Lollipopping

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sherriberry

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uncle ben...

in his photos, he has 4 lollipopped plants...

but lots of space around them.

In that scenario, i agree, he may not have needed to lollipop them.

However, are you not willing to agree that if in that photo there were 16 plants under that one light, and they all had colas that big, on the top...

IT WILL YEILD MORE AS A TOTAL GROUP,

vs.

letting the plant bush as you say, and only being able to get... 4 bushy plants, under the same light.

Do you or do you not agree with that?
 
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sherriberry

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keep in mind too uncle ben...

while you are doing your "re-harvest"

We have already thrown the first plant away, and are on our way to blooming 16 new plants that have already veged and been lollipopped, and put them under the hps light in that same (4 bushy plant) area, and we will have yet... another full 16 plant harvest... again in a month.

So im not doubting that (per plant) you are getting the most...

but we arent in it for the guiness record for most off a single plant.

We are in it for the most in the least amount of time, in the least amount of area, with the least amount of lights running.

I think you should find someone with identical equipment to yourself (lights, etc) and set up a challenge, and whoever has harvested the most after 6 months from a designated area, will be the winner.
 
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Bob Smith

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sherriberry said:
keep in mind too uncle ben...

while you are doing your "re-harvest"

We have already thrown the first plant away, and are on our way to blooming 16 new plants that have already veged and been lollipopped, and put them under the hps light in that same (4 bushy plant) area, and we will have yet... another full 16 plant harvest... again in a month.

So im not doubting that (per plant) you are getting the most...

but we arent in it for the guiness record for most off a single plant.

We are in it for the most in the least amount of time, in the least amount of area, with the least amount of lights running.

I think you should find someone with identical equipment to yourself (lights, etc) and set up a challenge, and whoever has harvested the most after 6 months from a designated area, will be the winner.
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I guarantee that the lollipopped SOG will blow him away not only in terms of efficiency (much more herb), but also in terms of the quality of herb - is no one taking into account that people don't like smoking the popcorn at the bottom?

And that it takes as long to trim a 3g popcorn nug as it does to trim a 20g main cola?
 
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sherriberry

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if your last name is henry ford, are you going to admit a chevy corvette is faster than your mustang?

i think thats where this conversation is at...

lollipopping... as a word, does not have "uncle ben" in it, nor can he say he invented it.

"uncle bens topping and pruning technique".... does have his name in it.

This is where we are...

doesnt matter if motor trend tests a vette and shows superior numbers over a mustang 20 times... he will always have an excuse why the one with his name on it is a better car... its the same thing.
 
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Bob Smith

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sherriberry said:
if your last name is henry ford, are you going to admit a chevy corvette is faster than your mustang?

i think thats where this conversation is at...

lollipopping... as a word, does not have "uncle ben" in it, nor can he say he invented it.

"uncle bens topping and pruning technique".... does have his name in it.

This is where we are...

doesnt matter if motor trend tests a vette and shows superior numbers over a mustang 20 times... he will always have an excuse why the one with his name on it is a better car... its the same thing.
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Ironically enough, I top to produce two main colas (tied to bamboo stakes) and also trim away all the lower bud matter, so I guess I do the best of both worlds.

And I've been topping since way back when I thought Uncle Ben was some black guy on a rice box.
 
Corwin

Corwin

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sherriberry said:
uncle ben...

in his photos, he has 4 lollipopped plants...

but lots of space around them.

In that scenario, i agree, he may not have needed to lollipop them.

However, are you not willing to agree that if in that photo there were 16 plants under that one light, and they all had colas that big, on the top...

IT WILL YEILD MORE AS A TOTAL GROUP,

vs.

letting the plant bush as you say, and only being able to get... 4 bushy plants, under the same light.

Do you or do you not agree with that?
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Those are staged photos taken out of their grow area (but in a still in construction new grow area) for the photos. They were grown in 5" net pots with about 3" between pots. I am now growing in 5" square pots to maximize the amount of medium for the space. I will try to show a photo later of the plants in veg and how they occupy the space. They are literally pot against pot.

But in this scenario I have no time to wait for the lower branches to ripen after as there will be plants in veg waiting to take their space.
Nothing against any other method of growing If it works for ya great. I just like the production numbers this method seems to indicate it is capable of. I will continue to learn if it is all it is cracked up to be or not. But if it works as it should 1200g/m sq. with about 600w/m sq. in 8 weeks. This is about twice what most say they are acheiving with simular space/wattage inputs. Again I can only extrapolate as I was doing it very small scale to learn the processes. I will let ya know in 8 weeks or so How it worked out in the real world.

Again UB I have some Sannie's Jack that would not work to grow like this, it is a very tall plant compared to what I am growing. I have some stuff that takes 16 weeksd to flower and should not be grown this way, but little affies and other small Indicas may respond well.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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sherriberry said:
uncle ben...

in his photos, he has 4 lollipopped plants...

but lots of space around them.

In that scenario, i agree, he may not have needed to lollipop them.
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It's leaves that produce bud, anyway you want to spin it.

However, are you not willing to agree that if in that photo there were 16 plants under that one light, and they all had colas that big, on the top...

IT WILL YEILD MORE AS A TOTAL GROUP,

vs.

letting the plant bush as you say, and only being able to get... 4 bushy plants, under the same light.

Do you or do you not agree with that?
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You seem uncomfortable unless you are part of a group consensus. Here is an example of 8 large plants that were left to their own natural growth habits.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html

I report, you decide,
UB
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Bob Smith said:
I guarantee that the lollipopped SOG will blow him away not only in terms of efficiency (much more herb), but also in terms of the quality of herb - is no one taking into account that people don't like smoking the popcorn at the bottom?

And that it takes as long to trim a 3g popcorn nug as it does to trim a 20g main cola?
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There's that herd consensus drive working again. You need to read Mel Franks stuff which shows U. of Miss. studies concluding that the lower buds are usually higher in THC content than the upper ones.

UB
 
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Bob Smith

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Uncle Ben said:
There's that herd consensus drive working again. You need to read Mel Franks stuff which shows U. of Miss. studies concluding that the lower buds are usually higher in THC content than the upper ones.

UB
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What year were those studies done? Were most of us alive then?

No offense man, but I guess we (the herd, the rest of the world, 99.99999% of people, whatever you wanna call us) are all "crazy" and you must be the only sane one.

Do you not see the difference in growing styles and how different styles would require different pruning methods?

Like a perpetual harvest SOG plant needs to be pruned (and harvested all at once), where your "leisurely" grow can afford to have plants taking up space with only a bit of buds on them?

I mean, I'm stubborn, but you're really taking it to a new level.

I guess anytime someone makes point after point after point which shoots my theory to shit, I'm just gonna tell them that "they're part of the herd mentality".

And just to clarify, you're not the only one who doesn't flush - I'm a Lucas follower as well, and have seen some of your discussions with him on other websites.

Not discounting your experience at all, but just saying that "one size fits all" is almost never correct in growing.

It's just not.

Anyhow, I'm done now, good day to you and happy growing :bigjoint:
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Bob Smith said:
What year were those studies done? Were most of us alive then?
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I seriously doubt it.

.....but just saying that "one size fits all" is almost never correct in growing.
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Never said it did. No two gardens are alike.

Let's try this again - I said it's leaves that produce flowers. If you want to remove the very unit that makes you a success, then chop away....it's your garden.

UB
 
Katatawnic

Katatawnic

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blueybong said:
Note: I was in an auto accident 9 yrs ago(broken neck) and was left with little hand strength, so trimming a ton of popcorn buds was a total PITA. So my goal(totally experimental) to have one huge cola and a few large buds.
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My hands are arthritic... very painful and very little strength (can't play guitar anymore, BLAH!). Although I did trim the very lowest branches (mostly to increase air circulation at the base, as I grew some awfully bushy bushes) about two weeks into flowering, I still ended up with quite a few "popcorn" buds.

I cook with MMJ a lot, so as the trimming hurt my hands (and neck, and back, and hips, and... LOL) more as I went along, I finally got the "Screw it!" mentality and just clipped off anything that was very small and difficult to trim and allowed it to fall into the trim bag. After that dried, it was very easy to separate the little buds from the leaf, which I then cured for making butter, oil, tinture; food stuffs... as well as "quickie" smoke while waiting for the big stuff to dry and cure. (I sift the resin off of the leaves, but don't like to cook with them otherwise; even after curing, the food doesn't taste very good.)

While waiting for the large buds to dry and cure, I smoked some of the popcorn buds that had dried with the trim. The smoke was very smooth, and very potent... my pain level was quite tolerable within moments (which is all I ever get, no matter the medicine), and I slept like a baby. I also ended up high as a kite, because I hadn't expected those smaller & less mature buds to pack quite the punch they did. :eyesmoke: Needless to say, rather than "rush" a cure with my larger buds, I'm smoking the popcorns for now... I keep what I use daily in a small air-tight jar, so really they're still curing while I use them. And they're still much better than what I've been buying for years to manage chronic pain. :mrgreen:

I haven't formed a personal opinion RE: lollipopping either way... I do see both sides of the same coin, and certainly haven't grown enough cannabis to harvest to have a lot of experience under my belt yet. However, if one lollipops for more ease when trimming a harvest (or for less pain, such as blueybong and myself) rather than ability to grow more plants in a small space, etc., there are easy workarounds such as what I'm currently doing... I say "currently" because I may in all likelihood find a more efficient workaround in the future. ;)

I've found a great use for unwanted (or less wanted, lol) popcorn buds... anyone who knows me knows that I'm growing (I don't need to be lectured about "don't tell others you grow" and all that jazz, as my life has become extremely isolated and sheltered due to chronic illness, and the very few people in my life are 100% trustworthy; hell, they're the ones who encouraged me to grow!)... if I don't feel like sharing the best of my grow, I certainly don't feel "stingy" with the tiny babies! :mrgreen: My sons (19 & 22) don't complain in the least that they're getting free "dank" hand-me-downs from me... they're quite happy, dare I say grateful, to have my popcorn buds. :lol: My best friend was here a couple days ago, and he also was quite happy with the tiny buds... and was quite appreciative that I sent him home with enough to last him (a lightweight like me, lol) for the next few weeks or so.
 
del66666

del66666

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sherriberry said:
if your last name is henry ford, are you going to admit a chevy corvette is faster than your mustang?

i think thats where this conversation is at...

lollipopping... as a word, does not have "uncle ben" in it, nor can he say he invented it.

"uncle bens topping and pruning technique".... does have his name in it.

This is where we are...
:bigjoint:
im pretty sure that uncle bens so called topping techniques have been done by many others long before he even thought of it lol :bigjoint: hey ive just invented the wheel:bigjoint:
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Dr. Indica

Dr. Indica

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I could care less about lollypopping, but to hear that the bottom buds are more potent is just dumbfounding me........usually all of the lower buds do not have very many trichs on them, if any.....we call that shit " underbrush " and sell it to people we don't like......I'm also not a fan of Mel Frank, I find his work to be less than substandard. Just my thoughts because it goes against everything I have read and seen. bongsmilie

del66666 said:
im pretty sure that uncle bens so called topping techniques have been done by many others long before he even thought of it lol hey ive just invented the wheel
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Nothing on this site is new or not in a book already.:leaf:
 
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blueybong

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Katatawnic ~ thanks for sharing how you handle your popcorn buds. My last grow(1st grow) I had two WW that I topped and got four decent size colas. Only a few good size nuggets and a ton of popcorn size buds. I harvested the plants in stages(which majorly helped), taking the tops first and allowing the lower buds to mature. Unfortunately it didn't work out. By the time I got to the lower branches on the last plant my hands were giving out, so I just put the whole thing into a bag and drove to my daughters house and said, "Enjoy!!" Of course they were majorly happy. So this time I was hoping to get a much larger colas and a few decent size nuggets by trimming the lower branches. So far the development of the colas is rather nice.

"my life has become extremely isolated and sheltered due to chronic illness,"

I can relate. I use to hike 10 to 12 miles per day @ 10,000 to 12,000. I was a backpacker, mountain biker, sea-kayaker until I was crushed inside my pick-up by two trees. If it wasn't for pot, my life would not be tolerable. It takes away the burning in my arms, pain in my lower back, gives my an appetite, help with peeing and sleep; oh it is great for sleep.

Best to you!!!
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Dr. Indica said:
I'm also not a fan of Mel Frank, I find his work to be less than substandard. Just my thoughts because it goes against everything I have read and seen. bongsmilie

Nothing on this site is new or not in a book already.:leaf:
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It sounds like you're relying on forum hype as gospel and that you aren't comfortable with that which goes against the grain. It also sounds like you've never read his books nor checked out his graphical scientific studies. Guess we all have our comfort zones, mine resides within scientific data, not "feel good" stuff.

I have the upmost respect for Mel Frank. Of all the pot growing authors he is truly a master gardener and understands botany like no other. His studies regarding potency were conducted by the University of Mississippi, not some cheesy cannabis hydro vendor with a profit motive. Frank has also shown in studies that males can be more potent than females. Another fact that goes against The Herd and their insatiable need for group "consensus".

Lower buds are not subjected to the stresses that destroy THC - mainly light and heat. You toast the top of your cola and I guarantee you you've done toasted some THC. Again, Mel Frank discusses and graphically shows how negative factors (air, light, heat) over time will degrade THC into less desirable cannaboids.

If you didn't get juicy trichome laden buds, then you didn't handle your garden so you could. My bowl of lower buds shows tight, solid trichome covered buds.



It's not how dense the trichome field is that drives potency, it's the cannaboid profile that counts, another fact that goes against The Herd.

Shots of sugar coated buds are for vendors, photo ops used to sell seeds.

UB
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Dr. Indica said:
Nothing on this site is new or not in a book already.:leaf:
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That's a feeling not a fact. I invented the technique of pruning to get 4 main colas over 10 years ago. Guys like Arjan of Greenhouse seeds copied the concept/technique as shown in a recent Youtube regarding one of his indoor gardens. If you can show otherwise, then go for it.

im pretty sure that uncle bens so called topping techniques have been done by many others long before he even thought of it lol :bigjoint: hey ive just invented the wheel:bigjoint:
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You're "pretty sure", eh? del66666, sorry but you're wrong and doing nothing more than aligning yourself with a certain group of like minded members. There was no wheel to reinvent, unless you'd like to prove otherwise. Conjecture, anecdotal evidence, and sideways anger just doesn't cut it.

UB
 
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