Lucius Vorenus
Well-Known Member
I try to be neutral about those guys but when they do shit like that it sure makes it hard. What a stupid, stupid move.
Im sure Will Humble will love seeing that.
A REAL commitment to change the 25-mile rule
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Im sure Will Humble will love seeing that.
Chronicseeker
New Member
I wonder what/how they plan on compensating anyone...
Now they will just charge patients more for product to make up the difference for these new financial endeavors...
To all the fellow gardeners out there, if you are looking for a dispensary position, I advise you to collect some form of payment up-front before you get all excited and start introducing your gear into a scenario where you are not a shareholder. The industry in AZ is saturated with individuals who do not comprehend cannabis, the sharks will come out in force.
Cut out the middle man.
Also, do not be fooled by people assuring you the patients they offer are outside the 25 mile sanction.
There are no allocated dispensaries and I can promise you some of the locations will come as a big surprise.
How can anyone guarantee these patients when the dispensary locations are not determined.
FYI a dispensary can change its location while it posses a registration certificate.
That is a 12 month window...
We all have brains lets use them
Also, has anyone noticed how it has been stated that prop 203 would have never passed without the 25 mile rule?
Let me just point of how ironic this situation really is:
The 25 mile rule was set in place to ensure the passage of 203 (people like Gerald Gaines have said this numerous times.)
So, in order to make all the citizens happy and not make them feel like the devils lettuce is taking over AZ, the rule was implemented.
The contradictory part to the whole "w/o the 25 mile rule this would have never passed" argument is this:
The gov and DHS stalled the dispensary program, ultimately letting down all of people who supposedly voted for prop 203 because of the 25 mile rule.
So in reality there is no credence to the 25 mile rule argument, it has no merit whatsoever considering it has not been in effect for almost two years.
Nobody from the opposition has complained about the 25 mile rule not being in effect nor have they tried to remove AMMA by placing back on the ballot for this specific reason.
So to anyone who says, we need to 25 mile rule for regulation and for the program's existence is full of BS. System regulation starts from the beginning, not once the cork is already out of the bottle.
Now they will just charge patients more for product to make up the difference for these new financial endeavors...
To all the fellow gardeners out there, if you are looking for a dispensary position, I advise you to collect some form of payment up-front before you get all excited and start introducing your gear into a scenario where you are not a shareholder. The industry in AZ is saturated with individuals who do not comprehend cannabis, the sharks will come out in force.
Cut out the middle man.
Also, do not be fooled by people assuring you the patients they offer are outside the 25 mile sanction.
There are no allocated dispensaries and I can promise you some of the locations will come as a big surprise.
How can anyone guarantee these patients when the dispensary locations are not determined.
FYI a dispensary can change its location while it posses a registration certificate.
That is a 12 month window...
We all have brains lets use them
Also, has anyone noticed how it has been stated that prop 203 would have never passed without the 25 mile rule?
Let me just point of how ironic this situation really is:
The 25 mile rule was set in place to ensure the passage of 203 (people like Gerald Gaines have said this numerous times.)
So, in order to make all the citizens happy and not make them feel like the devils lettuce is taking over AZ, the rule was implemented.
The contradictory part to the whole "w/o the 25 mile rule this would have never passed" argument is this:
The gov and DHS stalled the dispensary program, ultimately letting down all of people who supposedly voted for prop 203 because of the 25 mile rule.
So in reality there is no credence to the 25 mile rule argument, it has no merit whatsoever considering it has not been in effect for almost two years.
Nobody from the opposition has complained about the 25 mile rule not being in effect nor have they tried to remove AMMA by placing back on the ballot for this specific reason.
So to anyone who says, we need to 25 mile rule for regulation and for the program's existence is full of BS. System regulation starts from the beginning, not once the cork is already out of the bottle.
Lucius Vorenus
Well-Known Member
Well we all know that will never happen.
It's actually very easy to find out where the Dispensaries will be, all you need is a zoning map. But yes I agree, the average person has no clue.
Bottom line folks, work with ethical people and you will be fine. There are very few out there in this industry unfortunately.
BeaverHuntr
Well-Known Member
I agree, be very careful who you shake hands with because people lie, they will blow so much smoke up your ass.
HB DC
Active Member
They will likely NOT get a license to operate!! Remember what Mr.Humble said.... And he must be held to his word!!
I can guarantee there will be another lawsuit if they don't get a license... Right Mr.Gaines?
I wonder what/how they plan on compensating anyone...
Now they will just charge patients more for product to make up the difference for these new financial endeavors...
To all the fellow gardeners out there, if you are looking for a dispensary position, I advise you to collect some form of payment up-front before you get all excited and start introducing your gear into a scenario where you are not a shareholder. The industry in AZ is saturated with individuals who do not comprehend cannabis, the sharks will come out in force.
Cut out the middle man.
Also, do not be fooled by people assuring you the patients they offer are outside the 25 mile sanction.
There are no allocated dispensaries and I can promise you some of the locations will come as a big surprise.
How can anyone guarantee these patients when the dispensary locations are not determined.
FYI a dispensary can change its location while it posses a registration certificate.
That is a 12 month window...
We all have brains lets use them
Also, has anyone noticed how it has been stated that prop 203 would have never passed without the 25 mile rule?
Let me just point of how ironic this situation really is:
The 25 mile rule was set in place to ensure the passage of 203 (people like Gerald Gaines have said this numerous times.)
So, in order to make all the citizens happy and not make them feel like the devils lettuce is taking over AZ, the rule was implemented.
The contradictory part to the whole "w/o the 25 mile rule this would have never passed" argument is this:
The gov and DHS stalled the dispensary program, ultimately letting down all of people who supposedly voted for prop 203 because of the 25 mile rule.
So in reality there is no credence to the 25 mile rule argument, it has no merit whatsoever considering it has not been in effect for almost two years.
Nobody from the opposition has complained about the 25 mile rule not being in effect nor have they tried to remove AMMA by placing back on the ballot for this specific reason.
So to anyone who says, we need to 25 mile rule for regulation and for the program's existence is full of BS. System regulation starts from the beginning, not once the cork is already out of the bottle.
I couldn't agree more! The same man who secured the "25 Mile Rule" shall be the same man to try to remove it??
Thats what gets my panties in a bunch!!
BeaverHuntr
Well-Known Member
I now hate everything associated with the number 25
Chronicseeker
New Member
If they are ethical, they should have no problem compensating you for your work/ strains that you have been cultivating over the last X amount of years.
Ethical people will see the value of having quality medicine and an experienced grower(s).
These people should have no problem paying for a real service, that is if they have the knowledge to weed out the garbage.
Lucius, just pointing out/not attacking but you have downplayed, IMO, some fairly ethical operations on this forum, probably without even meeting the individuals in charge.. So who is the industry judge of ethics? Just because someone can talk a good game does not make them ethical.
Brings me to another point, Ethics are related to how business/people conduct themselves, if these people are promising patients to whom they truly/ currently believe will be outside of the 25 mile sanction, technically they are being ethical even if the patients end up within 25 miles of a disp.
Just saying, life has its way of throwing curve balls and this can sometimes inhibit plan A as well as plan B,C,D ..
Chronicseeker
New Member
Farmers markets would be a good start, a booth solely for signatures.
What ever happened to B Hayes' fight... Besides the 900 count.
What ever happened to B Hayes' fight... Besides the 900 count.
HB DC
Active Member
I would be MORE than willing to collect signatures!!
The farmers market would be a great start and every single MMJ event in town!!
BeaverHuntr
Well-Known Member
All that time and money probably went to court fees. Law suits can drain your mental health and wallet.
Chronicseeker
New Member
I think change.org had two petitions regarding the 25 mile rule.
I have been told that Rayne Baker(sp) of Camp 420 would be a good person to help get the ball rolling.
HB DC
Active Member
The issue with such petitions is they are a false reality!! Just like Facebook movements! They work to get attention but there is never an action plan!! We are at the action phase of this "25 Mile Rule" movement! Most everyone knows about the "25 Mile Rule" but now it is time to put that money where your mouth is!!
Petitions on change.org are good for getting attention for a cause but are not the best route! We need actual signatures to get on the ballot! They must be verifiable or they get rejected!!
Not saying any of these attempts are bad but I am saying we need to do something about it and stop talking!! I have been willing to donate my time to fight this "25 Mile Rule"!! I have been yelling from the top of Squaw Peak mountain since day 1~!!
Compassion First AZ, AZCS, CAMP 420 & NORML have stated their support of Repealing the "25 Mile Rule" It is time to hold such folks to their word!! Not saying they have not helped! But it is time to start dropping monies into a change!
I see many attempts to repeal the "25 Mile Rule" but there is not 1 person that is truly organized to get Us on the ballot! This should be the focus! Correct me if I am wrong?
I am willing to jump through a few hoops for folks and collect signatures. Who is with me?
Contact info - [email protected]
RedbullGivesYouWings
Active Member
I could not find said petitions, but am more then willing to help any way I can
Chronicseeker
New Member
They must be past there end/turn-in date.?.?
Another point that has been brought up previously is that the 25 mile rule goes against the Arizona constitution because it forces citizens to utilize a state health care system(dispensaries). I am probably not wording this correctly and I am unsure of the validity of this claim but I though it should be brought to light.
If something was against the AZ constitution would that not be grounds for a dismissal?
RedbullGivesYouWings
Active Member
Email sent sir
Lucius Vorenus
Well-Known Member
Incorrect. Your first posts on this forum were trying to pimp out cultivation services for Hortus ONe. After a very mild amount of research into them I saw them spamming Craigslist and later found out they used pics on their site of "grow rooms" that were photos I could find elsewhere on the web.
Not sure why you keep coming back to me but for a guy who has been on this forum for a very short time, you sure did ruffle a lot of feathers.
I don't wish you or anyone in your group anything but success, alas im an old man who happens to be heavily invested in this industry, heavily involved with getting this proposition put through, highly involved with the politics of doing so for almost 3yrs now. Forgive me if I am not the easiest to buy into the new guys "expertise", mass quantities of opinions or bullshit.
cheers
Chronicseeker
New Member
I like to bring facts to life that is all. I came on this forum to share knowledge after reading a bunch of inaccurate info that people were giving to one another. Sorry it took me so long, jk.... There are some great posters on here and I respect their words and great info, so THANK YOU to those individuals.
Im glad you are heavily invested, I totally misjudged you I guess, from your posts I thought your were either fairly young or possibly Gerald Gaines, lol... You say that you are so deep into this scene, props for immersing yourself, but let me tell you, getting into bed with everyone you can in the industry does not give you any experience whatsoever. ESP. if those players do not know about said industry. On the contrary it paints you as someone who is constantly reaching for something they cannot obtain on their own. I bet whatever op you are apart of will have meds @ $60 and 1/8th. Initially you were pumping ounces to patients at $350, foreshadowing here, how long have you been producing? You seemed surprised in another post about transplanting into different mediums.?.? Good luck to you sir, I can only wish you the best as you have me and FYI "dont buy into the new guy", you are a new guy. Maybe not on the forum but this industry is your first rodeo for sure. You can tell me otherwise but you actions/comments would suggest so.
Heavily involved with getting prop 203 passed? Should we start blame you for the implementation of the 25 mile rule?
I just ruffle feathers when they need to be, is there a problem with being a realist?
I dont care about the next up and coming company, there are a million here in AZ. I just dont think it is fair to judge people when you yourself has no industry experience except meeting players or considering yourself one. Or does money give you experience, because I in that case I would like you to sell me some, I can afford it. I did not, nor did anyone else judge CFCC or other similar businesses until I saw and spoke with people and their operation. To be honest on the surface, what they are offering sounds great and unsuspecting patients and caregivers fell for it. You even reached out to Gerald in the forums while he is being ripped apart, social climber if I have ever seen one, grabbing every foothold possible... I have never met you but I could probably pick your oh so humble self out of a crowd in an instant...
All I want is patients to have quality meds at a decent price, I am a patient myself. Sorry, I thought I mentioning medical marijuana related services, that could possibly benefit people, on a public information forum was a good idea. I mean is this not the place to talk about stuff like that?
This will probably cause another rant of self entitlement, a huge thing in AZ I have come to realize.
Let the future medicine and the prices talk for themselves, its a shame to think that someone would instantly turn down help solely due to a judgmental mentality, regardless of the weight they think they hold in the Arizona industry. I like how you talk yourself up in your posts, make me realize what is in-store for the patients. A bunch of wealth fondling each other in the dark is not going to make you successful.
Everyone in AZ needs to open their eyes and hearts to this industry, patients are suffering everyday and people who can only see dollar signs are not the answer.
BeaverHuntr
Well-Known Member
Gov. Brewer is being put on blast to end the Medical Marijuana Program in AZ.. This is off AZcentral.com looks like they still dont want dispensaries here..
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/07/30/20120730brewer-urged-halt-medical-marijuana-program.html
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/07/30/20120730brewer-urged-halt-medical-marijuana-program.html