New Old Strains

IndicaFatnHeavy said:

you had to walk 5 miles there and back... that why u didnt graduate?

im not old, havent smoked weed from the 70s or strains from back then... but seriously.. get off your high horse, you cant compare shit in the 60s 70s to shit we got now. dont even try.

not to mention how much we've learned about growing it, and how to improve it... weed is only going to get more and more potent

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thc may be higher,who knows,but weed back then i,i started smokeing weed in 74 and it would make you soar on high,their wasnt a lot of couch lock,it was weed that you could put 14 hours in the blazeing sun and not get burnt out,todays stuff makes you heavy and lazy compared to panama red ot thia stick,or a nice hawwian sativa my hookup used to get,and some mexican,their was some heavy legged mexican weed,but not a lot,most of it had a more head high,you got high not stoned,like a stone on the bottom of the lake.so thc is not relevant at all.no one is growing 16 wewek sativas,my buddy went to panama just to get the best redhair as we called it as he could,and he smoked his way into the middle of cannacis heavon,and he said that they took all year to ripen,the feathery light panama red hair.

IndicaFatnHeavy said:

you had to walk 5 miles there and back... that why u didnt graduate?

im not old, havent smoked weed from the 70s or strains from back then... but seriously.. get off your high horse, you cant compare shit in the 60s 70s to shit we got now. dont even try.

not to mention how much we've learned about growing it, and how to improve it... weed is only going to get more and more potent

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improoved you say,you ever smoke central african sativas,you would get so high you would swear off pot it was that potent and mindbending,if you smoked to much when your mood wasnt right it was worse then a bad acid trip,nothing any one sells were i live can touch that.so improoving growing?either it is in its genetic makeup to reach levels or it is not.And whos makeing pot better,someone mixing urkle with c99.come on man get real.The great wild pot is dissapearing.ever talk to an old timer in south america about how wild and scred pot was,and how they could hallucinate on good weed,well we brought them the 8 week hashplant to shorten their time,that weed is gone,so dont always assume man makes things better.ive had seneca root from medicine men that takes away more pain then 8 t3,s.their was a lot of wicked weed in the old days that made you talk and see the spirits.

What is the oldest/purest Indica strain?

I would love to identiify the purest up Sativa and the purest down Indica.

I remember the first indica that I tries. It tasted like you were smoking a pine tree. Never had it so strong and great tasting again. And that was over 20 years ago.

.i dont think their is any pure lines,maybe some tribes in africa,the rain forrest or some villager deep in the mountians of aphganistan.maybe,but im sure that their is very few if any.im not saying the pot we got in the 60,s or 70,s were pure.but they didnt worry about their sun bills

StreetRider said:

What is the oldest/purest Indica strain?

I would love to identiify the purest up Sativa and the purest down Indica.

I remember the first indica that I tries. It tasted like you were smoking a pine tree. Never had it so strong and great tasting again. And that was over 20 years ago.

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Indica - Afghani
Sativa -Thai, Mexico has some great ones like the infamous Acapulco Gold, Hawaii's Maui Wauie (sp ?)

Columbian Gold and Blueberry. Old school and still dynamite.

trapper said:

my first pound of personal i bought to smoke in the bush was mexican mohican,rich thick dark smoke with an up high.it took me and my buddies 10 days to smoke that pound in 78.

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It is Oaxaca – pronounced Wa-xaka (or in a more English looking/sounding way Wa-haka) though some thought it was "mohican."
　
Oaxaca Gold was damn fine smoke.

IndicaFatnHeavy said:

you had to walk 5 miles there and back... that why u didnt graduate?

im not old, havent smoked weed from the 70s or strains from back then... but seriously.. get off your high horse, you cant compare shit in the 60s 70s to shit we got now. dont even try.

not to mention how much we've learned about growing it, and how to improve it... weed is only going to get more and more potent

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pick up a 1920s farmers almanac or growing guide and all the same pruning techniques and supercropping was done back then. It just might be new to you or your community. the plants as old as man. and my great great great great great grand daddy grew better than you........lol..the governments war on us, wants you, or better yet your ex hippy parents, to think it is stronger. "its fucking as strong and bad as crack man", "havnt you heard they mix it with plutonium now a days"

DO any of the breeders still keep the pure strains alive, or are they gone for good? Can one find pure Afghani Indica? Or is it just the closest hybred now a days?

IndicaFatnHeavy said:

you had to walk 5 miles there and back... that why u didnt graduate?

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Is there some reason you need to create a false reality? Do you believe making up false claims in some way elevates you by lowering others?
　
I graduated both high school and college, and of course all before both.

im not old, havent smoked weed from the 70s or strains from back then... but seriously.. get off your high horse, you cant compare shit in the 60s 70s to shit we got now. dont even try

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That is a statement that I have heard and read numerous times and it always makes me laugh. Someone like yourself will admit that they never experienced the strains that someone like myself has but yet they believe they have the factual knowledge to make a statement of fact saying they were not as potent as some or many or all strains of today.
　
If you have never experienced something precisely how in the wide, wide world of sports do you believe you can factually comment on it?
　
Remember, it is people like myself that have experienced the different strains throughout the decades so we have actual experience with them and people like yourself do not.
　
With that in mind which of the two of us would be better capable of knowing the true facts?

not to mention how much we've learned about growing it, and how to improve it... weed is only going to get more and more potent

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What people like you do not know is the, shall we call it the human induced evolution of marijuana has been something like a roller coaster ride. Most smokers today honestly believe that Mexican marijuana was always low grade when the exact opposite is the truth.
　
What happened was at one point there were only landrace strains and crosses that were made between landrace strains with the assistance of Mother Nature.
　
In the case of Mexican at one point Mexican growers learned of the shorter flowering period heavier yielding indica strains and they began to make crosses in an attempt to increase their yields and therefore their profits. The problem is that they did not have a clue about breeding and their attempts resulted in the low-grade Mexican that most smokers of today wrongly believe Mexican always was.
　
The very same thing happened in other areas around the world. Quality landrace strains were ruined by the introduction of various strains by people who did not have a clue what they were doing and there was a period of time where the quality of marijuana in general dropped.
　
In the case of the U.S. from time to time some new landrace or natural cross began to be imported and for those who both had access to it and could afford it they had real quality herb to smoke. There were also pockets of breeders who actually did know what they were doing but there was no distribution network for the spreading of seeds from their efforts or spreading clones and since they were not major cash croppers who supplied much of the nation only those who knew them had access to their crosses and then friends of those friends eventually had access and so on and so on until eventually many, MANY years later some very high quality marijuana strains made it to people like Dutch breeders and only then was there an overall increase in the quality of most marijuana. Not through the efforts of the breeders but only because by then there was a distribution network where they could spread to the world what others had been enjoying for years and years regionally.
　
But what people who only knew the marijuana in the down cycle believed was the better newer strains were better than anything that ever came before them and that was because they never experienced what was available before the down cycle.
　
For example take Bubblegum … when did the world learn about Bubblegum? T.H. Seeds had a big hit with it when they introduced it to their line in 1993 after it hit Holland in the early 90’s but I smoked Bubblegum years before that. It was first developed by growers in Indiana and from there the genetics moved to New England and eventually to Holland and only after that was it known to the world. But for those of us who lived near or in Indiana and had access to it we knew about it way before anyone else.
　
The history of Northern Lights is very similar. It existed and was enjoyed regionally long before it made it to the breeders who then released it to the world. It was first created in the 1970’s by one of the few truly knowledgeable breeders of the era but due to a total lack of a distribution network the world did not know squat about it until many years later. Most of the world never heard about it until the late 80’s when it began to win cups and was then used in the creation of various different strains. So does that mean those who smoked Northern Lights way back in the 70’s smoked low-grade low-potency weed and it only became potent when younger people smoked the very same thing over a decade and a half later, in fact very close to being two decades later?
　
Very high quality herb existed decades before most smokers of today were nothing more than the gleam in the eye of two strangers at a Guns & Roses concert but those people refuse to believe it even though it is as much of a fact as gravity and tides.
　
Those people were not alive back then, they did not experience what was available back then and they are to lazy to research such things and instead believe inaccurate word of mouth opinions of others who know as little as they themselves do.
　
I would bet everything I have that if I could get my hands on some of the real true landrace Dalat my brother in law shipped home at the end of his two tours in Vietnam and you smoked it you would say something along the lines of holy shit, what the hell is this stuff laced with, because you would be incapable of believing that it was nothing more than pure landrace marijuana.
　
I have said it before but I have seen real true hardened party commandos who could smoke an ounce of most stuff head for bed after only two or three hits of true Dalat because they were to high. It was not a paranoiac effect; it was just that they were to high to function, and as I made clear they were no lightweights by any means.
　
How many modern day strains can you name that would send real true hardened smokers to bed after only two or three hits because they were to high to function?
　
Don’t bother to tell me that I am the one who is incapable of comparing the different strains from the different eras because I am the one of the two of us who has personally experienced them and you on the other hand have not so if either of the two of us is incapable of accurately comparing strains from over the last four decades or so it is you.

While the entire video does not actually pertain to what I have been saying towards the end of part 2 what I have been saying is also said and the guy saying it is totally correct …. and you on the other hand are not.

The part I am referring to is in the second part/second link, roughly around four minutes into the video, and then repeated in different wording again shortly after. While not all is exactly about what I have said the entire video is worth watching.
　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grFYYkAFsRo
　
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmClZUHpLw8&NR=1
　
For some inexplicable reason every generation likes, wants and needs to believe that if they did not actually invent sex, drugs and rock & roll they at least perfected it.

You are a prime example of that complete, total utterly inaccurate misperception.

Brick Top said:

It is Oaxaca – pronounced Wa-xaka (or in a more English looking/sounding way Wa-haka) though some thought it was "mohican."
　
Oaxaca Gold was damn fine smoke.

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i knew it was from oaxaca,but didnt know the real name,but it was some fine smoke,actually it was thick smoke,a jay would fill a car so you couldnt see.it wasnt really a pound after you rolled the seeds off a record cover,then you had 13OZ,s lol.but i liked it liked it a lot.i imagine it would be top notch if it never lost so many tricomes in transport.

Everyone here seems to have forgotten about Skunk #1. A great classic strain. Supposedly The Flying Dutchman's "The Pure" is the Skunk to get.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/48884-skunk-1-story.html

bleubeard said:

Everyone here seems to have forgotten about Skunk #1. A great classic strain. Supposedly The Flying Dutchman's "The Pure" is the Skunk to get.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/48884-skunk-1-story.html

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i remember when skunk came out,every one was selling skunk,but i dont believe it was as good as some of the pure sativas,skunk was good dont get me wrong,but to me it never left its mark on my memory like some of the others,but some may see it differantly.we are all differant in our ways.

trapper said:

i knew it was from oaxaca,but didnt know the real name,but it was some fine smoke,actually it was thick smoke,a jay would fill a car so you couldnt see.it wasnt really a pound after you rolled the seeds off a record cover,then you had 13OZ,s lol.but i liked it liked it a lot.i imagine it would be top notch if it never lost so many tricomes in transport.

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It was great stuff. One of my college roommates father was the dean of the college but before becoming the dean he was the head of some department at USC and would take summer trips to Mexico and go on digs for ancient relics and various other things.

Back in that era there was little if any searching of things shipped from Mexico to the U.S. if it was being sent to something like a college or a museum etc.

My roomie went with one summer and managed to get an entire large crate of Oaxaca Gold shipped back in a crate stamped USC.

We smoked that stuff like mad.
　
Being pronounced in English wa-haka we changed it to wa-hakin and then when it was finally about to run out we had a big weekend long blowout and it we called it The Last of the Wahakin Party, a joke take-off of the flick "The Last of the Mohicans"
　
It was funny to us … but maybe that was at least in part because we smoked about a half pound or so of it during the weekend long blowout.

bleubeard said:

Everyone here seems to have forgotten about Skunk #1. A great classic strain. Supposedly The Flying Dutchman's "The Pure" is the Skunk to get.

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/48884-skunk-1-story.html

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also i believe sam the skunk man contributed a lot to the gene pool today.i have a lot of respect for his dedication and work.

Brick Top said:

It was great stuff. One of my college roommates father was the dean of the college but before becoming the dean he was the head of some department at USC and would take summer trips to Mexico and go on digs for ancient relics and various other things.

Back in that era there was little if any searching of things shipped from Mexico to the U.S. if it was being sent to something like a college or a museum etc.

My roomie went with one summer and managed to get an entire large crate of Oaxaca Gold shipped back in a crate stamped USC.

We smoked that stuff like mad.
　
Being pronounced in English wa-haka we changed it to wa-hakin and then when it was finally about to run out we had a big weekend long blowout and it we called it The Last of the Wahakin Party, a joke take-off of the flick "The Last of the Mohicans"
　
It was funny to us … but maybe that was at least in part because we smoked about a half pound or so of it during the weekend long blowout.

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imagine how much better it would of been if it never had so many trichomes taken off on its journeys north,by the time we got weed it was batterd to shit,and it was still great.now we grow it with out it losing a single resin gland lol.mind you yours was probably handled better,being shipped the way it did.

Man michoacan marijuana and thai stick would blow you away. Don't say that today weed is better....

Hi all, cool conversation and input from oldschoolers. Brick top, great post's man. Good to read.

Herb today is devoid of many of the terpenes and complexity of Cannabinoids. This is mostly explainable by modern techniques such as growing pure Equatorial Sativas under lights. The plant receives nothing like the length of time it would normally have to mature, and throughout its life receives totally different light spectrums to the environment it came from and gave rise to these legend's. To cap it off, most pump them up full of Nitrogen with little thought given to their home conditions. It is easy to see why this wont work to select these rare qualities some of us seek.

Another thing, most of these 'Sativas' mentioned are not at all, they are 90% Indica. A F1 50% Sativa/Indica hybrid creates massive plants and so does 75% equatorial Sativa x Indica short flowering. What I see is mostly Indica. So there is not even many reference points any more.

The potency of Cannabis is not derived solely from how many resin heads it has. Honestly, in comparison to the latest ''super sativa #1'' our pure Colombian's will take you to another dimension entirely. The people who have maintained these lines over many generations are not unskilled plant breeders, those forefathers of ours who created these poly hybrid Sativas like Haze had amazing skills. I'm not talking Dutch hazes here, and we have plenty of evidence of seed importations from around the globe in the 50's to back this up.

A customers quote, post his grow of the purple Colombian x Colombian gold pictured above:

''I would say for quality of high, these buds were the best for a introspective, psychedelic experience with various stages of euphoria followed by transcending 3 dimensional wormhole. yeah well its hard to describe a really good high which keeps changing form. Clarity, color and euphoria with a shift in self deity..''

Of course, these lines are pure Sativas and they take a long time in flower, circa 20 weeks indoors. A full year (or more) outside is common. For the majority, this is too much, that is understandable. However, unless some folks are prepared to go there and work with these true legendary lines then there is no way to go forward. You cannot put in a line what you took out. So if you can recollect unmolested genetics you can work with these very special traits and create truly incredible hybrids using modern plant breeding knowledge (all the knowledge our forefathers have left) along with a whole lotta love.

I have a Dutch wife, spent years of my life in Amsterdam, I have every major name cut from the States and Europe, I have done before most where named on boards. They do not compare. Yes some of them are 'potent' but for me they neither have any depth and I have NEVER found truly Psychedelic Cannabis outside of the pure lines, or very, very carefully worked hybrids thereof. You will never find these traits in 20th generation re hacks.

What they do have is the ability to produce big fat cola's under basic conditions and this is what most want, hence a market driven by nothing more than rehack's of existing hybrids or S1's of selected clones. Not many really want to breed with this plant in its true context, they simply want to sell you seed a closet and some elite clones and wham, another Cannabis breeder is born. None of that will or can lead to Cannabis improvement or protection of the gene-pools.

Bring back the Wormholes! I want to take a another ride.

Peace! HHF

- attached some Colombians growing in Colombia around 2000 when a team member was testing out some of our collections in the area. Some of our Mexican and Oaxacan lines. Some Panama Red, Thai 76 and others, some are work in progress some finished.

trapper said:

imagine how much better it would of been if it never had so many trichomes taken off on its journeys north,by the time we got weed it was batterd to shit,and it was still great.now we grow it with out it losing a single resin gland lol.mind you yours was probably handled better,being shipped the way it did.

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Like you said what we smoked had not been handled and abused like normal herb would have been.

It hadn’t actually lost all that many trichs. It went right from the grower into the crate and then was only handled by my friend when he grabbed more for us to smoke.
　
In the case of stuff that went from the grower to someone and then to another person and to another and was separated and weighed and handled by a number of people and transported so far with one person and then transferred to another for transportation and another and so on until it would get to people’s home towns, stuff like that would take a lot more abuse before it was smoked.
　
Also going back that far in time the Mexican, of all sorts, was not the totally super dried out brick-weed that later generations learned about and wrongly assume all Mexican strains were always like.

We did miss it when it was gone.

HHF said:

Hi all, cool conversation and input from oldschoolers. Brick top, great post's man. Good to read.

Herb today is devoid of many of the terpenes and complexity of Cannabinoids. This is mostly explainable by modern techniques such as growing pure Equatorial Sativas under lights. The plant receives nothing like the length of time it would normally have to mature, and throughout its life receives totally different light spectrums to the environment it came from and gave rise to these legend's. To cap it off, most pump them up full of Nitrogen with little thought given to their home conditions. It is easy to see why this wont work to select these rare qualities some of us seek.

Another thing, most of these 'Sativas' mentioned are not at all, they are 90% Indica. A F1 50% Sativa/Indica hybrid creates massive plants and so does 75% equatorial Sativa x Indica short flowering. What I see is mostly Indica. So there is not even many reference points any more.

The potency of Cannabis is not derived solely from how many resin heads it has. Honestly, in comparison to the latest ''super sativa #1'' our pure Colombian's will take you to another dimension entirely. The people who have maintained these lines over many generations are not unskilled plant breeders, those forefathers of ours who created these poly hybrid Sativas like Haze had amazing skills. I'm not talking Dutch hazes here, and we have plenty of evidence of seed importations from around the globe in the 50's to back this up.

A customers quote, post his grow of the purple Colombian x Colombian gold pictured above:

''I would say for quality of high, these buds were the best for a introspective, psychedelic experience with various stages of euphoria followed by transcending 3 dimensional wormhole. yeah well its hard to describe a really good high which keeps changing form. Clarity, color and euphoria with a shift in self deity..''

Of course, these lines are pure Sativas and they take a long time in flower, circa 20 weeks indoors. A full year (or more) outside is common. For the majority, this is too much, that is understandable. However, unless some folks are prepared to go there and work with these true legendary lines then there is no way to go forward. You cannot put in a line what you took out. So if you can recollect unmolested genetics you can work with these very special traits and create truly incredible hybrids using modern plant breeding knowledge (all the knowledge our forefathers have left) along with a whole lotta love.

I have a Dutch wife, spent years of my life in Amsterdam, I have every major name cut from the States and Europe, I have done before most where named on boards. They do not compare. Yes some of them are 'potent' but for me they neither have any depth and I have NEVER found truly Psychedelic Cannabis outside of the pure lines, or very, very carefully worked hybrids thereof. You will never find these traits in 20th generation re hacks.

What they do have is the ability to produce big fat cola's under basic conditions and this is what most want, hence a market driven by nothing more than rehack's of existing hybrids or S1's of selected clones. Not many really want to breed with this plant in its true context, they simply want to sell you seed a closet and some elite clones and wham, another Cannabis breeder is born. None of that will or can lead to Cannabis improvement or protection of the gene-pools.

Bring back the Wormholes! I want to take a another ride.

Peace! HHF

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Amen brother!