Greengenes Apache AT600 Garden- Blackberry Kush

Last night I watered 15 plants 10 in 5 gallon and 5 in 7 gallons all felt pots. I have a almost 40/50/10 mix of FFOF/Coco/more perlite. I've been watering every 5-7 days or so. I always want my pots to dry out because thats what promotes root growth the most. I used about 30 gallons of water six 5 gallon buckets. Pots were a little dryer than normal this time since its been like summer and I was 24/0 vegging them for 2 more weeks after transplant. Temps were about 88-92 during the day and the RH was 35%.

Anyway that gives me 85 gallons of soil mix and 30 gallons watered. That gives me a run off of less than half inch in the bottom of the tent liner. That will be dry by the next day. I use a 15 gallon tote and mix nutes and ph everything in that and the 3 5 gallon buckets I'll dump in while I'm pumping that out. Just use a battery powered pump that connects to a full size hose. Otherwise its a bitch to water that much by hand and not being able to get into the back of my tent for the most part. I normally water about 35% of my of soil mass every 5-7 days. Fully water your soil it will still be damp while your roots go hunting for more water. Let the soil dry out so the roots expand more mass hunting for water. I've got some real monsters right now had to cut some back before switching to flower last night even.

I am considering making a scrog net for my next run. How do you lollipop and trim once its on... I have arthritis in the neck (hence I smoke to pain relieve) and wanted to know if it's hard to get in there to water etc. Once it gets going it looks fairly easy to deal with the flowers above the net.

grasscropper said:

I am considering making a scrog net for my next run. How do you lollipop and trim once its on... I have arthritis in the neck (hence I smoke to pain relieve) and wanted to know if it's hard to get in there to water etc. Once it gets going it looks fairly easy to deal with the flowers above the net.

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Scrog nets always look super clean and fancy. But I am not really a fan. With a big floppy sativa it could be different, but my girls don't really need the support. And with the net, it's a bitch to hand water, the back corner is hard to get to. Plus I like to rotate and move plants, that can't be done with a net. With a waterwand it wouldn't be so bad but still I think the net is a hassle.
I might take mine off soon. Stakes work just fine.

There are also tomato cages with metal trellis in the ring...so each plant can have it's own trellis basically. But they are kinda big, smallest is 16" diameter, so you need to be running lower plant #'s to fit them under a light.


EDIT: I must have been so high because every other word was misspelled.

Hydroponics- Outboard rez, or wet/dry shop vac

grasscropper said:

I am considering making a scrog net for my next run. How do you lollipop and trim once its on... I have arthritis in the neck (hence I smoke to pain relieve) and wanted to know if it's hard to get in there to water etc. Once it gets going it looks fairly easy to deal with the flowers above the net.

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if you want to do scrog and cant really get under neath the canopy for feeding. You should consider using blumats for watering. Top dress enough nutes to last the grow. Or get an apprentice / prospect to do your work

PetFlora said:

Hydroponics- Outboard rez, or wet/dry shop vac

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Nice, yours look good.
Hydro or organic...I haven't really decided. I have barley any hydro experience abut tons of soil. It's an interesting debate. I am an organic guy, the best weed I have smoke, grown, and seen were all organic.

But there is one thing that keeps me wanting to run a hydro setup...that because roots are torn and scrapped as a result from digging, they spend up to half the enery repairing it's self. Robert at AT told me it in a conversation about going hydro. IT just keeps sticking out in my brain.

hyroot said:

if you want to do scrog and cant really get under neath the canopy for feeding. You should consider using blumats for watering. Top dress enough nutes to last the grow. Or get an apprentice / prospect to do your work

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Never heard of those till yesterday. Like a drip system without a timer aspect...cool idea. I wonder how big of a container one is good for.

where the new video. I just watched it and liked it.

Greengenes707 said:

Scrog nets always look super clean and fancy. But I am not really a fan. With a big floppy sativa it could be different, but my girls don't really need the support. And with the net, it's a bitch to hand water, the back corner is hard to get to. Plus I like to rotate and move plants, that can't be done with a net. With a waterwand it wouldn't be so bad but still I think the net is a hassle.
I might take mine off soon. Stakes work just fine.

There are also tomato cages with metal trellis in the ring...so each plant can have it's own trellis basically. But they are kinda big, smallest is 16" diameter, so you need to be running lower plant #'s to fit them under a light.


EDIT: I must have been so high because every other word was misspelled.

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Well that answers that question. I cannot be bending like that and if watering is difficult as well as moving plants. I can't do it. I already can't stand in the tent making painful at times. I should have made the tent initially with the ability to stand.
Your grow is looking good really good. Keep it up.

Your on it

Well I was uploading it and was smoking bowls waiting. Next thing you know I was going to panda...but the line was out the door(literally) so I went to in and out who's line was out the parking lot. So I settled with jack. Ultimate bacon cheeseburger combo.


I would definitely can consider this an update, a couple changes...

[video=youtube;VQnFybjLPxs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQnFybjLPxs&feature=youtu.be[/video]
There's some pics at the end

^^^^^^^^ I subscribe to A LOT of you tube channels including yours and Scars. As soon as a new video is up. I get an email and a youtube notification on my phone.

Beautiful

I am rotating/moving them every other night for the rest of flower. I put one stake in each tonight. I noticed that the smaller ones that I moved into the center have already bulked in the two days. The garden is looking great IMO...

Greengenes707 said:

I am rotating/moving them every other night for the rest of flower. I put one stake in each tonight. I noticed that the smaller ones that I moved into the center have already bulked in the two days. The garden is looking great IMO...

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nice work man looking good in there!! nice healthy plants!! what is it that you are feeding again? supersoil or fertilizer? looks great regardless!

Looks too good to be true but your works stands on it's own. Very impressive

Just went front to back on this thread. Looks great man. I picked up some BB babies from s33d in the 707 and they ended up being males. Im wishing they were girls even more now, yours look great.

Greengenes707 said:

I am rotating/moving them every other night for the rest of flower. I put one stake in each tonight. I noticed that the smaller ones that I moved into the center have already bulked in the two days.

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Instead of rotating plants I put 1 or 2 bulb T5s angled inward at 45 degrees with Coral Waves around the borders. But rotating the plants saves energy. wonder which is more efficient ?

Love the way the flowers are bulking up!

I wonder if buying a few, smaller lights and positioning them around the room instead of the 1 big AT600 would be more beneficial? I've also read that the AT600 weighs 60lbs. How did you hang it?

GreenSanta said:

nice work man looking good in there!! nice healthy plants!! what is it that you are feeding again? supersoil or fertilizer? looks great regardless!

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Gracias amigo. Yes, super healthy, they pulled through just fine.
I started out as a 60%supersoil:40%rootsorganic but they are heavy feeders and are borderline root bound, so I started feeding them around the flip. I'm using Maxsea bloom, I used it outdoors and have some left. Maxsea is supposed to be pretty organic, but not entirely, fit's right in with me. The shit just works is all I can say.
I might use MOAB coming up soon for a bulk, I have it already so what the hell. I'll do a control on some.

Grandmah said:

Looks too good to be true but your works stands on it's own. Very impressive

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Thanks, glad your still hanging out for the ride.

Alienwidow said:

Just went front to back on this thread. Looks great man. I picked up some BB babies from s33d in the 707 and they ended up being males. Im wishing they were girls even more now, yours look great.

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I got lucky with these clones. Clones were dry around here for a while. Blackberry wasn't my first pick but it's all I could find, had to resort to craigslist...the clone doctor. It turned out to be a great decision al we can see now, but was more of a last minute thing than fully planned like I wanted it.

PurpleBuz said:

Instead of rotating plants I put 1 or 2 bulb T5s angled inward at 45 degrees with Coral Waves around the borders. But rotating the plants saves energy. wonder which is more efficient ?

Love the way the flowers are bulking up!

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Thay are about to really fatten the next few weeks. I don't move my plants because the coverage, they would be just fine leaving them stagnate. But it just makes sense to when I can and I'm moving plants anyways. Every great grower I have ever meet/read/watched moves plants all the time, maybe back into the similar spot, but moving things to work is key and rotating never hurts. I think sub just said it like tow nerds ago too.

Efficiency wise, I would say just moving them...I don't bill myself each month for usage. Also, if I had reflective on all 4 sides not just 2 it would help.
My moving system is super easy...one row out, then slide, slide, slide, replace end row. And then I get to see 360* of each plant as I move them. Gives me a much better perspective on what the whole garden is doing/looking like.
I noticed that I really need to thin the leaves out more now that the move. I have been taking a good amount off each day.

ThaMagnificent said:

I wonder if buying a few, smaller lights and positioning them around the room instead of the 1 big AT600 would be more beneficial? I've also read that the AT600 weighs 60lbs. How did you hang it?

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Not a few...the same amount worth of smaller units. You need 4 top quality smaller units in the same area to have the same quanta, so it's not really a difference. An at600 is basically 4 at200 for 500$ each. More units would allow you to maybe try and stretch the coverage capabilities but I have shown in the past that's not the best idea and science of grow lighting concurs. The production at600 has slightly bigger spacing in-between each cluster. It spreads just that much better than mine, but I have no complaints with this one.
It was designed to have a better par foot print than a 1000w hps in a 4x4. It pretty much wastes no light out outside of it. I have used smaller units, and this bigger unit is the best performance I have ever had, even on the outer edges.


Ya, it's a heavy bitch. It will hang in any good 4x4 or 4x8 tent. Seems gnarly, but it's fine if you use the 4 hanger system. Here is a video I did when I first got it. At about 9:45 into it I show how to hang and raise it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwDw5FfpaDc

I will show my current haning system in the next update. I use 4 ratchet hangers, hung to eye hooks in metal trusses. I washer and bolt the eye hook then it slides down the truss to where ever I need it. Each ratchet is good for 75lbs so in theory could hang by one if all failed.

I saw on GH's test they only used 2 ratchets.

So you don't have the scrog net anymore. I use these dollar store cages. They are much smaller than the tomato cages.

I got a brand new phesh filter today, 6"x24". My old filter was cheap ebay and it wasn't doing a very good job. I could always smell a little and it bugged me. Now it's clean air. So hopefully it stays that way because next run I'm expanding and it will be even more of an issue. But so far so good with the new phesh.
I do need to give this BBK it's credit...it fucking reeks.