A Glenn Beck Thread

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PadawanBater

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hanimmal said:
Yeah no problem man, we can disagree that is why this country is great! I definantly respect peoples opinions, and am willing to change mine because I do like to figure out where the other side of this is.

I used to be VERY opposed to the patriot act.

But at the same time I never really have been upset about profiling and wiretaps, shit like that. Now that does not mean I am cool with people acting on stupid shit, but if it is going to hurt people I am all for intervention.

I used to work at a bar and would always be driving at 3-4 in the morning to go home. And would get pulled over quit often. But I never really got upset about it, because what if I was drunk, then there would be very good reason to do it. If I was not then, no harm no foul, as long as my shit was up to date, I would be on my way.

I have just basically applied this train of thought to what is going on with the patriot act. After reading all the garbage that people where saying about the H1N1 flu shots and quoting the freedoms in the patriot act, I really got a better grasp of this bill, and realize it is all bullshit.

Really the bill is just giving the power to the people on the ground and cutting out all the overhead and redundancy that causes really bad situations to arise.

Like 9-11. They could have possibly shot down a plane (I believe it was the 2nd one) but were paralyzed with red tape. The patriot act just allowed them to circumvent in cases of real emergencies and act on the best judgment. Similar to stopping people from getting off a subway car and leaving even though they may have the plague and killing thousands of people, because they did not get approval from some congressman that needs to be re-elected.


Now that being said, I know that eventually they will start to use it in ways that it was never intended, I know it (even though I have no proof). But at that point we need to be aware and nip it in the butt. Similar to what they did to Oliver North and the rest of the crack dealing CIA people.

But just as I am never going to be paralyzed with fear of terrorists, I am never going to be paralyzed with fear of the american government. As long as I don't have a good reason to, I will not hurt someone on purpose. So there should never be a reason for me to get caught from this, unless it is a bad mistake, and at that point, so be it because I will help them in everything that I can to catch the right person even if that means sitting in a cell for a couple weeks until it is sorted out.

And I think you know I am not for the Iraq war, and do think that was the wrong war for us. Every country at that point was willing to let us set up shop to get the people that did this (with a couple exceptions) and we fucked it up.
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Same here Han, I respect your opinions even if we disagree.

The thing about the PA that bothers me is how vague the requirement to be labeled ''terrorist'' is. Like LF mentioned, Malcolm X would be considered a terrorist by the PA's standards, same with MLK.

I don't like the idea that some guy behind a desk has the authority to put a tap on my phone if he decides I'm up to some suspicious behavior. It goes past "well if I'm not doing anything wrong, I shouldn't have anything to worry about". If I'm not doing anything wrong, I shouldn't have to worry about my government spying on me illegally with 'terrorism' as a cover to break the law.

To me, that isn't freedom. To me, the PA restricts our freedoms.

Thanks for the thoughts though, you're better at expressing your opinions and views than ol CrackerJax. :joint:
 
hanimmal

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See I definantly understand, and know what you are saying, and do agree with it. Like if they went after Malcolm X or MLK. But that is when they would have proven that they were not up to the responsibility of having the power to do the wire taps with nothing more than circumstancial evidence. Especially if it led to an arrest when there is no terrorism taking place, if they just observed and let it go then nobody would have known. There would be no reason to wire tap me, because there would not even be that little loosely based evidence. And if they did they would find it is all safe. If I got arrested they better have some damn good evidence that I was a terrorist.

And if they did do the tapping, 1. it would cost a lot of money to do it so they would not be able to just jump on all claims of terrorism, and 2. it would prove that they could not handle it. And at that point we push to get it repealed (because it is already in place). So that is why I am not worried about it. There is no reason to get upset about it yet, and the government has not given us a reason to rally against it.

I am against it when they go too far, but until then fuck it let them catch a few people looking to blow shit up.
 
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Check this out: The other day, I went to a bank to buy a cashier's check for $650. I handed the teller $650 in cash and before she gave me the check, she asked to see my driver's licence. When I refused to give her my licence, she said that she wouldn't issue the cashier's check. I asked her why on earth would I have to show my I.D. when I was paying cash? Her answer: "Its part of the Patriot Act." I handed over my licence and she made note of the licence number. Who knows which department and which crusty old bureaucrat, living his life out in a dusty pigeon hole, will be violating my economic liberty with this information?

Now I'm thinkin' ... we've lost the War on Terror. The terrorists are running our government.
 
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Let's stop assuming that the govt. is inherently evil..... they are mostly just inept....
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I never assumed the US government is evil.

But lets actually take a look at what we see.. What we've got is a group of 435 congresspeople who ''represent'' over 300 million Americans. We've got 50 US senators who ''represent'' their state. Then we've got the president and his cabinet, the important ones which make up about another 15-20 people. So in total, there are about 500 people making the rules for every single individual in the nation.

Each one of these people in government, specifically the Congress and Senate, wish to keep their seat. While I wouldn't go so far as to say any of them are ''evil'' (whatever subjective definition you give for that word), they CLEARLY do evil things with intentions that could easily be interpreted as ''evil'' by many people.

Legalizing tobacco while criminalizing cannabis is a perfect example of the way greed supercedes life in our capitalist system. People make money off of selling a product that kills and the government turns a blind eye because the tobacco companies are in the governments back pocket. - if that's not evil, I'd love for you to tell me what is.

One final note on your post CJ, I think it's a better idea to be skeptical about anything rather than take someones word for it. The US government has shown me through it's own actions in my own lifetime that they cannot be trusted, they manipulate the law for their own benefit while the common man pays for it. It's a travesty, I'll never stand for that kind of bullshit.

Check this out: The other day, I went to a bank to buy a cashier's check for $650. I handed the teller $650 in cash and before she gave me the check, she asked to see my driver's licence. When I refused to give her my licence, she said that she wouldn't issue the cashier's check. I asked her why on earth would I have to show my I.D. when I was paying cash? Her answer: "Its part of the Patriot Act." I handed over my licence and she made note of the licence number. Who knows which department and which crusty old bureaucrat, living his life out in a dusty pigeon hole, will be violating my economic liberty with this information?
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Now I'm thinkin' ... we've lost the War on Terror. The terrorists are running our government.
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You're already too far gone man, I lost hope with you weeks ago.
 
ViRedd

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PadawanBater said:
I never assumed the US government is evil.

But lets actually take a look at what we see.. What we've got is a group of 435 congresspeople who ''represent'' over 300 million Americans. We've got 50 US senators who ''represent'' their state. Then we've got the president and his cabinet, the important ones which make up about another 15-20 people. So in total, there are about 500 people making the rules for every single individual in the nation.

Each one of these people in government, specifically the Congress and Senate, wish to keep their seat. While I wouldn't go so far as to say any of them are ''evil'' (whatever subjective definition you give for that word), they CLEARLY do evil things with intentions that could easily be interpreted as ''evil'' by many people.

Legalizing tobacco while criminalizing cannabis is a perfect example of the way greed supercedes life in our capitalist system. People make money off of selling a product that kills and the government turns a blind eye because the tobacco companies are in the governments back pocket. - if that's not evil, I'd love for you to tell me what is.

One final note on your post CJ, I think it's a better idea to be skeptical about anything rather than take someones word for it. The US government has shown me through it's own actions in my own lifetime that they cannot be trusted, they manipulate the law for their own benefit while the common man pays for it. It's a travesty, I'll never stand for that kind of bullshit.



You're already too far gone man, I lost hope with you weeks ago.
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You forgot to mention that we have over a million federal bureaucrats at the wheel, many of whom write administrative law and treat it as though its legislative law. Oppressors are oppressors, even unelected oppressors.

Did you vote for Janet Reno? Did you vote for the bureaucrats that decided that a church in Waco was so evil, that their actions should cost the lives of over 80 women and children at the whim of federal bureaucrats named the FBI and BATF?

Did you vote for the bureaucrats named "Federal Marshals" that staked out the little cabin at Ruby Ridge and fired upon private citizens, killing a teenage child and his dog? Did you vote for Lon Horichi (sp) the FBI sniper that took the head shot on Vicky Weaver through the window as she was holding her baby?

Come on man .... like I said, oppressors are oppressors, no matter how well they try to hide their names.
 
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hanimmal said:
I used to work at a bar and would always be driving at 3-4 in the morning to go home. And would get pulled over quit often. But I never really got upset about it, because what if I was drunk, then there would be very good reason to do it. If I was not then, no harm no foul, as long as my shit was up to date, I would be on my way.
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You must have received a lot of infractions, do you speed a lot, drive all over the road, run into things ? What caused you to be pulled over so much?
 
ViRedd

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The fact that he was leaving the bar is probably the reason he was pulled over. Lazy cops like to sit down at the corner waiting for bar patrons to leave so they can get an easy DUI bust.

Not that I'm in favor of driving DUI, just the opposite.
 
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ViRedd said:
You forgot to mention that we have over a million federal bureaucrats at the wheel, many of whom write administrative law and treat it as though its legislative law. Oppressors are oppressors, even unelected oppressors.

Did you vote for Janet Reno? Did you vote for the bureaucrats that decided that a church in Waco was so evil, that their actions should cost the lives of over 80 women and children at the whim of federal bureaucrats named the FBI and BATF?

Did you vote for the bureaucrats named "Federal Marshals" that staked out the little cabin at Ruby Ridge and fired upon private citizens, killing a teenage child and his dog? Did you vote for Lon Horichi (sp) the FBI sniper that took the head shot on Vicky Weaver through the window as she was holding her baby?

Come on man .... like I said, oppressors are oppressors, no matter how well they try to hide their names.
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I've never voted for any of those people.

Oppression in every facet should be fought against.

Like you said, oppression is oppression.
 
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NoDrama

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I didn't think the cops could pull you over just because of where you were. I thought they had to have probable cause, as in a traffic violation, safety violation etc etc etc. Next thing you know they'll be legally able to toss your house while you sit and watch them find evidence to use against you. Where you live it must be presumed that anyone who goes to a bar is drunk, therefore pull anyone over that just came from a bar right?

like the state in which I reside has a seat belt law, but even if the cop sees you with no seat belt he cannot pull you over for it, there has to be a moving violation to enable him to pull you over first.
 
CrackerJax

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I've got no problems what so ever with cops giving DUI's a little stick time. :lol:

They are a hazard on the road..... an unneeded and totally avoidable hazard, except for the piss poor judgment of the drunk, who doesn't seem to mind endangering those around them.

Yes, a bit of stick time is what they need.... :lol:
 
ViRedd

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NoDrama said:
I didn't think the cops could pull you over just because of where you were. I thought they had to have probable cause, as in a traffic violation, safety violation etc etc etc.
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Nope. They sit down the street from a bar at closing time and pull over the first person who drives out of the parking lot. Here's how it goes: "Uh, sir ... the reason we've pulled you over is because you were weaving. Have you been drinking? No? Mind if we do a few tests??

There's an old joke: A guy comes out of a bar at 2 am and staggers over to his car. He pulls out his keys and drops them on the ground. He tries to pick the keys up and HE falls on the ground. He finally staggers to his feet, puts the keys in the ignition, starts the car and drives off. The cops sitting at the corner promptly pull him over and ask him to get out of the car. When he gets out, he's perfectly sober. The cops ask him why he was staggering in the parking lot and his reply was: "I'm the designated decoy!" :lol:
 
Green Cross

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If you want to see just how much liberal media hatred there is for Glen Beck, just Google his name.

Check this out:
MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough Denounces Glenn Beck’s Right-Wing ‘Hatred’

(ChattahBox)—”I don’t care if right-wing nuts get upset with me, that’s just the reality,” said Joe Scarborough on Tuesday during his MSNBC show, Morning Joe, referring to his new efforts to denounce the right-wing rhetoric of hate, racial animus and conspiracy theories peddled to the American public by media personalities like, Fox News’ Glenn Beck.


It goes on.... bla bla bla
 
Green Cross

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Where are all the liberal bloggers today? On the Religion is bad thread or the why is gay marriage bad thread? lol

I come prepared
 
natrone23

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Green Cross said:
If you want to see just how much liberal media hatred there is for Glen Beck, just Google his name.

Check this out:
MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough Denounces Glenn Beck’s Right-Wing ‘Hatred’

(ChattahBox)—”I don’t care if right-wing nuts get upset with me, that’s just the reality,” said Joe Scarborough on Tuesday during his MSNBC show, Morning Joe, referring to his new efforts to denounce the right-wing rhetoric of hate, racial animus and conspiracy theories peddled to the American public by media personalities like, Fox News’ Glenn Beck.


It goes on.... bla bla bla
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Joe Scarborough is a conservative and former republican congressman..............but I guess if he disagrees with your Messaih Glen beck than he is a liberal:roll:
 
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