hip hip heray

i agree with it and not argue. but i think their is still a few up and running, a new pone just opened in ashland. and the guys who got theris raided a few months back are now out on bail ( wonder where they got the cash from?) and are trying to re open the shop ina new location. they are idiots.

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well it has finaly happens. no more dispenceries here in oregon and that means no more comercial growing for most of these grower.. hip hip haray.. i have been saying that the so called word DONATION means SELLING in the eyes of your state still.. oregons is the 1st to shut down the clubs and your states next..lets see whos going to argue this..​

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I dont understand your position on this. Does this not set back the legalization of MJ. How is this helpful.

Seems like your cheering for the wrong team.

clubs in oreogn are doing illegal actions, making us who arent doing anything wrong look bad and new laws get introduced to make the MMJ programs more strict, do to assholes selling and trying to say its a donation.
so no we are not really moving back at all, more like forward for the people who really need MMJ and dont just want to grow and sell.
some might say we are but those are the ones who are benefiting from teh clubs, you know making money off meds at street prices.

ya fuck a club/ dispensery. just grow your own, its still cheaper then the clubs

ya well i think u suck...........the rest of the country would like it legalized and your going backward not forward .......selfish dumbass

I think mygirls would like to see it legalized too,just not on the terms that were in place maybe?

I kinda agree on the "screw a club.....leave us alone and let us grow for our selves" way of thinkin.

need to take it any way u can get it......i would seriously give my left nut.......seriously

This can be a good and bad thing......bad because there are legitimate patients that use these clubs because their grower either sucks, or does not grow the perfect medicine for them, OR because they JUST got their card, and their grower has not had time to get a harvest in yet. Keep that in mind. These clubs were also ok with us getting together with patients and GIVING them medicine there, so I do not have to give my address to anyone, or exchange medicine in public.

This can also be a good thing, because some of these guys are just trying to get rich. I know for a fact that OMMProviders is a FOR PROFIT business, and he advertises that they are Not for profit. So, to me, getting people like that out of the business is a good thing.

Folks, WE HAVE TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD, in order for this to work for everyone. What that means is this........if we open dispensaries in a grey area, then we need to be non profits, giving a lot to the community and needy patients, and design a business that will be good for the COMMUNITY. This is the way the public will change their opinions on medical marijuana......by us doing the right things, and putting the right people in the positions to do the most good. Problem is, that many owners (not all) are just in it for money. The owner of OMMProviders did not know crap about growing, or anything, and just made mistake after mistake with his business. We need passion and compassion in this industry, if we want approval. Passion will lead to great medicine, and compassion will lead to creating a giving, supportive marijuana community.

And just to point out, not all the owners are lacking passion. When you write up a business plan for a dispensary, remember.........the more you do to help the community as a whole, the more they will accept and encourage your growth. We need to be able to make money, but we need this industry to succeed FIRST, then we can ALL do well.

I am glad I am not in with the dispensaries right now. Has to be tough to be shut down like that. I can tell you, I will miss the networking, and ability to discuss growing techniques, etc face to face. I will miss the MASSIVE SELECTION, which helped me become a more discerning patient. I will especially miss the BHO several guys had down at Cannabliss. And the friendly folks down there, too!

Keep growing, stay legal, and when we get the opportunity to do it legally.......go out and make a difference in the community......lets show them what money in the hands of good people can do!

wayno30 said:

need to take it any way u can get it......i would seriously give my left nut.......seriously

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You should be the face of legalization for Marijuana in Oregon...not. This mindset of "getting it any way you can get it" is EXACTLY the reason legalization hasn't happened, why would you go about growing your own MMJ or getting a caregiver and going about it all LEGALL when you can go to a street dealer (probably a high school or college kid just trying to get MONEY) and further give the government a reason to continue this "War on Drugs?"...that, WAYNO, is NOT moving forward, but rather BACKWARD.

Before you go around calling mygirls and other's in this forum a "dumbass" you need to actually READ what is going on in Oregon with our MMJ laws. Once you actually READ and KNOW what is going on here with the laws I highly doubt that you would think we are going backwards, or that those that support the clubs/dispensaries are being "selfish."

Did you not know that house bill 3664, plus 20+ other bills have been DEFEATED because of activists and lobbyists? Why do I have a feeling your single nut mind didn't know that...could it be because you don't have any actual knowledge when it comes to the MMJ movement in our state and it moving forward, instead of backward?

These dispensaries are ILLEGAL (Measure 74 failed back in Novemeber, did you vote, wayno?) here in Oregon and the grey area just causes more trouble for MMJ patients and caregivers alike throughout the state. There might be a few clubs here in Oregon that actually care about their patients and not the profits they get, but it is STILL ILLEGAL. I support the clubs that are hoping to give patients and caregivers a place to network within the local community, as well as a private place to smoke, but I think that the "trading" of medicine and clones and such should be done on their own PRIVATE RESIDENCE.

Think about the patients, caregivers and their families that could be affected by a DEA raid on their house because they were a member at a club that was in the grey area? I would really like to hear your logic as to how we are going backwards by enforcing our state's MMJ laws so that the FEDS don't get even more involved in our state...do you want the FEDS diverting more attention to Oregon? I sure as hell don't.

Now how about you go ahead and take some time read what is going on around here to actually inform yourself on the current MMJ situation in Oregon rather than contributing absolutely nothing to this conversation other than brainless, testicle missing, uneducated comments with no actual intelligence behind them?

so either u want to smoke for free or u want to sell it ......... the stores werent supposed to sell it and they were so the state shut them down ............who does this benefit .........

and all you comercial growers that are not with in the legal limits better be, cuz mark my words the compliance checkes are coming next... u can trust in that.

no arguement here ... commercialization is never a good thing for a product....

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......... the stores werent supposed to sell it and they were so the state shut them down ............who does this benefit .........

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It benefits each and every Oregon patient that cares about their rights and freedom. Am I saying that dispensaries in general are bad and should be illegal, nope, but as of right now they ARE ILLEGAL and by opening them, and serving patients with essentially "illegal" services the club owners aren't only putting themselves at risk, but their members, their employees, their families, the landlord and so on, it's not like it just effects the club owners, it effects anyone and everyone directly involved with the club.

Yes, dispensaries can be very positive and helpful for the patients that don't have caregivers or the means to grow on their own, but unfortunately...for now...the LAW prohibits this from going on, "businesses" aren't allowed to distribute medicine to patients, dispensaries are ILLEGAL (I really don't understand what's so hard to understand.) As I stated before, clubs that allow a place for patients and growers alike to network and meet each other in the local community and help each other out, this is the extent I think clubs should "be" while "dispensaries" are ILLEGAL. The moment that these clubs allow medicine to be distributed on their property they are breaking the law.

For now the laws against dispensaries are, yes, more or less a hassle to MMJ cardholders that just want to find a safe place to obtain their medicine. For now I am against dispensaries because they are ILLEGAL here in Oregon, but if, in the future, they do in fact become LEGAL, I will support them. However, as of right now with dispensaries being ILLEGAL I am against them. I am not against dispensaries simply because they are exploiting a grey area in our MMJ laws or the patients that don't have the "hook ups" but rather for the risk they are putting their members in...Also for the bad publicity ILLEGAL dispensaries in Oregon give MMJ. How many of these clubs/dispensaries have been publicily scrutinized, or protested against because they are seen as ways for people to ILLEGALLY obtain marijuana? The bad face it is giving MMJ is, as you are so concerned about, wayno, moving legalization backward. If those that "support" the MMJ movemement here in Oregon are breaking the law by opening these dispensaries why would we think the government would WANT to legalize it? We need to not get GREEDY and accept that these are...for now...ILLEGAL. Until they are legal it will continue giving those against MMJ ammunition to keep legalization out of reach for us.

Now, answer my quesion if you possibly can, Wayno, who does it benefit to fight this LAW and get the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT involved, which in turns puts the rest of the LAW-following MMJ community at risk?

it would benefit the whole dam country and prolly the rest of the world .......

what the hell is wrong with u?

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it would benefit the whole dam country and prolly the rest of the world .......

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Rather than repeating yourself how about you actually give an answer...How would ILLEGAL dispensaries benefit the legalization movement? All these ILLEGAL businesses are doing is prove those against MMJ right...making MMJ cardholders look like criminals rather than patients trying to get medicine. I suppose you think that drug cartels supplying people with marijuana is a good look for the MMJ movement too, huh? As I stated in my last post (if you were to READ you might have caught on) I support dispensaries and what they are supposed to be used for...helping patients get the medicine they need. Now, do I support ILLEGAL dispensaries that are using a grey area in a law to make themselves a profit? No, I abso-fucking-lutely do not, that is not an image MMJ in Oregon needs nor one that will help in Marijuana being legalized. Don't forget, if we blaze a trail that shows MMJ users, or just Marijuana users in general can abide by the [state] law, other states might catch on, and eventually lead to country wide legalization, for MMJ at least (which is just fine). Ever hear the saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day"? Well, if you can learn what that means you might realize these ILLEGAL dispensaries aren't contributing to this trail we could be setting, but rather blazing the trail for our government to continue denying (the "criminals" MMJ cardholders are being perceived as) a LEGAL way to get their medicine and get hassled for no reason.

Now, answer with knowledge and/or facts and you MIGHT make yourself useful to this conversation. Until then stop skipping class to smoke weed, get an education, and once you graduate and can knowledgably contribute to the MMJ world you will understand MMJ and dispensaries aren't just about getting high and smoking dope. It is about getting MEDICINE to people in need of it...not kids or people that want to exploit MMJ and just get high without having to worry about STATE consequences. You probably would try telling the FEDS that you are legal and it's okay you are selling marijuana, right?

Here's a new article about the situation for you guys, http://www.seattleweekly.com/2011-06-08/news/ore-gone-crazy/

You should probably read that and learn something, wayno30. As it says in that very article, "There's no wiggle room here; a law is a law is a law, and it is a prosecutor's duty to uphold that law no matter how misguided or ineffective it may be."
Do you understand that? All that these ILLEGAL dispensaries are doing is (and I say it ONCE AGAIN) fueling the fire for those opposed to MMJ and try to claim that MMJ leads to an increase in the use by minors, which we all know isn't true. It doesn't exactly help MMJ's argument when there are new ILLEGAL dispensaries that pop up more frequently now in our state that are WILLFULLY breaking the law and in turn are giving MMJ less of a reason to be legal.

and those designated caregivers are the ones who will benefit from it .......i read your article.....so u guys are happy the competition is out of business.............good deal for u bad for the rest of the world .........i suppose when u increase production to meet demand u will be over your limit and breaking the law? or stay within the law and charge more ....will that help anybody? .......your answer......illegal dispensaries will help the legalization movement just by being there .......y is there medical weed now........cause lots of people got busted and complained ....because weed is becoming more common place everyday ....because it truly helps people ........if laws that are unfair and unjust are not broken they will never change .......are u a cop?

I am going to repeat myself just once more for yourself, and I will do it at the beginning of this post in hopes you read all the way through, though I do realize it might not help your comprehension of my posts.

I SUPPORT CLUBS THAT WANT TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR OMMP MEMBERS TO SMOKE IN PRIVATE AS WELL AS NETWORK WITH CAREGIVERS AND OTHER MEMBERS ALIKE. AS SOON AS THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SELL THEIR PRODUCT TO OTHERS THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW, WHICH IS WHAT I WILL NOT SUPPORT UNTIL IT IS LEGALIZED TO SELL MARIJUANA, MEDICAL OR NOT.

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y is there medical weed now........cause lots of people got busted and complained

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Once again, you should be the face for Oregon MMJ...not. Are you meaning to tell me that because a bunch of people got together and complained about marijuana being illegal they decided to change the laws? By that theory the War on Drugs should be over by now cause there is a WORLD of people that have complained about that and it is still going on.

The research on medical marijuana throughout the years and all of that has NOTHING to do with legalizing MMJ, no, it was the complaining about getting busted. People VOTED for MMJ, it's not like one moment people were bitching to our government and then all of the sudden they legalized it, no, we the people VOTED for MMJ because of the POSITIVES that were being brought to the surface. While these dispensaries might have the best intention possible, it is giving MMJ a NEGATIVE reputation towards those voters that aren't part of the MMJ world.

wayno30 said:

your answer......illegal dispensaries will help the legalization movement just by being there .......

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Let's analyze this. So just by "being there" they are helping legalization? How so? Yes, they are providing medicine for their members and they are doing a "good" deed, but in the eyes of the LAW this is ILLEGAL. By simply 'being there" as you stated, they are giving off the perception to those against MMJ that OMMP members are just criminals that disregard the LAW so why would those opposing MMJ and the legalization of marijuana if all they see is exactly what they talk about?...marijuana users that continue to not care about the LAWS put into place. How do you expect to sway their vote the next time legalizing dispensaries are on the ballot if they continue to see "dispensaries" in a criminal light?

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and those designated caregivers are the ones who will benefit from it .......i read your article.....so u guys are happy the competition is out of business.............good deal for u bad for the rest of the world .........i suppose when u increase production to meet demand u will be over your limit and breaking the law? or stay within the law and charge more ....will that help anybody?

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A good caregiver doesn't charge, ask any credible grower on here, in any state. Patients typically will help their caregiver with the costs of the equipment it takes for the caregiver to grow their medicine...they don't pay for anything when they get their medicine.

Don't forget...SELLING marijuana is ILLEGAL whether it is medical or not, which is where the dispensaries run into their legal trouble, they are "SELLING" marijuana and that is the problem here. Those caregivers that DO charge for their production are also SELLING ILLEGALLY they just aren't advertising on the internet or wide open out in public where the government can bust them, as what is happening with dispensaries here.

Now, once again, in order to get marijuana legalized, MMJ or any other form, it takes a vote by the people. As much as we know how harmless these dispensaries actually are, as harmless as we know marijuana is and as stupid as we know this prohibition on marijuana to be dont forget we aren't the only ones that get a say/vote. The people that don't use MMJ or marijuana in general still get to vote on the subject and if MMJ is seen as a law-breaking community why would it sway those to vote for these "criminals" they see breaking the law in the media?

Wrap you head around the FACT that SELLING MMJ is ILLEGAL and that is why these dispensaries are getting heat and you might actually understand that legalization is very much in fact taking steps forward with this. Once dispensaries are legalized I will support them, but until then I can't support something that is blatantly dis-obeying the laws in the name of MMJ.

bottom line some guys that were selling weed got busted and u think its a good thing ......thats messed up