Lollipopping

mared juwan said:

I really resent all that shit you said BrickTop. Do you not remember me? Gonna pretend you never pm'd me to talk about Lemon Skunk? Am I really such an unreasonable and ignorant prick as you imply? Was your boy Uncle Ben right in calling someone's plants pathetic? Go ahead and take his side. I forgive you.

I still think you are both misinterpretting the topic. You read it as "removing fan leaves equals bad" but there's more to it than that. I think botanical science agrees that a branch which is completely blocked from direct light will not produce much usable bud. Therefore if you have a tangly jungle of long lower branches none of them will yield much. Selectively removing only enough of them to allow the remaining branches to be unshaded will benefit yield. I have tried it and I respect all your guys experience but nothing you can say will convince me what I have seen isn't true.

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I am sorry if you believe that exchanging pleasant past PM’s means we cannot hold differing beliefs after that point in time and I am sorry if I offended you but to remind you there is a shoe on the other foot and some of what you said about Uncle Ben offended me because I know he knows what he is talking about.

I know he is correct in what he says and just because he doesn’t always give people his advice with a spoon-full of sugar to help it go down easy and at times he can seem gruff, and actually at times be gruff, he may not be the most lovable of people but that is no reason to question his growing expertise, experience or botanical knowledge.
　
Before Greenman was Greenman he was getting growing tips from Uncle Ben. Uncle Ben let Jorge Cervantes know there was an error in one of his books, and I do not mean like a typo, and it was changed and he was sent a signed thank you copy.
　
Who else here can say the same or even come half close to being able to say the same?
　
Because I have known Uncle Ben, online, for several years or so now and because I have grown out his genetics and enjoyed the results and because I read facts in his messages and because I have seen many very impressive pictures of Uncle Ben’s skill at growing to me based on what I had read previous to what I replied to it seemed that you wanted to make it more of a personal affair than it need be.

I did not intend to imply that you were being; "such an unreasonable and ignorant prick," as you put it, but you did seem to show a willingness to ignore proven botanical facts and to take things to a personal level instead of attempting to counter facts with if not facts at least something that might be considered to be something of evidence that might support your position.
　
It is like I said, there is an astounding willingness or want or need or desire among many growers to attempt ignore as many proven botanical facts as possible if they prove some system of growing or some portion of some system of growing is not the best way to do things if that particular system happens to be popular at the time or if someone just likes the sound of it.
　
Again it is far more the resilience of the plant that makes some ABUSIVE growing systems appear to be successful and not the actual ABUSIVE growing system creating any true success.

As for the removing of any branches or leaves that do not receive adequate light and die or are clearly dying I would have no problem with them being removed but if someone has them then either their lighting and reflective material combination is inadequate or they just allowed their plants to outgrow their lighting/reflective material combination … which I guess could be argued as being the same thing but it would not really be if the grower knew their system’s limitations and allowed it to happen.

blueybong said:

You guys got to let it go!!! Please!

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this should be sorted out in the old fashioned way, ten paces turn and fire. may a swift death be upon the loser....

Actually I appreciate that Brick Top came back to clear up those points. He took exception to how I treated a friend of his and that is understandable. I was just frustrated that the point I was really trying to make kept getting brushed aside and there was automatic refusal to concede that a circumstance might ever exist where removal of some select branches would help the remaining ones. I don't want to beat a dead horse but I think we do have at least a little bit of common ground here.

"If a light system is substandard for certain types of growing styles and or someone does not use reflective material or uses low-grade reflective material and the grower allows their plants to outgrow their lighting then yes you can have areas of low light, low enough where leaves and even branches will die due to lack of light.

That can often times be the case when someone is new to growing or new to using HID lighting because some do tend to expect far more out of lower wattage HID lights than they can provide and until the grower figures things out they will allow their plants to outgrow their lighting and end up with tall plants with bare or nearly bare bottoms."

These are the specific circumstances I feel where this technique helps. It is true that it's mostly inexperienced growers who will have a situation in which there is inadequate light for the plants. It's best to avoid a situation where sacrificing branches would improve yield nevertheless those situations do happen to some of the people who will read this. All along I tried to make it clear that this isn't a viable strategy to maximize yield for every grow. I haven't personally used this technique in a grow for at least a year. I'm not trying to sell it to anyone. So then that's where I'll leave it. If Uncle Ben and Brick Top think less of me for what I said in this thread that is regrettable but I can't change it, only say that if I had it to do again I would have stuck by the point I'm trying to make but not be so aggressive about it and question anyone's knowledge/experience.

hey guys just thought id pop by and show you a new style of growing called lollipop topping. you just take off all the leaves, the lower branches, the side branches and then top, this pic is how it should look, ive been growing like this for 50 years and im only 25.

del66666 said:

hey guys just thought id pop by and show you a new style of growing called lollipop topping. you just take off all the leaves, the lower branches, the side branches and then top, this pic is how it should look, ive been growing like this for 50 years and im only 25.

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My 4-Bee Bopper Topper can beat up your topper.

lol very nice , i shall try again til i grow a plant like uncle ben......

del66666 said:

hey guys just thought id pop by and show you a new style of growing called lollipop topping. you just take off all the leaves, the lower branches, the side branches and then top, this pic is how it should look, ive been growing like this for 50 years and im only 25.

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What week do you do this in?

del66666 said:

hey guys just thought id pop by and show you a new style of growing called lollipop topping. you just take off all the leaves, the lower branches, the side branches and then top, this pic is how it should look, ive been growing like this for 50 years and im only 25.

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This method is better than lollipopin it's called popscicle stickin' and it increases yield by 99.9%

speaking of trends/hype, i was searching the longest time for "budsicles" since thats what i thought they were always called. guess its now "lollypopping". either way, you cant beat mother nature and science in the end..... it is what it is. interesting points all around though

I am an outdoor grower and last year I took some clones from a friend who had what he said was a indoor/outdoor strain. I had these plants on 24 hr. light and in june before I put them outside they began to bud. I have been cloning for yrs and have never had this happen. I didn't have extra plants so I put them in the ground anyway and eventually they went back to the growth stage but never got their full size. Is this common when you grow an indoor strain?

linda said:

I am an outdoor grower and last year I took some clones from a friend who had what he said was a indoor/outdoor strain. I had these plants on 24 hr. light and in june before I put them outside they began to bud. I have been cloning for yrs and have never had this happen. I didn't have extra plants so I put them in the ground anyway and eventually they went back to the growth stage but never got their full size. Is this common when you grow an indoor strain?

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Start a new thread with more details.

Uncle Ben said:

Start a new thread with more details.

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LOL no doubt, that post has nothing to do with pruning even.

Wow this thread seams to have really become a flame war. Good thing I am a glutton for punishment.

I am gonna chime in on Lollipoping being a viable tool to get better quality bud. I planted 10 Northern Lights x Shiva Shanti, got 6 females and 4 males. I worked from seed no cloning. The technique I used was to remove branches, not fan leaves, from the bottom 1/3 to 1/2 of the plant by the second week of flower. This is an 8 week strain and I believe I vegged for 4 or 5 weeks. This strain has a height of 50 - 60 cm or 19" to 23".

I was able to produce 1 -1.3 oz colas off of each of 5 plants(1 I seeded and left au natural). Finished height was about 18" -22".

The reason for growing these small plants like this is to create good air flow under the canopy and to avoid popcorn buds that I don't like, perhaps they would be good with some converted rice?

I was taught this method by a young man who runs several 4x8 trays and has never had a reg job. Neither he nor I are botanist, or even florist for that matter, but it did seem to be a good way to roll especially if you plan to run a few hundred such plants, not that I or anyone I know would ever do such a thing.

I don't care if you don't like my way of doing things it won't offend me mostly cause my way keeps me stoned. If you do see a need to flame me well "you may eat the peanuts out of my ....".

Corwin said:

I was able to produce 1 -1.3 oz colas off of each of 5 plants(1 I seeded and left au natural). Finished height was about 18" -22".


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So .. U got the same yield from the one you didn't .." trim " ?

Corwin said:

I am gonna chime in on Lollipoping being a viable tool to get better quality bud. I planted 10 Northern Lights x Shiva Shanti, got 6 females and 4 males. I worked from seed no cloning. The technique I used was to remove branches........

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But you had no control group?

Corwin said:

Wow this thread seams to have really become a flame war. Good thing I am a glutton for punishment.

I am gonna chime in on Lollipoping being a viable tool to get better quality bud. I planted 10 Northern Lights x Shiva Shanti, got 6 females and 4 males. I worked from seed no cloning. The technique I used was to remove branches, not fan leaves, from the bottom 1/3 to 1/2 of the plant by the second week of flower. This is an 8 week strain and I believe I vegged for 4 or 5 weeks. This strain has a height of 50 - 60 cm or 19" to 23".

I was able to produce 1 -1.3 oz colas off of each of 5 plants(1 I seeded and left au natural). Finished height was about 18" -22".

The reason for growing these small plants like this is to create good air flow under the canopy and to avoid popcorn buds that I don't like, perhaps they would be good with some converted rice?

I was taught this method by a young man who runs several 4x8 trays and has never had a reg job. Neither he nor I are botanist, or even florist for that matter, but it did seem to be a good way to roll especially if you plan to run a few hundred such plants, not that I or anyone I know would ever do such a thing.

I don't care if you don't like my way of doing things it won't offend me mostly cause my way keeps me stoned. If you do see a need to flame me well "you may eat the peanuts out of my ....".

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All new Ideas face opposition, when they work or dont, and even from those who have never even attempted the idea itself will still have strong enough FEELINGS to argue against it with the knowledge and experience they already have.

is it a wonder that so many wars are going on lol..........

Fred Flintstoner said:

All new Ideas face opposition, when they work or dont, and even from those who have never even attempted the idea itself will still have strong enough FEELINGS to argue against it with the knowledge and experience they already have.

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For starts, it's not new just like the mutts you guys keep buying thinking you're getting something better than what came before - you're not. It's quite funny really, every new crop of noobs thinks they are reinventing the wheel.

It's simple botany - if you remove the very unit that manufactures food for flower production, expect your yields to suffer. If you're picking out flowers located at the lowest budsites with your finger tips, I gave you a solution.

Good luck,
UB