hempy collective re-vised

SirTitanium

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I've been searching the net for two days for accurate info on the Lucas system and (clearly) have failed. Do you have a link you can post?

Damn, you wouldn't believe how many hundreds of sites carry the very formulation that I linked to. To think it's plain wrong is depressing.
 

SirTitanium

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Back to Hempy, what's your preference on starting seedlings and transplanting them. I'm using 16OZ party cups to 3G bucket, perlite #4 to perlite #4. Do you use any dirt at the beginning to initiate the root system?
 

Xare

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I read all of Lucas's posts a few months ago on CW.

Best to get the info from the horses mouth so to speak.

But all the information about recirculating reservoirs have no relevance to hempys. All you need to know is mix up a fresh batch of nutes 8ml micro and 16ml bloom per gallon of water. And give it to your plants when they are dry.

I like to use a PH of 6.0 to 6.3 maybe even higher but never lower.

I see clear problems if the hempys are running 5.5 PH - Yellow growing tips and lockouts.
 

Xare

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Back to Hempy, what's your preference on starting seedlings and transplanting them. I'm using 16OZ party cups to 3G bucket, perlite #4 to perlite #4. Do you use any dirt at the beginning to initiate the root system?
I dont do seeds in my hempy's because they grow weakly till they mature.

I run clones of a really nice cut in a SOG.

Take a cut from the mother - root it in a bubble cloner - transplant it right into a hempy.
 

SirTitanium

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I found the thread. 1032 replies. Jeez.

Thanks for all your time and help. New beans came! Time to quit jabbering.
 

cripes0103

Active Member
Hey, quick question. If I start running a 4 plant hempy setup with 6 inch clones of NL#5 using Lucas w/ RO water and 100% perlite starting in a 32oz cup for the first week of veg then a 3 gal bucket for a 2nd week of veg, then flip it to 12/12 after those 2 weeks under a 400w HPS the entire time (with ~100w supplemental 6500k CFL's during veg), do you think I could realistically expect 2oz off each plant? My only goal for my next grow is to successfully get a 1/2 LB. Does this sound like the best way for me to go about getting my 1/2 LB or would someone suggest something different (such as SOG with more plants or fewer larger plants) Thanks for any help!

EDIT: OK, it isn't my only goal but its one of my main goals. Obviously I want the most potent amazing buds I've ever smoked, but since I wont be able to do another grow for a while (uncertain room mate situation starting in December) I need to get some weight to last me.
 

Xare

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Hey, quick question. If I start running a 4 plant hempy setup with 6 inch clones of NL#5 using Lucas w/ RO water and 100% perlite starting in a 32oz cup for the first week of veg then a 3 gal bucket for a 2nd week of veg, then flip it to 12/12 after those 2 weeks under a 400w HPS the entire time (with ~100w supplemental 6500k CFL's during veg), do you think I could realistically expect 2oz off each plant? My only goal for my next grow is to successfully get a 1/2 LB. Does this sound like the best way for me to go about getting my 1/2 LB or would someone suggest something different (such as SOG with more plants or fewer larger plants) Thanks for any help!

EDIT: OK, it isn't my only goal but its one of my main goals. Obviously I want the most potent amazing buds I've ever smoked, but since I wont be able to do another grow for a while (uncertain room mate situation starting in December) I need to get some weight to last me.

My first grow indoor and with hempys under a 400 watt hps yielded me a 1/2 pound of some nice hydro. I did a SOG 25 clones in a 4x4, now ive moved onto a 600 watt with better genetics.

I think you could get the 1/2 pound with 4 plants but it would take some more veg work and training of the plant. Two weeks veg does not seem like enough but i have no experience growing that way.

I do know that you would be better off planting the clone directly into the big bucket skipping the transplant from the smaller 32 oz cup
 

cripes0103

Active Member
Unfortunately I don't have any mothers that I can take clones off of right now, so I'd have to buy them all from a dispensary and 25 clones at $10-$15 each is definitely not in my budget, haha. Do you think it would be better for me to use a couple more girls, so a total of 6? I'm just worried about overcrowding since last grow I tried to shove too many plants in too small a space and only ended up with 39g's off of 3 plants. I plan on using approximately a 3x3 space with either 2 or 3 gal buckets.
 

Little Tommy

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Your goal is achievable with four plants, you will just need to veg them longer. It would probably take about 6 weeks to get them to a proper height (18-24") before flipping to 12/12.
 

cripes0103

Active Member
Awesome, thats what I like to hear! Thanks for the responses LT and Xare, glad we have the hempy collective around to ask these questions.
 

shnkrmn

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I quit growing hempy style early this year. I ran into problems of scale what with 30 5 gallon buckets to take care of; that's a lot of perlite! I needed a little automation. But I'll always have a soft spot for hempy, it's how I grew my first good plants. Rock on, the collective!
 

Tarkfu

Member
The following is copied and pasted from another thread I started that got no responses, I figured it was relevant here, since I am a hempy grower. Maybe some of you guys will have some insight to my grow.


These 2 plants were germed from seed on July 7th. What is strange to me is that the one with the P deficiency (at least by my diagnosis, if you think differently please let me know) seems to still be growing faster than the one showing hardly any signs of deficiency. I have kept an offline journal documenting what I've been doing and how Ive been figuring out what the problems are. I have made mistakes (hempy bucket and I tried to use guano to fix at first) but all in all I think I'm doing OK, not great, but they havent died yet.


I am using hempy bucket, this is my first grow, I am using FloraNova series. I was using strictly the Grow and using just grow is when the first signs of the deficiency started (so I wouldn't recommend just grow for vegging). My plan was to use just the Grow and Bloom formulas as instructed on the bottles, and start adding in molasses and hygrozyme on every 3rd feeding (deficiency showed before I started this). I water and feed on alternating days. My view is that with hempy bucket I can't overwater so I water put something through my buckets every day to keep salts from building up. I know I don't have to do this, but nothing bad can come from it. I have been flushing with 2 gallons per plant weekly or as needed. I flushed when I first noticed the deficiency and then gave just water for 4 days because at first I thought it was nute burn. When it kept getting worse with just water is when I figured out it was P deficiency.

I tried to FIM both, but apparently I missed with the Fuck I Missed technique, and instead of getting multiple tops back, I got mangled leaves. So after that grew through, I topped the plant who eventually got the deficiency. (thinking now maybe that small added stress caused the deficiency, or was a catalyst for it) I LSTed the other around the same time. I have now also LSTed the plant that I topped and will continue to tie them both down again every few nodes to flower some bushes. I have also converted to just the FloraNova Bloom. I have read that 8ml of this per gallon is the equivalent of the Lucas formula.

The reason I tried to add guano in the first place was because to my understanding the FloraNova system was organic. So I wanted to keep using organics to try and fix the problem. (I made tea with the indo guano high in P). Then I learned that in hempys I don't have the bacteria in the root system for guano to break down all the way into base elements. So I scrapped that along with the plan to eventually use molasses and hygrozyme. Also, most of the FloraNova system is chemical with a couple organic attributes.

Now, my query is why is the plant that has seemingly had all the problems growing faster than the plant that has had much less stress. This leads me to wonder if something is going wrong with the plant that I didn't top. That's a small thought in the back of my mind, however. Since there's not point in making mountains of molehills.

Ah, and last a few of the simpler details about my grow I didn't mention earlier: Temps sitting between 75 and 80 all the time now (had horrible heat problem in early stages with temps jumping to 115 at times, since has been solved) and I keep a small humidifier in my cabinet because without it my rh drops to around 25. With it I have rh between 38-44. The problem with this is that I have to add water every 6 hours or so to keep it going. Needless to say I miss some cycles and the rh to the plants probably doesn't seem very stable. Going up and down from the high 20s range to the mid 40s pretty often. Could this also be a major issue?

These 2 plants are under 184w total of CFLs top and bottom light spectrum.

Anyway, here are some pics. Any comments and advice are very much welcome.

1st pic is one plant, 2nd and 3rd are the other plant.
 

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Little Tommy

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Those look a little beat up - but with hempy all is fixable and new again. Has there been any improvement recently? All I ever used during veg was Flora Nova Grow when I was growing in soil. Never had any deficiency problems. I have seen plants in Hempy buckets turn around almost over night, hang in there. It looks to me like they are starving for some nitrogen.
 

Tarkfu

Member
It seems to me as though they improve a little each day. Im really just happy to see more a lack of decline than a straight forward improvement though. I havent noticed any spreading of the discoloration in about a week now. I went back and looked quite closely to see if i thought they might be wanting N and it doesnt seem like it, the pics seem to look a bit more yellow than they do in person. I also have mostly 2700k in there and only 2 6500k out of 6 bulbs. 54w 6500k and the rest is 2700k. In the future ill be looking to upgrade to a CMH (inspired by riddleme). Since those pics a few days ago they have grown a handful of nodes, enough that I just made another tie-down on them tonight.

Im not expecting miracles thats for sure, but it would be nice to get like 3-4 oz total from them when it's all said and done. Ill put them in flower once Ive tied them down all around the buckets. With they kind of growth I'm getting now, past the deficiency and the heat stress, I'm guessing I'll flip the lights in about another month or so, maybe less. They have definitely started growing faster in the last week or so than they were.

I'm honestly glad that I'm encountering problems on my first grow. A problem must arise for me to learn how to solve it. My next grow will have better genetics with more knowledge and experience to back it up.

A little backstory: Ive just moved into this apartment by myself and started this grow in a completely new city where I know no one. Meaning I have no connects and I'm not seeking connects out, I only want to smoke what I grow, and not buy any. Being that I havent smoked (barring one trip to new orleans to meet some friends for my buddy's 21st) in about a month and a half now, it is a great motivator to put as much effort into this as I am, and not fall back on the crutch of calling my dealer.
 

GangstaChronic

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not sure if this has been asked yet but..

what do you guys think of this idea for a Hempy Bucket?

2 liter coke bottle... filled with Hydroton ... with a wick in the middle reaching from the bottom of the reservoir to the top of the roots.

should prevent the drying of hydroton too fast and supply enough water/oxygen for the roots to continue growing without watering too much. i'm thinking to water once a day in the beginning and once every other day when the roots touch the reservoir.
 
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