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mercuryobsession said:
its 4' tall x 2 1/2' wide x 1 1/2' deep.(exactly why im doing a scrog, lol) im pretty sure it ends up being 6 square ft. well i am going with the jh, but its going to be next grow, i have 3 unknown mothers right now. cloned off friends, parents, outdoor plants. we shall see how it goes.
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10" is not a whole lot of vertical space, merc...

Anything over 250W will burn the hell out of your plants with your clearance, and a 250's still gonna be hot/too intense even with a cool tube. I used to run a 150W in a 2' x 3' x 3.3' (see attached), had good airflow, and still used a tempered glass partition (or shield) between the light and the plants to allow the light within ~2-3" of the top canopy. You'll lose about 8% of the intensity from light going through the glass, but you can get 'em much closer, so you more than make up for it in 1/r^2 gains. And they won't burn...

My 150W system would pull a good ~5-6oz that way with NLxBB clones in a nice tight ScrOG (actual garden area was ~2.7 sq ft). With your small area, that'd work fine, too. 50w/sq ft is more a good rule of thumb with larger garden sizes (I've run those too), I've found.

Cheers,

-TL
 
Mr. Cheetah

Mr. Cheetah

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hello fellas, been a while with no updates..... just to remind u that the net size is 2X1 meters :joint::mrgreen:

so the skunk and the lil lsted prozak started makin hair tuffs bout a week ago. no signs of buds on the aks and the papaya.
























 
Mr. Cheetah

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hahaha i knew someones gonna say that :mrgreen: and, no i wasnt affraid, i jus wanted everybody to see the plants lmao. love the scrog thing and im spreadin the love, its just that . :joint:>>>
 
mercuryobsession

mercuryobsession

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The Lurker said:
10" is not a whole lot of vertical space, merc...

Anything over 250W will burn the hell out of your plants with your clearance, and a 250's still gonna be hot/too intense even with a cool tube. I used to run a 150W in a 2' x 3' x 3.3' (see attached), had good airflow, and still used a tempered glass partition (or shield) between the light and the plants to allow the light within ~2-3" of the top canopy. You'll lose about 8% of the intensity from light going through the glass, but you can get 'em much closer, so you more than make up for it in 1/r^2 gains. And they won't burn...

My 150W system would pull a good ~5-6oz that way with NLxBB clones in a nice tight ScrOG (actual garden area was ~2.7 sq ft). With your small area, that'd work fine, too. 50w/sq ft is more a good rule of thumb with larger garden sizes (I've run those too), I've found.

Cheers,

-TL
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hmm, so i should go lower than a 250? i have a 250, and a 400. soo this is really a matter of using what i already own. money is kinda tight. :(
 
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You should be ok with the 250W, just make sure you've got great airflow. And if they start burning once they're near the light, just stick a piece of tempered glass between them and the lights like I did. Works well. The one I got custom cut with nice round beveled edges for the system above cost ~$17 from a glass cutter. If anyone asks (they won't), just tell 'em it's for a glass coffee table... ;)

Keep 'em nice and short, don't let them go above the screen until after the stretch is over (~3wks), and you should be fine.

This is in 3.75 sq ft, right? What's this talk about square meters? Did you mean 1 per square foot?

Four will be good for your space with a moderately stretchy indica-sativa hybrid and it's easier to get an even canopy. You can do up to 6 and veg shorter, but it'll start to get crowded in there given your height limitations. With where you'll need to put your screen, I'd avoid trying just 1-2 plants, those #'s work better if you've got more clearance between the bottom of your pots and the screen. Have done that but veg takes longer, easier to run more plants and get better coverage on your screen.

So - roughly one plant per sq. ft. should do it. I've done up to two per square foot and been fine, you simply veg less with that. All depends on how long you want to veg before flipping the switch.

Been growin' for 20 years and ScrOGgin' for ~10 - always nice to see another convert. :)

Good luck mate,

-TL
 
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nas2007 said:
hey i wonderd if ony one could help me out. i got a tent that is 4ft x 4ft x 6and half ft tent. and i got 8 newly vegging plants in there.
when is the best time to scrog?
can i scrog with so many plants in that space?
and one more thing whilst i scrog and i later finde out i got male plants is it easy to remove? does it take afeckt to the other plants when removing one meaning to they get unevan with the extra space?

sorry if these are noobie quastions just really new to growing and cudnt finde the ansers to this
thanks boys!
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Here, READ THIS.

Then read my above response.

  • If you don't know your strain, a good rule of thumb is to train your plants to the screen in veg and flip to flowering when the screen's roughly 50% filled. All strains are different, once you've grown it you'll know how much that particular one actually stretches and can time it better on the next run.
  • Plant #s vary - see above. I've done as few as one plant in 8 sq ft, but you'll be vegging a LONG time. More plants, shorter veg. Your plants are fine, that's 1 per 2 sq. ft.
  • It's always BETTER to sex your plants before they go under the screen (when they're small), and then put the females back into veg until they're ready. Once the screen's up a male will be harder to remove, and YES, these will leave gaps in your canopy. It can be done but I don't recommend it. Most experienced growers will run clones (best) or female-only seeds (ok) for that reason. The less variance in your canopy, the better.

If I were you, I'd flip them now, do some LST so they stay short, cull the males once they show sex, and then flip back to 24hrs until they're big enough for the screen (1/2 fill), then flip back to 12 and put your screen up. Don't move them after that except to train!

There's a first time for everything, though. Gotta start somewhere!

Time for you to do lots more reading...there are ScrOG guides on every major forum, dig in!

-TL
 
mrboots

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All the stuff the lurker says sound like good advice to me. And I like the diagram, stuff like that is way more helpful than just explainations of things.
 
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The Lurker said:
You should be ok with the 250W, just make sure you've got great airflow. And if they start burning once they're near the light, just stick a piece of tempered glass between them and the lights like I did. Works well. The one I got custom cut with nice round beveled edges for the system above cost ~$17 from a glass cutter. If anyone asks (they won't), just tell 'em it's for a glass coffee table... ;)

Keep 'em nice and short, don't let them go above the screen until after the stretch is over (~3wks), and you should be fine.

This is in 3.75 sq ft, right? What's this talk about square meters? Did you mean 1 per square foot?

Four will be good for your space with a moderately stretchy indica-sativa hybrid and it's easier to get an even canopy. You can do up to 6 and veg shorter, but it'll start to get crowded in there given your height limitations. With where you'll need to put your screen, I'd avoid trying just 1-2 plants, those #'s work better if you've got more clearance between the bottom of your pots and the screen. Have done that but veg takes longer, easier to run more plants and get better coverage on your screen.

So - roughly one plant per sq. ft. should do it. I've done up to two per square foot and been fine, you simply veg less with that. All depends on how long you want to veg before flipping the switch.

Been growin' for 20 years and ScrOGgin' for ~10 - always nice to see another convert. :)

Good luck mate,

-TL
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yeah haha, i did mean square feet. the cool tube i have is just hurricane glass, but it does drop my temps a lot. i appreciate the advice very much. :smile: ive been growing since i was 14, but im still young. first scrog though, hope it goes well. :weed:
 
mrboots

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Mazon

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yo guys just a quick question.. just so i can clarify this.. in a scrog grow you let the top grow about 3 inches above the screen and then you push the top back down onto another hole of the screen and repeat correct?
 
mrboots

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Mazon said:
yo guys just a quick question.. just so i can clarify this.. in a scrog grow you let the top grow about 3 inches above the screen and then you push the top back down onto another hole of the screen and repeat correct?
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basically, yes, you are trying to get a very even canopy with lots of smaller colas.
 
Integra21

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Ok, sorry for the delay in an update, been super busy the last few weeks. Got the Piss all jarred and weighed, and lets say it was more than disappointing. For it staying in such great health throughout the grow and being the densest nugs I have grown, it came in lighter than my last round. To top all of that off, the finished buds are lacking on potency on an unexpected level. I never thought something so frosty could be so weak. But enough with the complaining.

Piss from 65 days of 12/12
Total Weight: 14oz 6g
Aroma: A very nice mix of oranges, citris, and musk. Has a little bite that almost burns your nose a little.
Taste: Getting closer to the small, definetly citris undertones, but needs more curing.
High: A weak but balanced high/stone, my guess is 10-12%thc




And the Blue Kush is coming down this weekend. I already dehydrated a sample of that and that was as strong as the Blue Kush I have had jarring for 6 months. So Im pretty stoked about this chop. The Dehydrator always kills some potency(10-20%) and the fact that it was just as strong leads me to believe this run will be even stronger than the previous run, this may be due to the SnowStorm Ultra. I am glad its coming down to, I forgot how much the smell on this gorl get out of control towards the end of flower. 2 Cap1 ozone generators in the garage dont even make a dent in the smell. So here they are.

Blue Kush day 75 of 12/12
CO2 ppm: 1500
Rm Temp: 80F
RH: 45-55%
PH: 5.7-6.1
PPM's: 550-600
Res Temp: 67-70F







 
mercuryobsession

mercuryobsession

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quick question, i want to cross breed. how long should the females be flowering for, until i can pollinate? i just want one branch for seeds, whole plant would be overkill. :eyesmoke:
 
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