hip hip heray

yum114 said:

I understand your logic. But then again I think, if people weren't paying these dispensary prices they wouldn't be selling the Meds for so much. Not so much compassion in a world that you not only have to buy water but even air comes in a can for a price. Anyone been to Cali dispensaries? They have much more Meds in the state of cali than they do in Oregon but the dispensary prices in Cali are even higher! Ppl there will go to a dispensary and let the good strain sit on the shelf for a month based on the prices being too LOW! ridiculous I know but it's the way MOST if not ALL markets work. Supply and demand. These dispensaries are paying a lot for furniture, rent, electricity, and risking a lot to be open. In my eyes, they should be able to charge whatever they want as long as they aren't FORCING ppl to buy their product. And I have yet to see someone buying against their will.

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See at least you are able to show knowledge for this subject, even if we don't see eye-to-eye, it's refreshing. I understand where dispensaries are coming from when they have higher prices, as you said they risk a lot and they too have bills to pay. Unfortunately those that go to dispensaries believe that they are getting the best of the best, which is why many of them have no problem dishing out more cash, half of selling weed is just hyping it up enough for people to want it enough to pay more, while in college I don't know how many of the guys I bought tried telling me the shit I was getting was all these top-name strains, name dropping is all it takes to get people to want something now-a-days.

Where a lot of the MMJ patients here get their "happiness for people getting jailed" is just the fact that they are seeing these people going to dispensaries and paying these high prices because of the convenience or lack of a legit caregiver, another reason I support dispensaries getting legalized here. Unfortunately many of the older patients don't have the means, time, or even health to grow it themselves and at their age they don't exactly have friends jumping at the opportunity to grow for them, causing them to go to the dispensaries to get their medicine. Some OMMP caregivers that follow the laws and don't charge their patients for their meds could see this as dispensaries taking advantage of them which just isn't right. Taking advantage of those that do need MMJ for medical purposes by opening illegal dispensaries behind a loop hole in the MMJ laws is what get's so many of us worked up.

While I know that not all of us will see eye-to-eye, I usually try to see things from both sides. I understand that many of these owners might just be trying to open a legit business to help people, and I understand how others can see them as taking advantage of OMMP members. Dispensaries aren't going away, we all know that, we just hope they can start representing MMJ in Oregon better instead of looking like a "criminal" business and causing outsiders to look down upon other OMMP members.

mygirls said:

yep its ilegal to sell. whats it take for you to understand that it is ilegal to sell, trade, or recive donations.. they are the one that are going to fuck it all up for us all.. fucking pot dealers..

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false. ommp allows "reimbursement for cost of supplies and utilities associated with producing".

you have consistently mischaracterized this. for what end? i have no fucking clue.

mygirls said:

no its hip hip huray they got busted for opperating ilegally.

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so you'd be happy and saying "hip hip hurray" if the feds came and took your grow?

i highly fucking doubt that.

mygirls said:

fact its against the law to sell marijuana..

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fact: in 30+ states, it is illegal to possess marijuana.

would you be happy to see every citizen that has a bag in each of those states get arrested?

you seriously sound like the prohibitionists that condemn cannabis but not alcohol or tobacco because of legal status.

you are fighting a stupid battle. this hill is not worth trying to take. retire to lower ground.

fact: no one has ever been forced to get weed from a dispensary. it is a voluntary action between two consenting adults.

how does shutting down a dispensary help anyone? people had a place where they could go and get their meds if they did not or could not grow for themselves. or if they had a shitty grower. or if they had a good grower that suffered some kind of catastrophe to the grow. or if they simply thought it was convenient.

now, the truly ill and suffering patients in these situations will be relegated to a more shadowy, less reliable, more dangerous avenue to get their needed medicine.

hip hip hurray? that makes me sick.

Another article on the situation, trying to have the feds stay out and just let the state authorities deal with it.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/123602414.html

i wonder if blacks would still be forced to the back of the bus if it was not for the civil disobedience that got many pioneering blacks arrested.

illegal does not entail immoral. sometimes, it is just the opposite.

thomas jefferson said: If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.

I think that mygirls was the only one cheering this....overall, I think everyone needs to take one thing away from this thread......GET OUT AND VOTE! Change our laws. I totally agree that there is nothing immoral about marijuana, or selling it for that matter. We just need to convince the rest of the non smoking world out there that we deserve the right to handle our own decisions in private. Right now, the only thing bad about smoking marijuana or selling marijuana is that you could get thrown in jail or prison.

Even though we know it is not immoral, we still have to get over 50 percent of voters to give us a chance, so while we are waiting......let's put our best foot forward....

Very well said!
I respect ALL opinions, but I don't respect people being jailed for reasons related to marijuana regardless the circumstances!
Even if they are "taking advantage of the patients" these are the same patients that have the CHOICE (keyword choice) to buy from these dispensaries.

UncleBuck said:

i wonder if blacks would still be forced to the back of the bus if it was not for the civil disobedience that got many pioneering blacks arrested.

illegal does not entail immoral. sometimes, it is just the opposite.

thomas jefferson said: If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.

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For those who have a problem with pricing, would you take care of these owners' families, bills, and lawyer fees if their prices were 20 dollars an 8th and the Feds ran in and took everything. Everyone talks so much shut about ppl actually doing this marijuana selling but no one willing to show compassion when these folks are in trouble. Most of you don't even go out and vote

on the way back from the store today, i jaywalked.

this action impinged on the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of as many people as the actions of the dispensaries: zero.

i have been trying to play nice and not fling insults around, but if mygirls and mcpurple come back cheering this again, i my just have to break my streak.

Uncle buck, have you ever seen the movie "uncle buck"? Lol funny shit

yum114 said:

Uncle buck, have you ever seen the movie "uncle buck"? Lol funny shit

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i probably know every line. classic.

john hughes for president.

look dispensaries are illegal in oregon. period. if you dont like that then next time get the f*** out and vote. if you are setting up a dispensary then you are breaking state law. its not a "grey" area its a black and white area. I've been looking at these guys in disbelief that they would be so brazen as to put their dispensaries in front of everyone and basically say "i don't care what the law is im going to do whatever i want." thats a bad business plan in my books.

dirk d said:

look dispensaries are illegal in oregon. period. if you dont like that then next time get the f*** out and vote. if you are setting up a dispensary then you are breaking state law. its not a "grey" area its a black and white area. I've been looking at these guys in disbelief that they would be so brazen as to put their dispensaries in front of everyone and basically say "i don't care what the law is im going to do whatever i want." thats a bad business plan in my books.

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so, hip hip hurray that they got shut down then?

a voluntary action between two consenting adults that hurts no one, hip hip hurray that got stopped?

and it is a grey area, not black and white. the law allows reimbursement for cost of supplies and utilities associated with producing.

edit - of course, no dispensary could really pull this off as the costs of renting the storefront are not part of producing the meds. alsoi also looked on in disbelief as these shops went up. i knew it was only a matter of time, but still. they are the new pioneers.

So, moving on from the arguing finally, what do you guys think should be done, legal wise, other than just "legalize it?" (we all know that can't just happen overnight) I still am all for clubs/dispensaries, whatever you prefer to call them, being a "private" place for OMMP members to gather, smoke and network. When it comes to this grey area though I think to help everyone out when it comes to the law and take trading, selling, donating, etc. of meds to a private residence, that way it doesn't seem like the clubs are selling to the patients/caregivers.

I for one haven't been to a club here in Oregon yet but try to at least get some kind of info. on them if I ever decide to go check one out. I know that some clubs around the state started off kind of similar to my idea, a sort of "AA" for OMMP patients. People meeting weekly or monthly, what have you, and networking with other OMMP members and having a place to discuss MMJ. If they can get enough money to afford a building of their own so that they can continue to meet up as well as enjoy a smoke at the same time, why not?

im not happy that they got shut down. i believe everyone has a right to clean and high quality meds. the grey area is for growers and their patients imo. dispensaries got shot down hard in the last election, so where is the "grey" area about them? i voted in favor of them. i dont believe opening dispensaries after they got voted down is a smart thing to do. it puts a lot of negative publicity on a mmj movement to at least legalized dispensaries. and i rather have our pioneers try to get people out to vote next time to legalize dispensaries. all im saying.

dirk d said:

im not happy that they got shut down. i believe everyone has a right to clean and high quality meds. the grey area is for growers and their patients imo. dispensaries got shot down hard in the last election, so where is the "grey" area about them? i voted in favor of them. i dont believe opening dispensaries after they got voted down is a smart thing to do. it puts a lot of negative publicity on a mmj movement to at least legalized dispensaries. and i rather have our pioneers try to get people out to vote next time to legalize dispensaries. all im saying.

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yeah, i voted for 74 as well, was ready to plop down $1k for the producer's license, thought that there was no way it would not pass.

i cried when that thing got shot down. and by such a large margin. never expected that in this state.

UncleBuck said:

yeah, i voted for 74 as well, was ready to plop down $1k for the producer's license, thought that there was no way it would not pass.

i cried when that thing got shot down. and by such a large margin. never expected that in this state.

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A few partners and I were totally ready to start setting up shop, had the start up money was just waiting for the green light to get a shop and start setting up. Voted yes on 74 and had dreams of a glorious job in the near future, I was pretty bummed when it got shot down, as well UB, was really looking forward to that opportunity.

Now in the beginning stages of starting up a coffee shop with the club in mind, just in case

i think that the smart law abiding people were ready to open dispensaries but when it got shot down so hard, they all stepped away. then the stupid, greedy, illegal people suddenly had some drug induced idea that they could make a lot of money buy opening dispensaries anyways, of course there is always the exception. they were just going to look for the loop hole. it was a gamble and i dont think its going to end up very good for them.

What do you guys think will happen if the feds end up backing off and letting the Oregon deal with it? Think any of these people will be facing jail time or just some stiff fines and closing of the shop(s)?