How do i get solid heavy buds ?

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primabudda

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This must be the #1 aim to get denser buds for weight if we talk about the legal money side, so they must be secrets no ones going to say, lol thinking about it now come fight for survival and all that shit no fuckers going to answer this thread with any secrets whatsoever.

So the question is ...... what is the sciency bit anyone ? like the goings on in the Calyxes when they swell etc etc, because you can get swollen but light in weight.


So it must be the #1 aim in this game, yea i rap :) ( not intended )


ok go :)
 
tropicalcannabispatient

tropicalcannabispatient

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primabudda said:
This must be the #1 aim to get denser buds for weight if we talk about the legal money side, so they must be secrets no ones going to say, lol thinking about it now come fight for survival and all that shit no fuckers going to answer this thread with any secrets whatsoever.

So the question is ...... what is the sciency bit anyone ? like the goings on in the Calyxes when they swell etc etc, because you can get swollen but light in weight.


So it must be the #1 aim in this game, yea i rap :) ( not intended )


ok go :)
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get some good lights, good soil, dial in your temps rt/rh, good water and feeding schedule, supply all the plant needs and she will reward you with good medicine, ALSO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS GENETICS SOME STRAINS DONT PACK ROCK HARD NUGS NO MATTER WHAT U DO., GL
 
In Shape Vet

In Shape Vet

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how many cycles have you run? it took me a bit of experience to notice what swell really was and how pushing for later harvest can have an impact.

also some strains just make tiny buds. iv learned this from experience as well.

You can also use PGRs such as paclobutrizol. Prepared solutions are very costly and you wont be fooling anyone trying to play off the nugs as natural as paclo really does make a difference. Strain is a very key roll to push to its limits with nutes and light.
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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I know everyone says genetics, I'm sure they are right. But an ideal set up is vital. May sound a bit of a basic thing to point out.
Lots of light helps but no amount of light will help without the right air exchange.
I have said this before but will give an example.
Me and my mate have grown for about the same time, I have probably grown about a year longer than he has but that's nothing to write home about, we grow the same strains, usually from my mothers, I had 3 600s in a 1.2m x 2.4m, he ran 4x 600s in a roughly 2mx2m.
My air exchange was more than enough, his was slightly under ideal. With the same medium and nutrients and attention my buds were twice as dense as his, always pretty hard. I figured the only thing it could be was the difference in air exchange, neither of us use co2 so the only way to maintain good levels was through our air exchange.
My suspicions were confirmed recently when he had to move house and change his set up due to less room. He kept his air exchange the same but cut down to half the plants and only 2x 600s. For the last grow he did using the same strain we have had a while his buds were for the first time more dense than mine. Pretty damn hard. I was a little miffed but glad for him at the same time.
Anyway as I say I know that's a bit basic, obviously optimum lighting and air exchange should always be maintained.
Just thought it was worth saying. I know a lot of folks who go straight to LED set ups often overlook the basic reason for air exchange just because they find they don't have heat issues.
 
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THE KONASSURE

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even outside I find the more I feed the bigger the buds are and the more taste they have

plant heath is important keeping away bugs mold and stress is important lots of air exchange

inside the lights matter but it`s about what`s best for the area sometimes led`s mean people can run a good level of light with no heat issues and sometimes hps`s mean you can grow in a place in the winter that you`d need heaters for normally

but it does seem to be 50% in the dna so you have to adjust your "love" for each plant to get the best out of them
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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primabudda said:
This must be the #1 aim to get denser buds for weight if we talk about the legal money side, so they must be secrets no ones going to say, lol thinking about it now come fight for survival and all that shit no fuckers going to answer this thread with any secrets whatsoever.

So the question is ...... what is the sciency bit anyone ? like the goings on in the Calyxes when they swell etc etc, because you can get swollen but light in weight.


So it must be the #1 aim in this game, yea i rap :) ( not intended )


ok go :)
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light intensity typically is the limiting factor.
use 1000w HIDS and you'll get dense nugs.
provided the genetics are there.
 
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THE KONASSURE

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greasemonkeymann said:
I don't know if I agree with that
in my experience it's rarely the nutrients being the limiting factor
more often than not
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Yeah but run some plants the same feed one a set amount feed another half, feed one double and one 3 times the amount of the test

Until you feed so much that you get nute burn or a lock out or some ph fuck up or rot feeding more always seems to give heavier buds that taste better

outside is the best way to show this as it cuts out the "light" and "air" factors of an indoor grow

but hardly any indoor grows can match the sun for light power yet we see big nugs even from a 400w hps or small led set ups all the way to 1000w hps and 2000w led lamps

Microbes, bennies, mycor, tricore and soil bacteria play a roll too

anything that means you can pump the pk more without getting a calcium phosphate build up in the root zone

Triacontanol can help but sometimes it just makes your buds grow more hairs and get bigger but they don`t turn into rocks

Aspirin can help make buds harder but can make the leaf harder to trim

flooding them out keeping the rootzone really wet for the last week and reducing the temps can help get weight up too

but still not monster buds, that seems to be down to feeding them and genetics

I`m assuming that anyone after yield is already using a 600w hps or more per M2 some people I have seen use 3 to 4 600`s in a 1.2m x 1.2m tent

I think 2 to 3 lamps in that area is about the most you should use, 4 may give you more buds but they won`t normally be better or bigger just more of them

So yeah I`d assume anyone has already peaked their lights and airflow and temps to the best they can

after that its all about feeding

in dwc I would run the ppm`s higher and higher for 1 plant 2000ppm is normally ok somewhere around 3000ppm most would start to burn, burning one plant just to the point where it would get a tiny bit of white bud, allowed me to find out the max feed I could give

Now some people would say 1000ppm max others 2000ppm, you know I had some strains that would take 2800 even upto 3000ppm`s for 4 weeks with no problems and I know I got frostier tastier buds from them plants because of that

I mean I`ve ran 2 clones outside and fed one double the other, the one I fed more looked to yield more, but the main difference was the buds from the less fed one were lighter and the taste

the well fed plant the buds had more of a taste, more sweet more kushy (it was an ak47 strain) where as the other plant I could taste the dirt it was grown in more because it had not had as much plant food to suck up so the water it sucked up was more earthy and idk how to explain the taste "outdoors" ?

Just more like dirt then sugar

I like my buds to taste like super sugar tasty like strawberries if you want a strawberry to be sweet you feed it more if you want it to taste like the dirt it was grown in you feed it less I guess

obviously the one way around that is organic soil if your good then you can make the soil taste sweet

but I can`t be fooked with that I like coco or foam or rocks or perlite or if I`m able to dwc

but maybe one day when I have more space outside I can start fooking around with 100L to 600L "pots" and some of my own organic soil mixes




@In Shape Vet "paclobutrizol" huh ? Might have to try me some of that I normally use GA3 to make plants taller (better for veg) and triacontanol to make them bush and bud up
 
In Shape Vet

In Shape Vet

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you can also exp with kenitine, i havtnt messed with it much to give you comparison but i recall a large harvest of micro popcorn all over the branches. Paclo is good stuff, a small amount goes a long ways.

GA3 is good stuff. i use it on clones from flowering cuts that are having trouble getting up and going. helps em fluff out and start faster.
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Your fertilizer choices are irrelevant. I've been a synthetic grower and I've been an organic one. While I definitely think it makes a different in smoke quality...yield and density haven't changed.

You need...

Co2 at 1500 ppm from week one of flower...a little bit before while you're in your last week or two of veg is even better.

1000w hid hps light. If you think you've got an led that competes in a side by side then I invite you to do a side by side and show us.

Room environment...yes you need an air conditioner unless it's winter and you live in the northern US or Canada. Even then if you have a big room you still need one. Always exhaust out your stale air when your lights go off. Use a dehumidifier if your room humidity is too high.

And lastly...Genetics. Some seed from a bag of ditch weed won't help you! Any middle east region based indica will give you lots of density and hash. Headband 818 from cali connection seed bank gets crazy dense! There's so many crosses I would just hop on attitude seeds and get whatever is popular. It'll probably give you what you want.
 
In Shape Vet

In Shape Vet

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green house seeds, white rhino is very dense. the plant itsself grows extremely bushy, especially with training and topping. I was concerned with mold because of how dense it grows. responds well to GA3 as where youd normally be using paclo instead. This is where you can exploit the GA3 and jasmonate combo. in the future ill see if i can post some near foxtail yet frosty as hell buds.
 
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primabudda

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THE KONASSURE said:
Yeah but run some plants the same feed one a set amount feed another half, feed one double and one 3 times the amount of the test

Until you feed so much that you get nute burn or a lock out or some ph fuck up or rot feeding more always seems to give heavier buds that taste better

outside is the best way to show this as it cuts out the "light" and "air" factors of an indoor grow

but hardly any indoor grows can match the sun for light power yet we see big nugs even from a 400w hps or small led set ups all the way to 1000w hps and 2000w led lamps

Microbes, bennies, mycor, tricore and soil bacteria play a roll too

anything that means you can pump the pk more without getting a calcium phosphate build up in the root zone

Triacontanol can help but sometimes it just makes your buds grow more hairs and get bigger but they don`t turn into rocks

Aspirin can help make buds harder but can make the leaf harder to trim

flooding them out keeping the rootzone really wet for the last week and reducing the temps can help get weight up too

but still not monster buds, that seems to be down to feeding them and genetics

I`m assuming that anyone after yield is already using a 600w hps or more per M2 some people I have seen use 3 to 4 600`s in a 1.2m x 1.2m tent

I think 2 to 3 lamps in that area is about the most you should use, 4 may give you more buds but they won`t normally be better or bigger just more of them

So yeah I`d assume anyone has already peaked their lights and airflow and temps to the best they can

after that its all about feeding

in dwc I would run the ppm`s higher and higher for 1 plant 2000ppm is normally ok somewhere around 3000ppm most would start to burn, burning one plant just to the point where it would get a tiny bit of white bud, allowed me to find out the max feed I could give

Now some people would say 1000ppm max others 2000ppm, you know I had some strains that would take 2800 even upto 3000ppm`s for 4 weeks with no problems and I know I got frostier tastier buds from them plants because of that

I mean I`ve ran 2 clones outside and fed one double the other, the one I fed more looked to yield more, but the main difference was the buds from the less fed one were lighter and the taste

the well fed plant the buds had more of a taste, more sweet more kushy (it was an ak47 strain) where as the other plant I could taste the dirt it was grown in more because it had not had as much plant food to suck up so the water it sucked up was more earthy and idk how to explain the taste "outdoors" ?

Just more like dirt then sugar

I like my buds to taste like super sugar tasty like strawberries if you want a strawberry to be sweet you feed it more if you want it to taste like the dirt it was grown in you feed it less I guess

obviously the one way around that is organic soil if your good then you can make the soil taste sweet

but I can`t be fooked with that I like coco or foam or rocks or perlite or if I`m able to dwc

but maybe one day when I have more space outside I can start fooking around with 100L to 600L "pots" and some of my own organic soil mixes




@In Shape Vet "paclobutrizol" huh ? Might have to try me some of that I normally use GA3 to make plants taller (better for veg) and triacontanol to make them bush and bud up
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man you can talk, alot !! but some good info, i like the asprin one, seems like it works on the stems too.

What is it with that stuff ? does it put weight the on buds ? or just harden them.

even this strain dependent ?
 
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