Padawanbater2
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I would love to hear the replies to that nonsense
Not sure why you altered the interaction completely though
Not sure why you altered the interaction completely though
The Treadmill of Atheism
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Padawanbater2
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The fallacy is what makes the argument wrong...
Finshaggy
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LOL
This shows me that you are a student of Matt Dillahunty, and only understand things to a certain point.
So... If you are an American, and you go to Mexico. And then you are online talking with people about where you are from. You are in Mexico, and you say "I am an American, but I am in Mexico". Someone says "But you are in Mexico, so you are a Mexican". And then you say, no I am not Mexican I am just IN Mexico. And he says, "If you are in Mexico you are a Mexican", which is application of the "No True Scottsman Fallacy". You are saying "You are in Mexico, you are a Mexican" and that is kind of reasonable. but it's not the truth of the matter. You have spotted a fallacy, in that the person in Mexico says they are not Mexican, but you are still wrong, since that person is not a Mexican.
Fallacy Fallacy. And you are basically trying to tell me I am Mexican just because I am in Mexico when it comes to what a "God" is.
If you are going to be "Atheist" you must REJECT ALL GODS. So when someone comes to talk to you about their God, you can't say "Well that's not a God according to my definition". If you have standards for what God is, you are not Atheist. You are Theist. Dumbass.
Padawanbater2
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Being in Mexico does not make you a Mexican
You don't know what the true Scotsman fallacy is
& you don't know what the word atheism means
Yeah, we're done here.
Finshaggy
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Atheists and Christians seems to have this idea that God is a magic man in the sky. I would like to introduce both the Christians and the Atheists to some REAL GODS.
Look at the Ogdoad, this existed since at least 2000 BC it is a list of 8 planets, and how they associated with the seasons here on Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad
Here is Jupiter. Not a magic man, just a statue that represents a planet and represents the way that planet comes during certain seasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_(mythology)
Here is the Almanac. It STILL references the Gods, Jupiter, Saturn, etc. If society stopped using it, farming would be impossible. This is the modern version of the Ogdoad. And again, it STILL uses the names of the Roman Gods/Planets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almanac
Look at the Ogdoad, this existed since at least 2000 BC it is a list of 8 planets, and how they associated with the seasons here on Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad
Here is Jupiter. Not a magic man, just a statue that represents a planet and represents the way that planet comes during certain seasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_(mythology)
Here is the Almanac. It STILL references the Gods, Jupiter, Saturn, etc. If society stopped using it, farming would be impossible. This is the modern version of the Ogdoad. And again, it STILL uses the names of the Roman Gods/Planets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almanac
Finshaggy
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How to Find Your God (Or Realize You Already Had It)
A lot of people like the idea that "I didn't find God, he found me" and that is real poetic in the moment, but over the long term, your God owns you. Your God wants you worshiping him, and when you die he wants you worshiping some more, but you have to like it more.
I would like to let everyone know, God is not meant to find you, you are meant to find your God, and here is how.
Do you have a "Season" that is best for you? (I know some girls talk like that)
Do you have a favorite Sport? (Since Olympic competition and before, sports have been religion rituals)
Do you have a favorite Plant? (Maybe Marijuana, Coffee or Ayahuasca)
Do you have a "Nemesis"?
All of these things are a form of "God", Gods are usually just things that interact naturally. Such as, the Earth and Mars. They interact with each other by having patterns they follow around the sun, and they spin so that certain parts of each planet can only see the other planet at certain times.
The same way Mars and Earth interact (Mars was a God in he Ogdoad, and Terra was Earth), you interact with these things in your life. Seasons effect you, Sports effect you, Plants effect you and your Nemesis effect you. And not everyone is effected by all these things (I know I don't have a Nemesis, unless someone hasn't told me something) but even if you are not effected by these things, society is. And that is a whole other aspect of the Gods outside of yourself. They are here if you accept them or not, and they are not magic people in the sky. But we can make statues to represent them if you really want a magic man.
A lot of people like the idea that "I didn't find God, he found me" and that is real poetic in the moment, but over the long term, your God owns you. Your God wants you worshiping him, and when you die he wants you worshiping some more, but you have to like it more.
I would like to let everyone know, God is not meant to find you, you are meant to find your God, and here is how.
Do you have a "Season" that is best for you? (I know some girls talk like that)
Do you have a favorite Sport? (Since Olympic competition and before, sports have been religion rituals)
Do you have a favorite Plant? (Maybe Marijuana, Coffee or Ayahuasca)
Do you have a "Nemesis"?
All of these things are a form of "God", Gods are usually just things that interact naturally. Such as, the Earth and Mars. They interact with each other by having patterns they follow around the sun, and they spin so that certain parts of each planet can only see the other planet at certain times.
The same way Mars and Earth interact (Mars was a God in he Ogdoad, and Terra was Earth), you interact with these things in your life. Seasons effect you, Sports effect you, Plants effect you and your Nemesis effect you. And not everyone is effected by all these things (I know I don't have a Nemesis, unless someone hasn't told me something) but even if you are not effected by these things, society is. And that is a whole other aspect of the Gods outside of yourself. They are here if you accept them or not, and they are not magic people in the sky. But we can make statues to represent them if you really want a magic man.
Finshaggy
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The "Fallacy Fallacy" AKA Argument from Fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
Just because someone has committed a Fallacy, does not mean they are wrong. It means that a Fallacy has been committed.
If you have heard of "Semantic Trolling" Where someone says "You spelled a word wrong, so you're wrong" that is "Semantic Trolling". The Argument from Fallacy is similar, just because you have spotted a Fallacy, does not mean that the statements the Fallacy was meant to defend are themselves invalid. It just means there is a Fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
Just because someone has committed a Fallacy, does not mean they are wrong. It means that a Fallacy has been committed.
If you have heard of "Semantic Trolling" Where someone says "You spelled a word wrong, so you're wrong" that is "Semantic Trolling". The Argument from Fallacy is similar, just because you have spotted a Fallacy, does not mean that the statements the Fallacy was meant to defend are themselves invalid. It just means there is a Fallacy.
Finshaggy
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The Satanic Ritual You Preform Every Morning
If you are a person who drinks Coffee, you probably don't think much about the process or the beans themselves or where the come from. They are roasted before you get them and they are sometimes ever ground up before you get them. I want to ask everyone, how is Coffee distinct from Tea? Because Coffee is actually just Tea, but, made out of a certain seed and roasted.
Coffee was first growing in Ethiopia, where they didn't use the seeds mainly, but the berries which actually taste better. According to legend, the tribes there would make balls out of the mashed berries, and eat those to get filled with warrior spirit (caffeine).
Then around 1400-1600 AD, Coffee made its way to Yemen wear a Christian mission was, and a Yemenese person brought a Coffee plant to a missionary. And what did Christians do when they heard about a plant that could alter your mental state? He threw it in the fire to be destroyed, hoping it would be gone forever.
The people in the village collected the seeds from the fire, crushed them up and made Tea. This was the first Roasted Coffee Beans in History.
If you are a person who drinks Coffee, you probably don't think much about the process or the beans themselves or where the come from. They are roasted before you get them and they are sometimes ever ground up before you get them. I want to ask everyone, how is Coffee distinct from Tea? Because Coffee is actually just Tea, but, made out of a certain seed and roasted.
Coffee was first growing in Ethiopia, where they didn't use the seeds mainly, but the berries which actually taste better. According to legend, the tribes there would make balls out of the mashed berries, and eat those to get filled with warrior spirit (caffeine).
Then around 1400-1600 AD, Coffee made its way to Yemen wear a Christian mission was, and a Yemenese person brought a Coffee plant to a missionary. And what did Christians do when they heard about a plant that could alter your mental state? He threw it in the fire to be destroyed, hoping it would be gone forever.
The people in the village collected the seeds from the fire, crushed them up and made Tea. This was the first Roasted Coffee Beans in History.
Finshaggy
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Have you ever wondered why medicine and law are called "Practices"?
Not many things are called "Practices". Usually when it comes to a job, you only practice when you aren't really working. The practice is for before the work, right?
Well, not in Law and Medicine. You may have noticed something strange about Law and Medicine that you don't see in many other professions. They use ancient symbols for their "Craft". Doctors have the symbol of Mercury, with the staff and the snake and the wings, while Lawyers have Justice AKA Ma'at, the woman with the sword and a scale, wearing a blindfold.
The reason these ancient Symbols are there, and the reason Medicine and Law are called "Practices" is because they started as religions.
Our modern Hospitals originate in Ancient Greece, where Western Medicine was started as well. A man name "Hippocrates" started it after reading about the life of Imhotep/Aesculapius and being educated. Doctors in 2014 (or 2015 if you are reading this later) STILL say the Hippocratic Oath. Doctors are simply passing down the traditions that were started by Imhotep and Hippocrates (Surgery and Medicine). While Lawyers, Judges, etc are keeping society's "Codes".
Not many things are called "Practices". Usually when it comes to a job, you only practice when you aren't really working. The practice is for before the work, right?
Well, not in Law and Medicine. You may have noticed something strange about Law and Medicine that you don't see in many other professions. They use ancient symbols for their "Craft". Doctors have the symbol of Mercury, with the staff and the snake and the wings, while Lawyers have Justice AKA Ma'at, the woman with the sword and a scale, wearing a blindfold.
The reason these ancient Symbols are there, and the reason Medicine and Law are called "Practices" is because they started as religions.
Our modern Hospitals originate in Ancient Greece, where Western Medicine was started as well. A man name "Hippocrates" started it after reading about the life of Imhotep/Aesculapius and being educated. Doctors in 2014 (or 2015 if you are reading this later) STILL say the Hippocratic Oath. Doctors are simply passing down the traditions that were started by Imhotep and Hippocrates (Surgery and Medicine). While Lawyers, Judges, etc are keeping society's "Codes".
Finshaggy
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Plausible Deniability Still Makes You An Ass
A lot of people like to live their lives as if they are the CIA and they need to be protected. I am not sure when this happened, but at some point a lot of people decided "If the person I say things about doesn't hear it, I can just say I never said it". And sure, you can SAY that. But that doesn't mean that other people keep their mouths shut, or that you aren't an asshole. You are still an asshole.
Plausible Deniability was used to keep people from knowing when the CIA was involved in murders, and now people are using it to make sure their friends and strangers don't know what they said about them. How about just don't say shit you don't think is really worth saying? Why live your life like someone on trial?
A lot of people like to live their lives as if they are the CIA and they need to be protected. I am not sure when this happened, but at some point a lot of people decided "If the person I say things about doesn't hear it, I can just say I never said it". And sure, you can SAY that. But that doesn't mean that other people keep their mouths shut, or that you aren't an asshole. You are still an asshole.
Plausible Deniability was used to keep people from knowing when the CIA was involved in murders, and now people are using it to make sure their friends and strangers don't know what they said about them. How about just don't say shit you don't think is really worth saying? Why live your life like someone on trial?
Finshaggy
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Science VS God: The Ancient Debate
http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2014/10/science-vs-god-ancient-debate.html
http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2014/10/science-vs-god-ancient-debate.html
tyler.durden
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Do you find yourself interesting?
Finshaggy
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I have told you guys over and over, I don't expect to live long. Everyone points guns at me because I smoke weed. Usually the Police. And I have not ever heard of someone that just always has guns pointed at them and doesn't get shot.
I'm just sharing information. Fuck you.
Finshaggy
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Everyone likes to think of Hannibal Barca (Not Hannibal the Cannibal) as the worst person in History, but this was simply the way Rome painted him, it is not the truth. Hannibal was responding to the Empirical War Machine known as Rome, who his dad had spent and given his life to keep out of Africa. So he wasn't going to let Rome into Africa, that doesn't mean he was the bad guy in the situation. And even more-so since Rome broke their own treaty to defend a small ally town Hannibal was attacking on his side of the river.
But the Gisgo quote is probably the most amazing quote in the whole story of the life of Hannibal Barca. The setting was Hannibal in charge of 50,000 troops from different nations. Africans, Spaniards & French people who had never seen anyone defeat a Roman force until they met Hannibal.
Rome has 90,000 soldiers, who were all better armed, better armored, better trained, less diverse nationally and supposedly with better leadership.
Gisgo was one of Hannibal's officers and he came to him and said:
"They have many more men than us, we will not win today"
Hannibal replied:
"It seems something has escaped you. In all their vast numbers, there is not one of them named Gisgo".
That day 50,000 men killed 70,000 men and sent the other 20,000 (survivors) out of 90,000 running. And at that time the phrase was coined "Hannibal is at the gates" which businessmen still say today (or did until like the 80s if they don't now) when they have a client who is particularly difficult to deal with.
But the Gisgo quote is probably the most amazing quote in the whole story of the life of Hannibal Barca. The setting was Hannibal in charge of 50,000 troops from different nations. Africans, Spaniards & French people who had never seen anyone defeat a Roman force until they met Hannibal.
Rome has 90,000 soldiers, who were all better armed, better armored, better trained, less diverse nationally and supposedly with better leadership.
Gisgo was one of Hannibal's officers and he came to him and said:
"They have many more men than us, we will not win today"
Hannibal replied:
"It seems something has escaped you. In all their vast numbers, there is not one of them named Gisgo".
That day 50,000 men killed 70,000 men and sent the other 20,000 (survivors) out of 90,000 running. And at that time the phrase was coined "Hannibal is at the gates" which businessmen still say today (or did until like the 80s if they don't now) when they have a client who is particularly difficult to deal with.
greasemonkeymann
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this has got my vote for the most stupid thread. Ever. I'm so glad i'm at work right now, if I read all that on my OWN time, i'd be pissed...
tyler.durden
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I find that strange. How does smoking weed correlate with people pointing guns at you? I smoke weed every day and no one threatens me with a gun. And I have two ex-wives...
Finshaggy
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How Dreaming Started All Religion
http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-dreaming-started-all-religion.html
http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-dreaming-started-all-religion.html
Finshaggy
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I am from Texas and it was bad there. I had more weed than I should have and I helped people out a lot with stuff like that. So people police and non would pull guns on me. Colorado has been fine, but the 4/20 rally did have gun shots which is weird.
Finshaggy
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What Atheism Meant To Me When I Was Atheist, And What I See Now
I am not an Atheist anymore, but I was in high-school. I had a friend who was Agnostic and I had never even really heard of that before. I was going to Church confirmation class and I asked "Do Jews go to Hell?" and the church lady wouldn't answer, so I was just like "Why am I Christian?"
So I became atheist. And to me it meant that I was looking for the "Right God" I was not part of any faith, I was just on the outside looking through all of them, seeing if I could accidentally find a God.
Then I found Shiva and I realized that I am like Rudra. Then I found out that Ancient Egyptian God Temples were really just science classrooms. so it really made no sense to me to be Atheist, unless we are talking about a Magic Man in the sky.
I don't feel like there are any Atheist left who want to know if God exists. They all went through confirmation class or whatever and now they think they know everything about everything. What is that? Can't they just say "I don't know" every once in a while? It is a fine answer.
I am not an Atheist anymore, but I was in high-school. I had a friend who was Agnostic and I had never even really heard of that before. I was going to Church confirmation class and I asked "Do Jews go to Hell?" and the church lady wouldn't answer, so I was just like "Why am I Christian?"
So I became atheist. And to me it meant that I was looking for the "Right God" I was not part of any faith, I was just on the outside looking through all of them, seeing if I could accidentally find a God.
Then I found Shiva and I realized that I am like Rudra. Then I found out that Ancient Egyptian God Temples were really just science classrooms. so it really made no sense to me to be Atheist, unless we are talking about a Magic Man in the sky.
I don't feel like there are any Atheist left who want to know if God exists. They all went through confirmation class or whatever and now they think they know everything about everything. What is that? Can't they just say "I don't know" every once in a while? It is a fine answer.