassing), then the 'pubs would have no possible chance of reclaiming the Senate, if not for the stumble-bum in the White house.
Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...this is a doozy!

Remember back in November of '13, the Pubs were written off as never being able to win any major office again, and now here we are contemplating the probability of Republicans taking the House and the Senate...who saw this coming???? Nobody!

I did not vote for this dope of a POTUS!
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You may be looking in the wrong place for the source of Repubs situation, negative and positive. It is their original flirtation with the tea party, and then their swallowing of Tea Party ultra far right politics that have placed republicans in the straits they are. The current problem with them is their current sidestep to the right, leaving even hard core conservatives to their left as they sidle. While that may get them some traction, it is doubtful that Obama is a continued driving influence. Recall that Repubs in the house, and their obstruction are trumping anything that Obama or the Dems attempt. The Senate is still mostly held back by their own situation. No, Obama is not well liked, but congress is even less liked, by a decent margin. I am not sure that Obama has a real drag on anyone given that he has little manuvering room other than his presidential decrees.

the situation with Russia could either help him or hurt him and I believe a lot rides on his actions there as well.
You may talk about his bumbling management style, but he did manage to enact legislation that has failed for almost 100 years. Again, I believe this will be a make or break issue for Dems and Pubs. The essential thing to watch however is the spin as things go forth. Repubs have a far better grasp of such influence and if they manage to have the public forget where we have been, then they will have a chance.

So, what needs to be kept in mind is this - what if they DO take the house and senate? What would be in store but gridlock and rancor on a level we have probably not seen in a hundred years
 
Pinworm

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If you ever need to learn about topping penises, and topping penises in texas, Uncle Benis is the bigot for you.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
^^^^not intended to be a factual statement.

https://www.rollitup.org/politics/780039-obamacare-still-twice-popular-republicans.html
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You don't know what "pornography" means, or what "obscene" means. It must be painful and embarrassing to be so fucking obtuse.

[h=3]Polling Data[/h]
PollDateSampleFor/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average2/27 - 3/16--38.953.6Against/Oppose +14.7
Pew Research2/27 - 3/163335 A4153Against/Oppose +12
CNN/Opinion Research3/7 - 3/9801 A3957Against/Oppose +18
Rasmussen Reports*3/8 - 3/91000 LV4056Against/Oppose +16
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl3/5 - 3/91000 A3549Against/Oppose +14
PPP (D)3/6 - 3/91152 RV3948Against/Oppose +9
FOX News3/2 - 3/41002 RV3857Against/Oppose +19
Gallup2/28 - 3/21533 A4055Against/Oppose +15
All Public Approval of Health Care Law Polling Data
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
You don't know what "pornography" means, or what "obscene" means. It must be painful and embarrassing to be so fucking obtuse.

Polling Data

PollDateSampleFor/FavorAgainst/OpposeSpread
RCP Average2/27 - 3/16--38.953.6Against/Oppose +14.7
Pew Research2/27 - 3/163335 A4153Against/Oppose +12
CNN/Opinion Research3/7 - 3/9801 A3957Against/Oppose +18
Rasmussen Reports*3/8 - 3/91000 LV4056Against/Oppose +16
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl3/5 - 3/91000 A3549Against/Oppose +14
PPP (D)3/6 - 3/91152 RV3948Against/Oppose +9
FOX News3/2 - 3/41002 RV3857Against/Oppose +19
Gallup2/28 - 3/21533 A4055Against/Oppose +15
All Public Approval of Health Care Law Polling Data
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What is this? seems like approval rating of Obamacare? So we see numbers as low as 35 percent with an error rate of what again?

This sort of polling is suspect unless we first see the method of polling and the questions.

Beyond that, you are going to have to factor in another set of variables. The first is how well informed are those being polled. We know that there has been a massive and very well funded campaign of misinformation led by health insurance companies who are funding or have funded front groups and the front groups are managed by PR firms. The health insurance companies have spent hundreds of millions of dollars on these campaigns for years now. The last large assault was just before Moore's "Sicko" was in general release.

This sort of thing goes back as far as the 1990 and so has a lingering effect all by itself. Check out the Healthcare Leadership Council - formed in 1990. O)r the Jackson Hole group. Or the Alliance for Managed Care. At the time the HLC was a major player in beating back Clinton's plan. APCO was a big player in changing the masses perceptions of Obamacare - and our current healthcare system for the latest round of attacks.

It is unwise to rely on polling data if those polled have been heavily influenced by PR firms, front groups, think tanks of dubious origin, pumped opinion pieces, pro-industry stances by radiocons and Fox shills and an unkmown volume of internet seeders.
 
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