I believe the Earth is growing because it absorbs solar radiation, and E=MC^2

Nevaeh420

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um dude i said "proof" cause you posted vids and labeled them as "proof"
The videos that I linked are proof, I'm not saying its 100% accurate proof but its some kind of evidence. You guys can discern for yourselves if its true proof or a logical fallacy.

what makes you think the equator has the most amount of plants on it? its actually a harsh area where plants don't exactly thrive.. wouldn't you think there are more plants in the northern hemisphere where there is more land? I understand what you are saying with Einsteins equations but you need to remember the earth as a whole is much more complex and as CN pointed out in a balanced state as of now. You wanna talk about theories!? well my theory is our solar system is getting smaller! i mean we already lost Pluto whats next?
I'm not a scientist, I'm a learner. I wish I had all the answers but I don't.

What I am saying is that the equator receives more sunlight then the poles and thusly, there is more energy that can POTENTIALLY be turned into mass, if My theory is correct. But even if there are less plants on land, near the equator; the ocean can still use algae or whatever to do the same thing as plants on land; and convert that energy into mass.

Yes what you are saying has merit, photons however are near massless and are not capable of converting into any other form, unlike neutrons, protons and electrons, which are interchangeable and will always change according to their mass. Neutrinos as you may know are capable of passing right through the earth because of their extremely small size and density. Keep in mind that the earth may also be giving off mass as it expends energy through space, which is a fabric and is ultimately the governor of all space-time.
You seem to know more about subatomic particles then Me. I haven't studied that in a long time.

If I'm using Einstein's equation properly, then I figure that any energy can be converted to mass with the correct catalyst or transducer. BUT you will need an enormous amount of energy to make an infinitesimal amount of mass that may seem like naught.

I also have a theory that you can create any element from copious amounts of energy; you can create gold, silver, platinum or any element. One day that will be a science unto itself- making gold (or whatever) from just energy.

I think maybe you are denying gravity a little in this theory also honestly.......reason I bring up fossil fuels being mostly plants is because the next new deposits buried deep under those new layers of rock soil and other crusty things is all around you right now and came from what is already sloshing about on the surface and from what was spewed from within......which is also what was once on the surface......gravity.....iron has a lot of it.....so the matter in plants comes from earth and the catalyst is the suns radiation.....you make it like the radiation creates matter.....my point is photosynthesis doesn't create new matter......and that the equator is a larger diameter than the poles because of acceleration......ever been to the drag strip and seen the top fuel dragsters light up the big back tires during a burnout??? think of the tires as the equator and the axle as the poles.....the tires dont weigh more when they're spun up, hope that helps.

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I believe you're right, and I also believe I'm right too. It could be a combination of what you're saying and what I'm saying. They might not be mutually exclusive.

What I'm trying to say is yes, electromagnetic radiation can create matter if you have enough radiation and you know what you're doing.

Really? How many volcanoes? Just ONE super-volcano (there are six, like the one under Yellowstone Park) has the potential to erupt spilling millions of tons of debris across the ENTIRE planet. It will block out the sun for decades, killing much of the plant life, hence animal life, on Earth. There are about 600 active volcanoes on Earth, and an unknown amount of submarine volcanoes. There have been millions of erupting volcanoes since the birth of our planet, it shouldn't be so hard to believe they are the source of our land masses...



Your beliefs are erroneous: look at the specious conspiracy theorist data, then look at the overwhelming expert, peer reviewed data. It's not even close to being in question. You choose beliefs based on feeling, not evidence, so of course you will be wrong most of the time. Learn to evaluate credible data instead of what sounds cool to you...




I see two links you posted. The fact that you post links that you, yourself have not even bothered to view tells us all we need to know about your integrity and credibility, which seems to be zero. That's what I mean about asking others to do your homework for you, "Here guys! Watch this shit and attempt to debunk it, for I cannot be bothered..." How lazy can one be?



Yes, and I'm sure most share my assessment of you...




It is NOT a theory, it is an idea you had based on ignorance. Please familiarize yourself with what a scientific theory is. It is the highest form of knowledge we possess, made up of many laws and facts, that has great predictive power. Your idea is not based on facts or physical laws, and has zero predictive power, so it is NOT a theory. What is the big deal of coming up with new theories or ideas? Just because something is novel doesn't make it valuable or credible. I am not intelligent or educated enough to come up with new theories, do you know how arduous it is to do that? No, of course you don't. You don't even know what goes into the process. Leave it to the adults, George...



Any credible geology source proves you wrong, you just don't know that because the only 'research' you've done is of wacky YT conspiracy videos...





You make it so easy, darling...



You have your peer review, everyone here is telling you the same thing. This is not a debate, it is a child yelling out for attention by spewing false crap, and the adults attempting to educate you (and you shitting all over that) telling you to settle down.




It seems that the rest of us are of average intellect, you are WELL below average...




Yes, YOU simply believe what you like. The proof is there, you will simply not review or acknowledge it...
Ok, you're right Tyler and I'm wrong... maybe or maybe not.

You're a smart guy, believe what you want. I don't need to convince you of anything, you're wonderful the way you are.

(To be honest, I just don't feel like properly answering your questions right now. Maybe later.)

EDIT-Tyler, since you're so much smarter then Me, why don't you understand that I'm just a layman doing My best? Why do you bother to admonish Me with such harsh words? Have I ever used harsh words with you? and don't even say that I called you an "asshole" because I believe I said, "I think you like being an asshole". Why do you bother debasing Me when you know I'm such a dolt? what good will it do? You should treat Me the way you would like to be treated. I try and treat you the way I would like to be treated. Could you talk to Me the same way that you would talk to yourself?

What of the sun's mass? Do you think the mass of the sun grows or shrinks as a result of the nuclear fusion reaction that provides the light which seems to be the source for your theory? That's the theory right, that sunlight = NEW mass?
Correct, I believe the sun is losing weight due to the nuclear reaction going on inside of the sun. So the sun loses a small amount of weight every second and converts it into energy; that's where we get the equation E=MC^2. My theory is the opposite, the energy gets converted back into mass at naught levels.

So when you said "That's the theory right, that sunlight = NEW mass?", I would say yes, thats the theory.

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Its just a theory from a layman guys, you don't need to beat Me all up about it. I'm not a scientist.

~PEACE~
 

jcdws602

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They already can make gold from other elements....yet another reason for you to study up on actual scientific data rather than youtube videos....

In a nuclear reactor gold can be manufactured by irradiation of platinum or mercury. Since platinum is more expensive than gold, platinum is economically unsuitable as a raw material. Only the mercury isotope Hg-196, which occurs with a frequency of 0.15% in natural mercury, can be converted to gold by neutron capture, and following K+- decay into Au-197 with slow neutrons.

Other mercury isotopes are converted when irradiated with slow neutrons into one another or formed mercury isotopes, which beta decay into thallium. Using fast neutrons, the mercury isotope Hg-198, which is contained to 9.97% in natural mercury, can be converted by splitting off a neutron and becoming Hg-197, which then disintegrates to stable gold.

This reaction, however, possesses a smaller activation cross-section and is feasible only with un-moderated reactors. It is also possible to eject several neutrons with very high energy into the other mercury isotopes in order to get the Hg-197. However such high-energy neutrons can be produced only by particle accelerators.
 

Nevaeh420

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They already can make gold from other elements....yet another reason for you to study up on actual scientific data rather than youtube videos....

In a nuclear reactor gold can be manufactured by irradiation of platinum or mercury. Since platinum is more expensive than gold, platinum is economically unsuitable as a raw material. Only the mercury isotope Hg-196, which occurs with a frequency of 0.15% in natural mercury, can be converted to gold by neutron capture, and following K+- decay into Au-197 with slow neutrons.

Other mercury isotopes are converted when irradiated with slow neutrons into one another or formed mercury isotopes, which beta decay into thallium. Using fast neutrons, the mercury isotope Hg-198, which is contained to 9.97% in natural mercury, can be converted by splitting off a neutron and becoming Hg-197, which then disintegrates to stable gold.

This reaction, however, possesses a smaller activation cross-section and is feasible only with un-moderated reactors. It is also possible to eject several neutrons with very high energy into the other mercury isotopes in order to get the Hg-197. However such high-energy neutrons can be produced only by particle accelerators.
Too much scientific jargon, to be honest; but I'm sure you're right about it.

So what's the next step?- maybe making WHOLE PLANETS out of GOLD!

I mean, if we now can create gold, why not make as much as possible and make planets out of the stuff? It would fulfill someone's dreams.

~PEACE~
 

jcdws602

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The thing that is stopping us is that it takes and enormous amount of energy to make very small amounts.........
 

Nevaeh420

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The thing that is stopping us is that it takes and enormous amount of energy to make very small amounts.........
I figured that much, but I'm sure in the future we will be able to tap into the energy of many, many stars and be able to use that energy any way we want to. But that is just speculation, but the way science is moving, it might not take that long.

EDIT- The ultimate source of power is the stars.

~PEACE~
 

heckler73

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I'd recommend watching Walter Lewin's Physics lectures from MIT if you really want to learn the basics, Nev.
 

twostrokenut

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They already can make gold from other elements....yet another reason for you to study up on actual scientific data rather than youtube videos....

In a nuclear reactor gold can be manufactured by irradiation of platinum or mercury. Since platinum is more expensive than gold, platinum is economically unsuitable as a raw material. Only the mercury isotope Hg-196, which occurs with a frequency of 0.15% in natural mercury, can be converted to gold by neutron capture, and following K+- decay into Au-197 with slow neutrons.

Other mercury isotopes are converted when irradiated with slow neutrons into one another or formed mercury isotopes, which beta decay into thallium. Using fast neutrons, the mercury isotope Hg-198, which is contained to 9.97% in natural mercury, can be converted by splitting off a neutron and becoming Hg-197, which then disintegrates to stable gold.

This reaction, however, possesses a smaller activation cross-section and is feasible only with un-moderated reactors. It is also possible to eject several neutrons with very high energy into the other mercury isotopes in order to get the Hg-197. However such high-energy neutrons can be produced only by particle accelerators.

I saw them do that in California with Hg-196 again in Japan.....iirc it is still way more expensive than gold given the energy bill required to convert the Mercury isotope, and the yield of converted gold.
 

tobinates559

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n case you guys didnt know, nevaeh420 thinks he is jesus christ reincarnated or something!! no joke..and i wouldnt be bragging about it the bible is evil as shit!! and the story of jesus has been told many times over many thousands of years with slight variations in each story sooooo IMHO jesus is purely fictional
 

mudminer

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Hi again George. In all honesty man, a utube vid is not proof of anything (based on its own existence) except that it is a utube vid. Also, I really think that your christ complex is holding you back, not simply because you have it (I really dont think any of us care whether or not you believe yourself to be the next coming) but because sometimes it seems to cause you to think that your ideas are infallibe in spite of what the vast majority consider to be common sense. Quite often you literally say the same exact things the same exact way, as if your mind is on a loop. It comes across to me like your trying harder to convince yourself rather than simply relate your thoughts and experiences to others. You say that you acknowledge and accept that a lot of these guys here are more advanced in their comprehension and application of science than you are. That is certainly the case with me as well (in more subjects and topics than just science) and thats why I defer to them on many occasions even if I dont post concerning it. Anyway, maybe you could investigate the info they offer before disregarding it on the basis that its in opposition to your "christly" ideas. Not trying to bust yer balls here dude just trying to promote a higher level of harmony. Im not saying youre "outwardly" rude to people but you must see how youre lack of consideration for the validity of their thoughts due to lack of investigation of them on your part is very frustrating and aggravating. Take care George and c ya.
 

tyler.durden

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Ok, you're right Tyler and I'm wrong... maybe or maybe not.

You're a smart guy, believe what you want. I don't need to convince you of anything, you're wonderful the way you are.

(To be honest, I just don't feel like properly answering your questions right now. Maybe later.)

EDIT-Tyler, since you're so much smarter then Me, why don't you understand that I'm just a layman doing My best?
You post ideas that you'd like to be true without any legitimate research or education, and often present them as fact or theory when they are neither. This is not anyone's 'best', it is lazy and undisciplined. That may float in T&T or other amusement sub-forums, but it has no place in the philosophy or science sections. You should be here to learn, you are in no position to teach or contribute anything until you educate yourself...

Why do you bother to admonish Me with such harsh words? Have I ever used harsh words with you? and don't even say that I called you an "asshole" because I believe I said, "I think you like being an asshole".
If you tell someone they like being an asshole, you are calling them an asshole. I do not mind harsh words sent my way, especially if I deserve them. If I pulled the shit that you regularly do, I'd expect nothing less...
Why do you bother debasing Me when you know I'm such a dolt? what good will it do?
I used to hope that it may help wake you up, but I've come to realize that is probably not going to happen because you don't want that to happen. When you debase subjects that I love, like science and philosophy, you have it coming right back to you. Now, I mainly address your posts so that other more impressionable members may not fall for your errors...

You should treat Me the way you would like to be treated. I try and treat you the way I would like to be treated. Could you talk to Me the same way that you would talk to yourself?
I do. When I've posted erroneous bullshit, more educated members correct me and supply links whereby I can review their sources and their data to verify the content of what they've posted. I am healthy enough to take their corrections, and to change my beliefs and outlook accordingly (by a preponderance of the evidence). You do the opposite: you are given evidence of why your views are erroneous (which shouldn't be a surprise when you haven't sufficiently studied a subject), and completely ignore the corrections. You keep the same ignorance and perspectives no matter how many times you are shown that you are wrong. This does not indicate a healthy mind, and it shows that you are not concerned with the facts of objective reality, science, or reason. You believe the things you do because you want to be original, or because they make you feel good, but this is an irresponsible way to form beliefs and a major reason that you are incorrect on most things that you post...
 

Doer

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What is wrong with you, Nev? I thought at first, you would be interested in replacing your bullshit thought processes with something useful.

If you really knew what that E = M x c x c meant, you would hang your head, in the shame, you bring to the Science section.

This is not T&T where you can put lipstick on your pig and have it win a beauty contest.

Knock off the belief stuff. This is the opposite of belief. We created science to be against this backward flailing of personal belief.

And why, in Science and Tech, do we ever have to encounter your Beliefs?

Stop being a little kid, OK? We have no interests in your beliefs here. And the Egoistical way you state all this makes me want to puke.

You are a revisionist. Go to where that is acceptable.
 

Padawanbater2

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Like Doer above you stated, we have no interest in your stupid beliefs as they have no place here. Fuck off and stop spamming a board that members put honest effort into, you do not belong here...
He's getting the same treatment there, too;

"I'm not saying you're not a layman, I'm saying that when you posit one idea and people show you how it is flawed, you should adjust your idea accordingly based on new information and you haven't done that. When someone, especially regarding science, tells you how something is incorrect it's not an attack on your character or a way of calling you stupid, it's helping you understand so that you can adapt your knowledge and work out theories that are more feasible. You refuse to do this...when someone says you are wrong your only answer is "well my ideas are good for a layman."

One of your "critics" on the other site actually told you he could recommend hundreds of books for you to read so that you could reason these things out with a little more knowledge and yet here you are presenting the exact same idea to us.
 
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