Growing in an apartment?

BCtrippin · Mar 12, 2009

SOorganic said:
Ok then here is my advice , get a GOOD fucking lawyer!!! Put one on retainer at the least! I c what this guy is saying but still i will not let my land lord enter with out my permission!

I wouldnt either. But it happens, so be careful and be prepared for anything. You cant control landlords, they are people, you never know if they are suspicious, etc. Anything can happen so be ready.

If they tried to enter illegally I would throw them out, thats what i have done in the past. Most places the law requires 24 hours written notice or permission. But the reality is if the landlord breaks that "law" and enters without permission or notice, there is Nothing you or the cops can do. It sucks but its a situation I just went through.

:peace:

SOorganic · Mar 12, 2009

Like i said its totally ILLEGAL for ur land lord to enter with out permission prior to 24 hour notice; it doesnt matter if there a douche bag they just cant do it Period! If he/she breaks it there IS some thing u Can do, GET A FUCKING LAWYER!!! I promise if its an even decent Lawyer u will be Cleared of ALL charges!!

BCtrippin · Mar 12, 2009

SOorganic said:
Like i said its totally ILLEGAL for ur land lord to enter with out permission prior to 24 hour notice; it doesnt matter if there a douche bag they just cant do it Period! If he/she breaks it there IS some thing u Can do, GET A FUCKING LAWYER!!! I promise if its an even decent Lawyer u will be Cleared of ALL charges!!

No, you really wont. The landlord isnt a cop, I know its illegal, but they can claim they are protecting the property so they are entering Lawfully.

Read Any residential tenancy agreement, a landlord can enter any time in case of emergency. In court Im pretty sure an illegal grow op would be an emergency to a landlord. As far as the landlord is concerned it could affect the whole building, and void insurance of the whole building.

It would be a Clusterfuck of a case, you would need one hell of a lawyer.

It really depends how many plants too. If you have under 10 small plants, or if your running anything 1000w or under then your not gonna get charged with much anyway.

But dont assume that they will throw out evidence because a landlord entered illegally. The cops could get a warrant before they come over and take your shit if they need to.

:peace:

SOorganic · Mar 12, 2009

Well thats why im saying put a reputable lawyer on Retainer b4 u start growing and u will c maybe a half day in jail

greenearth5 · Mar 12, 2009

actually... it depends on which state you are in .. every state has different laws.. google it for your home state.. there are no federal laws that im familiar with

SOorganic · Mar 12, 2009

or here is a great solution! Go and buy an extra lock for ur door so that the land lord Can not enter with out u there!! And if he does try to get in and he cant and he chews u out for not being able to enter give HIM shit about, well u know ur supposed to give me 24 hours notice so what the hell r u doing trying to get in there in the first place?? Then he will shut the fuck up and u will be victorious!

uptosumpn · Mar 15, 2009

seriously??? Well let me ask you this...how do you vent the heat in a condo?? or better yet, "where" do you vent the heat to, using those lights???? Because i was thinking about getting a apt..(until I read what u said about Condo's being safer)... as a alternate place to set-up shop...But for now I will start @ home, (20-24 Autos) then when extra cash is avail...will move everything there plus additional equip to new place, (Condo) Using Homebox XXL, Homebox XL, Homebox S, and Clonebox....3 600HPS, 8 one bulb 6500k daylight floro's, (for side lighting) pair of 4 blub t5's floro's, 6500k (1 for clones/cuttings, the other for breeding male autos) & 1 400MH, (for mothers) as far as lightitng goes...so again, how do you vent all that heat in a condo using 2 1000hps & 250hps??? I had an idea to just vent/duct it to the dryer duct...(since it's a multi-dwelling place wouldn't the dryer duct be connectted to a series of other duct systems and because it's already heat passing through, it would mask the grow light perfectly?) jus an idea though, what are your thoughts..Help me out..thanks...

BCtrippin said:
I run 2 1000w HPS and a 250w HPS in a 1 bed condo.....

Landlord cant legally enter without your permission or 24hours notice or written notice from a sheriff or resolution dispute officer.

But some asshole landlords will enter anyway. It happened to me this morning, not at my grow condo thank fucking God, but I had 2 plants and clones on the kitchen counter... Good thing he didnt notice those.

Just be careful, some landlords are fucking douchebags and the fact is theres not a lot you can do to stop them if they do enter illegally theres not a lot you can do. Its shitty but thats the way it is, just be careful where you rent, and dont grow in Rental buildings, only grow in privately owned condos that are being rented out. Much safer.

BUT SAFER THAN GROWING WHERE U LAY YOUR HEAD......!

SOorganic said:
Apartment/condo grows are a touchy subject, Any multi-family housing/building is a touchy place

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD DO!!!! IT CAN'T HURT.
Ok then here is my advice , get a GOOD fucking lawyer!!! Put one on retainer at the least!

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD DO!!! STAY THE FUCK OUT BITCH!

SOorganic said:
or here is a great solution! Go and buy an extra lock for ur door so that the land lord Can not enter with out u there!! And if he does try to get in and he cant and he chews u out for not being able to enter give HIM shit about, well u know ur supposed to give me 24 hours notice so what the hell r u doing trying to get in there in the first place?? Then he will shut the fuck up and u will be victorious!

BCtrippin · Mar 15, 2009

SOorganic said:
or here is a great solution! Go and buy an extra lock for ur door so that the land lord Can not enter with out u there!! And if he does try to get in and he cant and he chews u out for not being able to enter give HIM shit about, well u know ur supposed to give me 24 hours notice so what the hell r u doing trying to get in there in the first place?? Then he will shut the fuck up and u will be victorious!

Check your local laws before changing the locks. Here in Canada, BC you need written permission from a Dispute resolution agent before you can change the locks and keep keys from the landlord, usually this would happen if your having issues.

Be careful when changing locks at a rental grow condo. It can look really suspicious if you just change the locks, they may serve notice for inspection or start doing more walkthroughs.

:peace:

greenearth5 · Mar 15, 2009

what do you guys think about this...

growing one plant
dwc setup
150W HPS light
in a closet
in a rental
in public housing
6 family apt building
2 bed room apt.

I know its not safe growing in a rental... but how risky is this or is this not?

BCtrippin · Mar 15, 2009

greenearth5 said:
what do you guys think about this...

growing one plant
dwc setup
150W HPS light
in a closet
in a rental
in public housing
6 family apt building
2 bed room apt.

I know its not safe growing in a rental... but how risky is this or is this not?

Your worried about 1 plant and only 150w HPS....

Dude I run 2250W of HPS, 32 plants in flower, 2-6 in veg and a few trays of clones during peak times in a 1 bed condo that I rent.

I wouldnt be worried even for a second about anything under 8 plants and under 600w...but thats just me.. :lol:

Run a small carbon filter, odor is the #2 way to get busted, right after running your mouth and telling too many people.

#3 is using too much/stealing power.

:peace:

uptosumpn · Mar 15, 2009

seriously??? Well let me ask you this...how do you vent the heat in a condo?? or better yet, "where" do you vent the heat to, using those lights???? Because i was thinking about getting a apt..(until I read what u said about Condo's being safer)... as a alternate place to set-up shop...But for now I will start @ home, (20-24 Autos) then when extra cash is avail...will move everything there plus additional equip to new place, (Condo) Using Homebox XXL, Homebox XL, Homebox S, and Clonebox....3 600HPS, 8 one bulb 6500k daylight floro's, (for side lighting) pair of 4 blub t5's floro's, 6500k (1 for clones/cuttings, the other for breeding male autos) & 1 400MH, (for mothers) as far as lightitng goes...so again, how do you vent all that heat in a condo using 2 1000hps & 250hps??? I had an idea to just vent/duct it to the dryer duct...(since it's a multi-dwelling place wouldn't the dryer duct be connectted to a series of other duct systems and because it's already heat passing through, it would mask the grow light perfectly?) jus an idea though, what are your thoughts..Help me out..thanks...

BCtrippin said:
I run 2 1000w HPS and a 250w HPS in a 1 bed condo.....

BCtrippin · Mar 15, 2009

uptosumpn said:
seriously??? Well let me ask you this...how do you vent the heat in a condo?? or better yet, "where" do you vent the heat to, using those lights???? Because i was thinking about getting a apt..(until I read what u said about Condo's being safer)... as a alternate place to set-up shop...But for now I will start @ home, (20-24 Autos) then when extra cash is avail...will move everything there plus additional equip to new place, (Condo) Using Homebox XXL, Homebox XL, Homebox S, and Clonebox....3 600HPS, 8 one bulb 6500k daylight floro's, (for side lighting) pair of 4 blub t5's floro's, 6500k (1 for clones/cuttings, the other for breeding male autos) & 1 400MH, (for mothers) as far as lightitng goes...so again, how do you vent all that heat in a condo using 2 1000hps & 250hps??? I had an idea to just vent/duct it to the dryer duct...(since it's a multi-dwelling place wouldn't the dryer duct be connectted to a series of other duct systems and because it's already heat passing through, it would mask the grow light perfectly?) jus an idea though, what are your thoughts..Help me out..thanks...

I wouldnt vent into dryer ducting. I use a single tube portable AC, it exhausts a LOT of hot air out in the bedroom, even with just the fans running. The 2 1000w HPS lights are hooked up in line with 6" air cooled hoods. I vent them out of the bedroom through the wall into the living room. I just moved into a 2 bedroom though so the lights will vent from the grow room to the smaller bedroom.

I wouldn't grow in a rental building. Its just way to sketchy with an onsite manager. I ONLY grow in condos that are privately owned. Usually the people I rent off of will only own the 1 condo and rent it out for some extra income. Look privately owned condos the owner doesnt live at the building, and has no onsite manager. Its easier then it sounds when you know what to look for.

My philosphy is that if they don't smell it, its not there. As far as most people are concerned big time growing in Condo's doesnt happen. But lately it is happening more often so some landlords are doing more inspections. Odor control should be your #1 concern when growing in a condo, so make sure you have adequate odor control. Buy some real carbon filters, they are worth the investment. The DIY crap is a waste of time.

I like to run 1 filter on exhaust and one just recirculating into the room. It cuts down on overall odor in the room, and even helps the exhaust filter last longer.

:peace:

uptosumpn · Mar 16, 2009

ok, listen...I understand about the Odor thing...was already anticapating that it was gonna reek with smell with that many plants....So I was planning on having 3 can 66 filters with 3 windtunnel 6" fans, (409CFM) 1 each for XXL, XL, and the room itself.. I also was gonna have a portable A/C....this one...http://www.globalindustrial.com/gcs/prod/30128181/i/1/productInfo.web#navPanel
to cool inside the 2 tents, (XXL & XL) via a y connector for air intake as well as have the A/C in the apt/condo set on 70 degrees room temp, (supplying cool air sucked in for lights)....so here is the million dollar question; "u said u ducted through wall to smaller room, right"? if i did this, would the heat going in that other/smaller room be cooled enough to not be crazy hot and also not show up on FLIR?? XXL & XL (three 600hps lights), via 2 293cfm TD 150 in-line fans... exhaust side of tents via their insulated ducting would be connected to a y connector with a additonal in-line booster fan so i only have to cut 1 hole in connecting/adjacent room wall...simplify..do i got it right?? Oh, why wouldn't u duct the lights to a dryer vent in the wall??? jus curious..seems it would simplify things cause heat is always normal there....hope i didnt drag this out too much.... :sleep:

BCtrippin said:
I wouldnt vent into dryer ducting. I use a single tube portable AC, it exhausts a LOT of hot air out in the bedroom, even with just the fans running. The 2 1000w HPS lights are hooked up in line with 6" air cooled hoods. I vent them out of the bedroom through the wall into the living room. I just moved into a 2 bedroom though so the lights will vent from the grow room to the smaller bedroom.

I wouldn't grow in a rental building. Its just way to sketchy with an onsite manager. I ONLY grow in condos that are privately owned. Usually the people I rent off of will only own the 1 condo and rent it out for some extra income. Look privately owned condos the owner doesnt live at the building, and has no onsite manager. Its easier then it sounds when you know what to look for.

My philosphy is that if they don't smell it, its not there. As far as most people are concerned big time growing in Condo's doesnt happen. But lately it is happening more often so some landlords are doing more inspections. Odor control should be your #1 concern when growing in a condo, so make sure you have adequate odor control. Buy some real carbon filters, they are worth the investment. The DIY crap is a waste of time.

I like to run 1 filter on exhaust and one just recirculating into the room. It cuts down on overall odor in the room, and even helps the exhaust filter last longer.

BCtrippin · Mar 16, 2009

I dont worry about FLIR or thermal imaging where I live, even if they did have it it wouldnt be a problem, I keep the window open in the area the lights are ducting to. Its really not That hot from 2 x 1000w lights. It would be like running a small space heater all day.

Personally I would not vent into dryer ducting because when people are not running their dryers your grow op will be pressurizing the entire ducting system with a lot of air. You dont have any idea how the ducting is set up, if they are indipendant or all stringed together, Theres no way of knowing how much CFM they could handle without backdraft.

Air could be coming out everyones dryer when they are not running. Even if you run carbon filters, it would be weird if air was pumping out your dryer vent all day.

And the fact is theres really know way of knowing when your carbon filter will start to lose its effectivness. You could be pumping the faint odor of sweet Mary Jane back into the building without ever knowing. I just prefer to get all air out of the building, not back in. :mrgreen:

natrone23 · Mar 16, 2009

why not vent the a/c and the light out of the bedroom window? Id like to something like your thinking if i could find a 2 bedroom, I would live in 1 bedroom and grow in the second, venting my port a/c and lights via the bedroom window,(i wouldn't do this If it was on the first floor)

Right now I grow in a complex on the second floor of a 3 floor building in a walk in closet, I have a clone/veg area and a 5x5 flower, I have veg with cfls and flower with a 400 and 600 hps. I have air cooled hoods and a port a/c that I vent directly into the cieling via 2 holes I cut, all the exhaust gets dumped into the cavity between the floors.

In the pics you can see that the a/c is about 5 feet off the ground on a shelf with a bucket below it on a shelf to collect the water

My a/c is 9000btu unit from homedepot for 300$ its also a dehumidifier too. The thing with this a/c it might be different with other units IDK but this one has to be turn on manually everyday because it has a digital control panel so when the timer shuts its off the hole unit shuts off, so when the timer comes back on the A/c unit powers up but doesnt actually start blowing until you take the remote and turn back on, the only way to remedy this is living it running 24/7

uptosumpn · Mar 17, 2009

Really? 2 1000w lights is eqviliant to a small space heater?? (i live in a warm/hot climate 85% of the year) so maybe have the lights on time @ night? really trying to be stealth much as poss! and thanks for the great info on the dryer ducting issue..didnt think about that!.. so just open a window or sliding balcony door for heat to escape...Cool......<literally...

BCtrippin said:
I dont worry about FLIR or thermal imaging where I live, even if they did have it it wouldnt be a problem, I keep the window open in the area the lights are ducting to. Its really not That hot from 2 x 1000w lights. It would be like running a small space heater all day.

Personally I would not vent into dryer ducting because when people are not running their dryers your grow op will be pressurizing the entire ducting system with a lot of air. You dont have any idea how the ducting is set up, if they are indipendant or all stringed together, Theres no way of knowing how much CFM they could handle without backdraft.

Air could be coming out everyones dryer when they are not running. Even if you run carbon filters, it would be weird if air was pumping out your dryer vent all day.

And the fact is theres really know way of knowing when your carbon filter will start to lose its effectivness. You could be pumping the faint odor of sweet Mary Jane back into the building without ever knowing. I just prefer to get all air out of the building, not back in.

i thought about doing that, but my issue with that way was, the exhaust heat from A/C and heat from lights, (3 600w) may look out of place coming out of a window to a heli-copter using FLIR...! even if it is not a large heat signature, with the law enforcement assholes working in this county/city, u just never can tell....better to be safe than sorry..my goal is NO SMELL, NO HEAT SIG, NO UN-PAID LIGHT BILLS! But, i think BCtrippin has answerd/solved that problem for me...AND I LIKE YOUR SET UP, VERY SLICK INDEED! Def. will get a second floor unit, and may even try that! +rep for u!

natrone23 said:
why not vent the a/c and the light out of the bedroom window? Id like to something like your thinking if i could find a 2 bedroom, I would live in 1 bedroom and grow in the second, venting my port a/c and lights via the bedroom window,(i wouldn't do this If it was on the first floor)

Right now I grow in a complex on the second floor of a 3 floor building in a walk in closet, I have a clone/veg area and a 5x5 flower, I have veg with cfls and flower with a 400 and 600 hps. I have air cooled hoods and a port a/c that I vent directly into the cieling via 2 holes I cut, all the exhaust gets dumped into the cavity between the floors.

In the pics you can see that the a/c is about 5 feet off the ground on a shelf with a bucket below it on a shelf to collect the water

My a/c is 9000btu unit from homedepot for 300$ its also a dehumidifier too. The thing with this a/c it might be different with other units IDK but this one has to be turn on manually everyday because it has a digital control panel so when the timer shuts its off the hole unit shuts off, so when the timer comes back on the A/c unit powers up but doesnt actually start blowing until you take the remote and turn back on, the only way to remedy this is living it running 24/7

BCtrippin · Mar 17, 2009

Where I live its cool most of the year except in the summer, even then its not hot every day so I dont really have heat issues. You could always run a single tube AC in the room your exhausting too. It will pump out all the heat and cool down the room.

Im pretty sure the air coming out of my AC is a Lot hotter then the air coming from the 2 1000w lights so I wouldnt be too worried about FLIR or thermal imaging.

Running the lights at night is great to reduce heat, just make sure your set up isnt too loud running at night.

:peace:

natrone23 · Mar 17, 2009

uptosumpn said:
i thought about doing that, but my issue with that way was, the exhaust heat from A/C and heat from lights, (3 600w) may look out of place coming out of a window to a heli-copter using FLIR...! even if it is not a large heat signature, with the law enforcement assholes working in this county/city, u just never can tell....better to be safe than sorry..my goal is NO SMELL, NO HEAT SIG, NO UN-PAID LIGHT BILLS! But, i think BCtrippin has answerd/solved that problem for me...AND I LIKE YOUR SET UP, VERY SLICK INDEED! Def. will get a second floor unit, and may even try that! +rep for u!

I don't think that would be a very large heat signature, think how many people have window a/c's, big ones small ones ect.. all exhusting hot air. A helo isn't going to reconize anything out of the ordinary.

Is the condo going to be a rental?
I think the only major problem with renting is the landlord coming in to do an inspection or something, if you can take care of that in some way where you are confident know one will make unexpected visits you should be successful. If any body asks why you have a window half open ect, just tell them you run a port a/c to save on power bills.

I would run an op in a bedroom if I was confident enough that my landlord wouldn't come by, it would be pretty hard to tear down an op with like 3 or 4 600 fans ect so your landlord can come by

uptosumpn · Mar 17, 2009

what's the difference between the single tube and double tube? and aren't those loud? did u see the one in the link i posted? what ya think bout that one??

BCtrippin said:
You could always run a single tube AC in the room your exhausting too. It will pump out all the heat and cool down the room.

seriously?? I may then get 2 x 1000w instead of 2 of the 600w for the XXL since you haved used them in the same kind of tent i will be getting
Im pretty sure the air coming out of my AC is a Lot hotter then the air coming from the 2 1000w lights so I wouldnt be too worried about FLIR or thermal imaging.

The fans I will be using are the queitest iv'e found...the windtunnel 6 & the TD-150..(under 5 sones) with insulated ducting to kill that "whoosh" sound of moving air..
Running the lights at night is great to reduce heat, just make sure your set up isnt too loud running at night.

INTERESTING....GOOD OBSERVATION

natrone23 said:
I don't think that would be a very large heat signature, think how many people have window a/c's, big ones small ones ect.. all exhusting hot air. A helo isn't going to reconize anything out of the ordinary.

yes.
Is the condo going to be a rental?
that's why i would change all the locks! all he/she can do is bitch about it...my privacy is my privacy...besides people do that all the time in the state i live in..
I think the only major problem with renting is the landlord coming in to do an inspection or something, if you can take care of that in some way where you are confident know one will make unexpected visits you should be successful.

funny u say that, cause i was just thinking what sense would it make to put a portable A/C or window A/C in a unit that has central air...then i read what u had to say futher.....makes sense...good idea!
If any body asks why you have a window half open ect, just tell them you run a port a/c to save on power bills.

AGAIN,.... NEW DOOR LOCKS!
I would run an op in a bedroom if I was confident enough that my landlord wouldn't come by

BCtrippin · Mar 17, 2009

Single tube portable AC pulls air from in the room and exhausts the heat out of the single tube. Dual tube portable AC pulls air from outside for the intake and exhausts the hot air outside as well.

Single tube will keep a nice negative pressure in the room its in, and they run more efficiently using only 1 fan.

AC can be a bit loud but its an AC...people use them all the time, they are perfectly legal... :lol:

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