A REAL commitment to change the 25-mile rule

HB DC said:

If the only mean of communication is through Facebook!! Good luck mate!

At least 1 time per week you hear about "facebookers" who get arrested for non sense they post on Facebook!!

Back to the issue!!!

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They aren't a compassion club mate. They literally just have a bunch of Caregivers and those Caregivers get 5 patients. As for contact, if you're legit i'm sure they will contact you back. They have paperwork you have to fill out beforehand and they don't sell any meds.

Last I recall PHX NORML supports repealing the "25 Mile Rule"

If you are willing to send a letter to NORML and ask for their help to fight the "25 Mile Rule" we all may get the support needed! And most importantly the attention of the masses!!

Email a VERY personal letters to the follow address - [email protected]

Send a email to each of theses persons with the email address above....

• Butch
• Rain
• Kathy
• Lori
• Rick
• Eric
• Mike

Ask for their support to repeal the "25 Mile Rule"

We need an action and no more talking!!! We have allowed this to be delayed over and over! Prospecting dispensary owners obviously want the "25 Mile Rule" to stay as long as possible! Though there has been 1 or 2 persons who claim to be against the "25 Mile Rule" but have simple delayed!

new compassion first said:

"Get it in the new law, stop complaining about the existing law."

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- Mr.Gaines
Statements such as these shall be CLEAR... And show one's intent!! A pocket full of wool shall trick the masses?


There are 2 options folks!!!

Option #1
Read post #1 A Voter initiative



Option #2
Declaratory judgement & an injunction through the Superior Court!

I believe many are not going this route simply because it will put the dispensaries on the back burner AGAIN!! Hence, no profits for dispensary owners!! I am fine with the current laws! The only portion I would have amended is A.R.S. 36-2804.02 (A)(3)(f) aka "25 Mile Rule" Nothing MORE nothing Less!

Your 23 page litigation would through!! Can we get some help filing litigation against the"25 Mile Rule"?

What do you say Mr. Gaines?

10k would get this started!

Are you willing to help the Patients of Arizona Mr.Gaines?

Many forget about Word of Mouth! In such a small community you would be surprised in what One can do!!


Contact info - [email protected]

HB DC said:

If the only mean of communication is through Facebook!! Good luck mate!

At least 1 time per week you hear about "facebookers" who get arrested for non sense they post on Facebook!

I recommend deleting your facebook if it has ANY thing to do with Cannabis!! Just my opinion!!

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Same person who decried organizations who use Facebook. "Messy" was the term if I'm not mistaken.
Now you are telling people to source a group that can only be found on Facebook?
Not trying the hate but that is very hypocritical....

HB DC said:

Last I recall PHX NORML supports repealing the "25 Mile Rule"

If you are willing to send a letter to NORML and ask for their help to fight the "25 Mile Rule" we all may get the support needed! And most importantly the attention of the masses!!

Email a VERY personal letters to the follow address - [email protected]

Send a email to each of theses persons with the email address above....

• Butch
• Rain
• Kathy
• Lori
• Rick
• Eric
• Mike

Ask for their support to repeal the "25 Mile Rule"

We need an action and no more talking!!! We have allowed this to be delayed over and over! Prospecting dispensary owners obviously want the "25 Mile Rule" to stay as long as possible! Though there has been 1 or 2 persons who claim to be against the "25 Mile Rule" but have simple delayed!



- Mr.Gaines
Statements such as these shall be CLEAR... And show one's intent!! A pocket full of wool shall trick the masses?


There are 2 options folks!!!

Option #1
Read post #1 A Voter initiative



Option #2
Declaratory judgement & an injunction through the Superior Court!

I believe many are not going this route simply because it will put the dispensaries on the back burner AGAIN!! Hence, no profits for dispensary owners!! I am fine with the current laws! The only portion I would have amended is A.R.S. 36-2804.02 (A)(3)(f) aka "25 Mile Rule" Nothing MORE nothing Less!

Your 23 page litigation would through!! Can we get some help filing litigation against the"25 Mile Rule"?

What do you say Mr. Gaines?

10k would get this started!

Are you willing to help the Patients of Arizona Mr.Gaines?

Many forget about Word of Mouth! In such a small community you would be surprised in what One can do!!


Contact info - [email protected]

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Mr. Gaines, please stand-up!
you were very active for quite sometime defending yourself, let's get something physical rolling. I will be sending a letter to Phoenix norml ASAP. Forum goers: If you are reading this post, you have access to a keyboard, take 20 min and write a letter. It can only help....

if i was in Phx id be up to help out..... unfortunately the Tucson Norml scene is busted with fool and scammers.

Chronicseeker said:

Same person who decried organizations who use Facebook. "Messy" was the term if I'm not mistaken.
Now you are telling people to source a group that can only be found on Facebook?
Not trying the hate but that is very hypocritical....

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That group was using CRaigslist and spamming. I think they were calling themselves HortusOne.com

Didn't know there was anything wrong with using Facebook. As a matter of fact many of the best grow networks out there right now are private groups on FB. Some of you are on the same ones with me. Some aren't.

Chronic- I notice you're a new member here, is your sole intention of joining this forum to stir the pot? Serious question. Just curious.

HB DC said:

Last I recall PHX NORML supports repealing the "25 Mile Rule"

If you are willing to send a letter to NORML and ask for their help to fight the "25 Mile Rule" we all may get the support needed! And most importantly the attention of the masses!!

Email a VERY personal letters to the follow address - [email protected]

Send a email to each of theses persons with the email address above....

• Butch
• Rain
• Kathy
• Lori
• Rick
• Eric
• Mike

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I know most those people pretty well and know there are already doing what they can. What was the purpose of emailing them exactly?

Chronicseeker said:

Mr. Gaines, please stand-up!
you were very active for quite sometime defending yourself, let's get something physical rolling. I will be sending a letter to Phoenix norml ASAP. Forum goers: If you are reading this post, you have access to a keyboard, take 20 min and write a letter. It can only help....

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Agree!

Lucius Vorenus said:

I know most those people pretty well and know there are already doing what they can. What was the purpose of emailing them exactly?

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To get a plan and stop talking! Not saying They are not doing anything! But as far as the "25 Mile Rule" goes; Not much action!! Unless I have not been informed of actions or plans!!

Lucius Vorenus said:

That group was using CRaigslist and spamming. I think they were calling themselves HortusOne.com

Didn't know there was anything wrong with using Facebook. As a matter of fact many of the best grow networks out there right now are private groups on FB. Some of you are on the same ones with me. Some aren't.

Chronic- I notice you're a new member here, is your sole intention of joining this forum to stir the pot? Serious question. Just curious.

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I was previously quoting you, that is all....
Not trying to stir any pot just bring points to light, show some good plants to people who respect it and give what advice I can.
Sometimes it is hard for me to refrain from commenting on certain things, hypocrisy and idiocy mainly.. (That is not directed toward you specifically Lucius, im just throwing it out there.)
Back to focusing on the 25 mile rule..

I'd like to see dispensaries relegated to BFE, the way Nevada does brothels. Do you think it would be possible to get a city ordnance banning dispensaries 25 miles from schools or city limits? I think that'd have a much higher chance of passing than allowing people to grow within 25 miles of a dispensary. The feds are also against larger, more commercialized operations rather than smaller, personal and true caregiver grows, which I have to agree with them on in that regard. True medical marijuana is not about the money(or non-profit), it's about the chi. Some patients get as much theraputic benefit out of tending to their plants as they do medicating with them. Too many people are looking at this as a gold mine when they should be looking at it as a liberation of human rights.

KT420 said:

I'd like to see dispensaries relegated to BFE, the way Nevada does brothels. Do you think it would be possible to get a city ordnance banning dispensaries 25 miles from schools or city limits? I think that'd have a much higher chance of passing than allowing people to grow within 25 miles of a dispensary. The feds are also against larger, more commercialized operations rather than smaller, personal and true caregiver grows, which I have to agree with them on in that regard. True medical marijuana is not about the money(or non-profit), it's about the chi. Some patients get as much theraputic benefit out of tending to their plants as they do medicating with them. Too many people are looking at this as a gold mine when they should be looking at it as a liberation of human rights.

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Hey mate! I don't think it could have been said better!!

What school wants a dispensary down the street? NONE

30 miles from any school or Church would be perfect!

KT420 said:

I'd like to see dispensaries relegated to BFE, the way Nevada does brothels. Do you think it would be possible to get a city ordnance banning dispensaries 25 miles from schools or city limits?

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Well that would never happen so....

Also, you do realize that the AMMA was created for the masses of patients, not for the Caregivers and Growers? Using your scenario there would be no Dispensaries and the 50,000+ patients that have NOT gotten their cards yet, won't.

Contrary to popular belief, many folks out there that need meds are not willing to go to an illegal "compassion" club or Craigslist dealer and pay the $70 1/8th.

Dispensaries are coming and that's the bottom line. Only the feds can shut them down now and let's hope that doesn't happen.

Lucius Vorenus said:

Well that would never happen so....

Also, you do realize that the AMMA was created for the masses of patients, not for the Caregivers and Growers? Using your scenario there would be no Dispensaries and the 50,000+ patients that have NOT gotten their cards yet, won't.

Contrary to popular belief, many folks out there that need meds are not willing to go to an illegal "compassion" club or Craigslist dealer and pay the $70 1/8th.

Dispensaries are coming and that's the bottom line. Only the feds can shut them down now and let's hope that doesn't happen.

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^^ strong point here.. it was designed for the patients not the caregivers/growers.

Lucius Vorenus said:

Well that would never happen so....

Also, you do realize that the AMMA was created for the masses of patients, not for the Caregivers and Growers? Using your scenario there would be no Dispensaries and the 50,000+ patients that have NOT gotten their cards yet, won't.

Contrary to popular belief, many folks out there that need meds are not willing to go to an illegal "compassion" club or Craigslist dealer and pay the $70 1/8th.

Dispensaries are coming and that's the bottom line. Only the feds can shut them down now and let's hope that doesn't happen.

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I would rather see the feds walk in and close everyone down then the patient is in control again.

Lucius Vorenus said:

Well that would never happen so....

Also, you do realize that the AMMA was created for the masses of patients, not for the Caregivers and Growers? Using your scenario there would be no Dispensaries and the 50,000+ patients that have NOT gotten their cards yet, won't.

Contrary to popular belief, many folks out there that need meds are not willing to go to an illegal "compassion" club or Craigslist dealer and pay the $70 1/8th.

Dispensaries are coming and that's the bottom line. Only the feds can shut them down now and let's hope that doesn't happen.

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My friend! The point is not that!

The point is even if 1 patient wanted to grow for themselves they shall be able to and NOT be forced to go to a dispensary or as you call them, " illegal compassionate clubs".

BeaverHuntr said:

^^ strong point here.. it was designed for the patients not the caregivers/growers.

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It seems to be designed for dispensaries!! Then patients!

personified said:

I would rather see the feds walk in and close everyone down then the patient is in control again.

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I agree!!

Yeah it was designed with the patient in mind as just a walking money bag that will go and consume and buy and consume. It was not designed to give the best and most cost effective form of care.

personified said:

I would rather see the feds walk in and close everyone down then the patient is in control again.

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noooooooo.....then the patient is made into a criminal again.

irieie said:

Yeah it was designed with the patient in mind as just a walking money bag that will go and consume and buy and consume. It was not designed to give the best and most cost effective form of care.

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I agree it has it's flaws. From a growers side of things I see everyones point. However, lets think about this for a second. This is a baby step on the way to legalization and we now have a legal way to obtain Marijuana legally in Arizona! Let's just all simmer down and appreciate the upsides to things a bit.

Lucius Vorenus said:

I agree it has it's flaws. From a growers side of things I see everyones point. However, lets think about this for a second. This is a baby step on the way to legalization and we now have a legal way to obtain Marijuana legally in Arizona! Let's just all simmer down and appreciate the upsides to things a bit.

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Who is going to obtain medicine @ $500 an ounce, or even $400?
Ridiculous..
In this poor ass state, not to mention..
Just quoting CFCC's quarterly figures.

Flawed for patients most of all IMO.
If this was patient oriented, dispensaries would have been up and running the first go around.
Instead, the powers at be forced patients to buy illegally as well as forced compliant/ potentially suffering individuals to spend money on home cultivation.
Which is now being taken away in a yr and a few months....
NOT FOR THE PATIENTS... Neither are the so called caregivers charging $350 a Z to patients who are providing their 12 plants. It is sad watching people take advantage of one another, when if produced correctly, there should be plenty to go around.

Also not to mention all of the grey areas in the laws that can be easily misunderstood by the typical patient, such as P2P guidelines, ultimately putting patients in a bad situation with the "real law."
Maybe down the rd there will be more patient advocacy, but the department did veto the newly requested condions, requested by patient or future patients.
I don't care too much for their reasoning, it's extremely convoluted.

Chronicseeker said:

Who is going to obtain medicine @ $500 an ounce, or even $400?
Ridiculous..
In this poor ass state, not to mention..
Just quoting CFCC's quarterly figures.

Flawed for patients most of all IMO.
If this was patient oriented, dispensaries would have been up and running the first go around.
Instead, the powers at be forced patients to buy illegally as well as forced compliant/ potentially suffering individuals to spend money on home cultivation.
Which is now being taken away in a yr and a few months....
NOT FOR THE PATIENTS... Neither are the so called caregivers charging $350 a Z to patients who are providing their 12 plants. It is sad watching people take advantage of one another, when if produced correctly, there should be plenty to go around.

Also not to mention all of the grey areas in the laws that can be easily misunderstood by the typical patient, such as P2P guidelines, ultimately putting patients in a bad situation with the "real law."
Maybe down the rd there will be more patient advocacy, but the department did veto the newly requested condions, requested by patient or future patients.
I don't care too much for their reasoning, it's extremely convoluted.

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Just playing devils advocate here but I think people have thrown a lot more blame on Humble than is deserved.

Lets not forget he isn't the one that wrote the shitty bill to begin with.

Also Jan Brewer is the one who brought things to a halt. I can understand hating on her.