How do i get solid heavy buds ?

MustangStudFarm

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man you can talk, alot !! but some good info, i like the asprin one, seems like it works on the stems too.

What is it with that stuff ? does it put weight the on buds ? or just harden them.

even this strain dependent ?
I have been running the same strain for about two years and what really pushed me over the newb hump was listening to GreaseMonkey and I started composting. I got an extra half pound from a single 1000w and the smoke was better in every way. I was using espoma products then I switched to using "build-a-soil" with 1/3's, but the full compost is what I am doing from now on!
 
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ganga gurl420

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I have been running the same strain for about two years and what really pushed me over the newb hump was listening to GreaseMonkey and I started composting. I got an extra half pound from a single 1000w and the smoke was better in every way. I was using espoma products then I switched to using 1/3's, but the full compost is what I am doing from now on!
That's what mine is. Compost and espoma. No soil here and the plants are huge. Good job!
 

MustangStudFarm

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whats that ? i googled it but i just got a plant food.

Is this the secret to harder nugs ?


obviously compost would make HUGE difference no doubt.
Espoma plant food is what I was getting off of. If you are interested in composting, you can just add your amendments into it. I was using "down to earth" products after I got off of Espoma... This will get you really damn close. I think that I mostly had to add rock powder like basalt and soft rock phosphate... It would be best to source the ingredients individually so that you know exactly how much of everything being used, but that can be a hassel at first and I used this to get by until I had a better understanding. This stuff is much better than Espoma and super soil, I used Espoma because it was close to TGA's recipe, but I found full compost to work best. That and subbing blood/bone meal with fish/fish bone meal.

http://downtoearthfertilizer.com/products/blended_fertilizer/bio-live-5-4-2/
 

MustangStudFarm

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https://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-Bio-Live-Fertilizer-lb/dp/B00VJN8XTC

$17 plus free shipping for 5lbs...


Also, "Build-a-soil" but they cost more and you would probably benefit more from castings or compost...
http://buildasoil.com/collections/amendments/products/buildasoil-craft-blend-nutrient-pack

The Cootz mix can be ready in 2 weeks if you are mixing everything into 1/3's. 1/3 peat moss, 1/3 aeration, 1/3 compost/vermicompost and obviously the amendments. Still, I found full compost to be better than this. I actually recycled my soil with grass clippings and leaves and it is better than ever!
 

MustangStudFarm

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Yes espoma is a organic line of nutes that is not only awesome but way cheaper then most.
I would stand by "down to earth's" Bio-live because I have used both products. Really, there wasnt a big difference in price or yeild but GreaseMonkey has me watching out for bone meal because of "Mad-Cow" disease and blood meal because it gets acidic and causes PH swings. I am not trying to argue or anything, just stating my reasons.
 

MustangStudFarm

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I use their garden lime.
Here is some Wiki for you... Pay attention to the 2nd paragraph

WIKI:
Rock dust, also known as rock powders, rock minerals, rock flour, soil remineralization, and mineral fines, consists of finely crushed rock, processed by natural or mechanical means, containing minerals andtrace elements widely used in organic farming practices.

The igneous rocks basalt and granite often contain the highest mineral content, whereas limestone, considered inferior in this consideration, is often deficient in the majority of essential macro-compounds, trace elements, and micronutrients.

Rock dust is not a fertilizer, for it lacks the qualifying levels of nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorus.

Rockdust is also the limestone-based product sprayed on walls inside underground coal mines to keep coal dust levels down. This is to prevent coal dust explosions and also to prevent the incidence of black lung disease.
 

MustangStudFarm

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That's what mine is. Compost and espoma. No soil here and the plants are huge. Good job!
I missed this comment earlier! Cool, I didnt know that you composted!!! There are plenty of old heads on here still using Espoma, I think that the compost part is the more important factor here, not amendments...

Edit: I was trying to make up for my earlier comment about Espoma. There is a lot of people with more exp than me still using it.
 
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ganga gurl420

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I use their garden lime.
... espoma makes a whole line of different organics from premixed dry nutes to just bone meals or chicken manures to you name it. I used the biotone starter plus with added granulated chicken manure. But it has a little bit of everything along with added bacteria and fungus. I added those with some ff happy frog bulb food and other then the fact I give them teas and ej bloom (prob don't have to) they have stayed pretty right on target except for the floods ... I added extra n then. It's not THE BEST but it's pretty good stuff for the money.
 

ganga gurl420

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Btw guys... I added the nutes because I'm using composted manure only. It's not enough on its own to give healthy plants and yields. At least cow manure is running about a .5/.5/.5 . This yr amending the manure I am growing the biggest plants I have ever had with stocks bigger then a wine bottle.
I would love to make my own compost one day and mix into the manure but for now til I own my own property espoma is going to have to do. ;)
 

Rasta Roy

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Btw guys... I added the nutes because I'm using composted manure only. It's not enough on its own to give healthy plants and yields. At least cow manure is running about a .5/.5/.5 . This yr amending the manure I am growing the biggest plants I have ever had with stocks bigger then a wine bottle.
I would love to make my own compost one day and mix into the manure but for now til I own my own property espoma is going to have to do. ;)
I'm using cow manure for the first time in my personal garden right now. I did a test this spring with my tomatoes outside and it went well so now I'm doing it with my medical garden indoors. Im doing a mix of my recycled soil (which was peat moss/compost/perlite), my first round of homemade compost, homemade worm castings, and cow manure. For amendments I just added Oyster Shell Flour for extra calcium (makes for stronger stalks!) and as a ph buffer. Along with granular humic acid (for chelation of nutrients, better nutrient uptake).

I'll alternate between doing worm teas, alfalfa and kelp teas, and plain waterings.

Im only in veg now, just freshly potted into 10 and 7 gallon smart pots. All good so far!
 

Olive Drab Green

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Here is some Wiki for you... Pay attention to the 2nd paragraph

WIKI:
Rock dust, also known as rock powders, rock minerals, rock flour, soil remineralization, and mineral fines, consists of finely crushed rock, processed by natural or mechanical means, containing minerals andtrace elements widely used in organic farming practices.

The igneous rocks basalt and granite often contain the highest mineral content, whereas limestone, considered inferior in this consideration, is often deficient in the majority of essential macro-compounds, trace elements, and micronutrients.

Rock dust is not a fertilizer, for it lacks the qualifying levels of nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorus.

Rockdust is also the limestone-based product sprayed on walls inside underground coal mines to keep coal dust levels down. This is to prevent coal dust explosions and also to prevent the incidence of black lung disease.
That is in my Roots Uprising trio.
 

Olive Drab Green

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Here is some Wiki for you... Pay attention to the 2nd paragraph

WIKI:
Rock dust, also known as rock powders, rock minerals, rock flour, soil remineralization, and mineral fines, consists of finely crushed rock, processed by natural or mechanical means, containing minerals andtrace elements widely used in organic farming practices.

The igneous rocks basalt and granite often contain the highest mineral content, whereas limestone, considered inferior in this consideration, is often deficient in the majority of essential macro-compounds, trace elements, and micronutrients.

Rock dust is not a fertilizer, for it lacks the qualifying levels of nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorus.

Rockdust is also the limestone-based product sprayed on walls inside underground coal mines to keep coal dust levels down. This is to prevent coal dust explosions and also to prevent the incidence of black lung disease.
I don't get what you're saying. I don't use it for anything but Cal-Mag. Or I used to. Now I have Elemental.
 

ganga gurl420

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I'm using cow manure for the first time in my personal garden right now. I did a test this spring with my tomatoes outside and it went well so now I'm doing it with my medical garden indoors. Im doing a mix of my recycled soil (which was peat moss/compost/perlite), my first round of homemade compost, homemade worm castings, and cow manure. For amendments I just added Oyster Shell Flour for extra calcium (makes for stronger stalks!) and as a ph buffer. Along with granular humic acid (for chelation of nutrients, better nutrient uptake).

I'll alternate between doing worm teas, alfalfa and kelp teas, and plain waterings.

Im only in veg now, just freshly potted into 10 and 7 gallon smart pots. All good so far!
Your Going to have some awesome happy plants!
 

SPLFreak808

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After you get everything dialed then the limiting factor is mostly genetics and health imo..I've seen dense rock bud from cfl grows and I've seen airy bud under 1kw vice versa, hell I've seen rock hard bud from a 90f grow but we all know you cant do that with every pheno.
 
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