World Of Hempy
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Moebius
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I'm trialling the Coco along with my Mapito Hempys atm ... They aren't the same age so I can't do a direct comparison but my strong impression so far is I don't think it's as good. Not in my setup anyways.
I don't think Coco is as 'airy' as Mapito. .. If, heaven forbid I was buried alive, I know which one would be easier to escape from. One would feel like regular earth and the other one would feel like a foam pit. ..... when wet the mapito is just like a sponge.
The growth in the coco just has not taken off in the same way as those in my Mapito Hempy's and they are showing a yellow hue. I've started on the Magne Cal so that may help. ... I should say I have been using a CoCo specific nutrient so it may be the new nutes.
I'm going back to Mapito and today bought another 2x80L sacks. .... I just can't be arsed dialing in the coco when the rockwool works so well.
I don't think Coco is as 'airy' as Mapito. .. If, heaven forbid I was buried alive, I know which one would be easier to escape from. One would feel like regular earth and the other one would feel like a foam pit. ..... when wet the mapito is just like a sponge.
The growth in the coco just has not taken off in the same way as those in my Mapito Hempy's and they are showing a yellow hue. I've started on the Magne Cal so that may help. ... I should say I have been using a CoCo specific nutrient so it may be the new nutes.
I'm going back to Mapito and today bought another 2x80L sacks. .... I just can't be arsed dialing in the coco when the rockwool works so well.
sky rocket
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I'm using coc myself for the first time with house of garden coco nutes. My plants looked kind of stunted or growing slower than the three plants in my dwc but I'm not giving up since its my first time with coco. Gonna try to dial it in before I jump in the deep end of verm/perm and never look back.
Nizza
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is this going to be with that saucer filled with water? i like the idea man, but what about algae creeping up the smart pot from the exposed water? not too sure how snug it fits? i like that shit, but know that to get the full benefits from smart pots they should be either suspended in the air with a fan blowing on it, or on top of an air floor (exhaust at top of room pulling air creating negative pressure that makes air come through an intake under the perforated sub-floor that the plants rest on)
Nizza
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by the way fellas. im battling bad temps in my flower room due to where its located in my house (heat rises) i plan to get a 6" inline which should resolve my 90 degree issues. pretty sure that these plants are toast i had a mega soil one and a couple hempy's, prolly will just finish the big one and put the hempys back to veg. the t5 veg doesnt output a lot of heat and luckily i also took some clones recently . sorry to never have put up pictures yet but ill def be posting up once i get this coco hempy setup thing going !
jela10
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Sky, I'm one of the grow medium freaks here on WOH...I've tried and tried to get DWC performance out of a hempy bucket...but I doubt I'll ever get there..I do narrow the gap sometimes.....however, my baseline for any hempy bucket tweak is that done in plain coco coir with a chunky perlite reservoir. You will dial it in I'm sure of it. Don't freak over yellowish green young ones , they all come back to forest green when old enough to administer nutes. I always add extra cal/mag even with coco specific nutes. When mixing nutes, add the cal/mag first to buffer the water, then your regular nutes. Let the coco breath too with as few watering s as possible. Watch that base stem diameter compared to your verm/perl, you will never go back to verm/perl when you see your final results up top come chop time.
Txchilies
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That is one way to make an air pot work, however in this setup it will still work as the sides will let it breath. I have grow in 7 gallon smart pot with soil and had no issues other than overflowing the saucer, as the plant would use or the bag and media would absorb the excess water. The disadvantage I see is that the water will evaporate faster that the plant can use it from the res with a fan blowing and the heat from the lights. Though the perlite will hold moisture within and around it, I see the fabric being an issue.
I'm ready to watch this show as I want to see how big the plant get and the yield.
jela10
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Back draft dampers, I've been wanting these for a long time but they were $25 in my local hydro store....I got these for $10 bucks out of E-hydro.com. Since my last couple of strains have been very "low odor", I took out my carbon scrubber out of both tents and let the fans suck all that heat from my lights effortlessly to the outside. Problem is, I run the fans on and off during the dark periods every other hour..there's a dairy not far away and every now an then the house breathes in reverse, smells like a cow plopped a patty in my grow area. (No organics in my nutes there Moe!) There are huge dust storms in the fall months where I live too that could send some dirt back in through the vent lines, not to think about white flies and spider mites from outer space and freaking scorpions crickets and lizards that crawl freely about houses here. Here's a nice way to close up the vent lines when the fan isn't running. You can see a spring that keeps the inner flap's shut when airflow doesn't open them. Installing tomorrow...will show you more details then.
sky rocket
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Good looking out j10. Yeah I know one of my problems I think I'm over feeding them. I'll dial a bit back and wait for the coco to dry out before I feed them and this time not feed too much. I did had to but some cal mag issues early in veg because I thought my house of garden nutes had enough cal mag in the base nutes but did not have enough so I bought some general hydroponic cal mag to remedy the problem.
Soon I will do a side by side comparison with coco vs per/ver in a 2l sog. In the meantime while I wait for my p.e. express moms to produce some more cuttings I'm going to flower my 5 super lemon haze plants in 3 gallon of coco.
jela10
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Cool! Get those lemons hazing for your dial in...because that Pineapple Express is going to change your life...and others if you are the "sharing" type. Compliments are like salmon swimming upstream with PE...they still keep comming....making me want to grow it again. What a robust strain!
jela10
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Wow after seeing that, a 10 gallon hat in the old western movies doesn't even register....keep us engaged bebobson!
jtmx23
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Here's a little update for you guys, I'm fairly new to indoor and this is my first hempy grow, any suggestions are more than weclome. The strain is Afgoo, flo-n-gro system with fabric liners filled with chunky perlite and topped off with hydroton. They were vegged in rockwool and transplanted into perlite 3 weeks ago, they are currently 2 weeks into flowering. Some of them took off while others didn't aren't growing quite as fast, however I'm still impressed compared to the results I was having with only hydroton. Last two pics is when they were put in and 3 weeks later. I vegged them for 1 week under hps before I flowered. Looking forward to seeing how it all comes out!
Shivaskunk
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My most Sativa looking cross has the milkiest trichomes so far. Hard to tell because of flash but this girl is like 80% milky already at just short of 7 weeks. No amber at all that ive seen but she looks like she could be a true 8 week girl.
Oh heads up for those who dont know...Odorsok is utter rubbish at least for a mid sized grow. My filter went out so i ordered a new one and bought the Odorsok to use until new one got here. I got one with a cfm rating almost double my exhaust fans max cfm and holy fuck my entire block smelled like my growroom (i do have skunk going and the sand widow is a stinker too) literally like i had no filter at all. I stuffed it inside my old can filter and together they are eliminating 50-60% of smell now. Odorsok are cheap as hell for a reason.....to trick people who know better into buying one. Plain and simple.
If you are growing one or two plants with a low terpene profile one might work....but as far as im concerned its a big fuck you to Odorsok...they know what their customers do and obviously dont care.
Oh heads up for those who dont know...Odorsok is utter rubbish at least for a mid sized grow. My filter went out so i ordered a new one and bought the Odorsok to use until new one got here. I got one with a cfm rating almost double my exhaust fans max cfm and holy fuck my entire block smelled like my growroom (i do have skunk going and the sand widow is a stinker too) literally like i had no filter at all. I stuffed it inside my old can filter and together they are eliminating 50-60% of smell now. Odorsok are cheap as hell for a reason.....to trick people who know better into buying one. Plain and simple.
If you are growing one or two plants with a low terpene profile one might work....but as far as im concerned its a big fuck you to Odorsok...they know what their customers do and obviously dont care.
Shivaskunk
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Your plants look really good. Only thing i wouldnsay about some lagging is that in hempy its suoer important that roots are established in the reserviour before 12/12. I took a few that i was lazy with and moved em into gallon and a half pots right as i switched and they are 1/3rd the size of the ones i let establish themselves.
Moebius
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Haha ... (made me laugh) ... Tooo True !
hope you get your new filter up n' running soon dude.
whocares100
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Working on my Vegetable garden this weekend, beautiful spring day here yesterday...Planted some Tomato seeds and a few others with my granddaughter, she loved it...Boiled some Eggs for Easter and strained the water for the Calcium for my other plants, anyone else use egg shells or coffee grounds?
Moebius
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Heard of egg shells for keeping slugs at bay never for Calcium.
Txchilies
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Yes, save the egg shells and crush them up, mix the coffee grounds after you made coffee and the egg shells in the soil. The water from the boil is good but the shells themsevles will break down and add calcium the coffee ground are a good source of nitrogen.
whocares100
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Yep strained the boiled water and added it to my normal bloom mix,
Eggs, banana peels and coffee grounds for my compost mis in the garden, but the egg water should help the bloomers....Watered everybody in bloom with 2 1/2 gallons of water.
Man the Vault is starting to smell, I opened today and whoosh...I need to get the wall vent put in so it can vent outside.
From a website Used coffee grounds make good soil amendments. That's the buzz among gardeners lately. But what do your coffeepot's leftovers really add to the soil?
To find out, Sunset sent a batch of Starbucks' used coffee grounds ― the company gives them away for free ― to a soil lab for analysis. Turns out the grounds provide generous amounts of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, and copper.
They also release nitrogen into the soil as they degrade. And they're slightly acidic ― a boon in the Western climate.
Dig or till them into the soil to a depth of 6 to 8 inches.
The nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium "guaranteed analyses" would be as follows for the coffee grounds:
Nitrogen: 2.28 percent
Phosphorus: 0.06 percent
Potassium: 0.6 percent
Available nutrient levels: The pH or reaction of the coffee grounds is considered slightly acidic and in a favorable range at 6.2 on the pH scale.
The availabilities of nitrogen, calcium, zinc, manganese and iron are quite low and in some cases deficient. Thus, the coffee grounds will not supply appreciable amounts of these essential plant elements when used as a mineral soil amendment.
However, the availabilities of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and copper are each sufficiently high that there will be a very positive impact on improving availabilities of these elements where the coffee grounds are used as a mineral soil amendment. The coffee grounds will negate the need for additional sources of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and copper when blended with mineral soils.
In summary, the available plant essential elements which will be substantially improved where the coffee grounds are used as a soil amendment, include phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and copper.
Total nutrient levels: Each cubic yard of these coffee grounds contains a total of 10.31 lbs. nitrogen, of which 0.01 lb. (0.09%) are available. Thus, even though available nitrogen is considered deficient in this product, there still remains over 10 lbs. of total nitrogen per cubic yard of coffee grounds. Thus, nitrogen is primarily bound in the organic fraction and is unavailable to plants until soil microorganisms degrade the organic fraction. Through this process, the nitrogen is converted to plant available forms. Over the long term the coffee grounds will act like a slow release fertilizer providing long-term nitrogen input which can then be utilized by plants.
Nearly all potassium and all magnesium are in the available forms. This means that immediate availability improvements for these two elements will take place when the coffee grounds are blended with mineral soils. About half of the copper and calcium are in their immediately available forms.
All other plant essential elements are primarily bound in the organic fraction and will thus be subject to slow release over time as soil microbes continue to degrade the organic fraction.
Physical properties: Virtually all particles passed the 1 millimeter (mm) screen resulting in a product which is very fine textured. Each cubic yard of the coffee grounds will supply an excellent amount of organic matter, measured at 442 lbs. organic matter per cubic yard. At the use rates indicated in this report, the input of organic matter will be substantial and will result in considerable short-term and long-term improvement of mineral soil structure.
Carbon/nitrogen ratio: On the basis of dry matter bulk density (452 lbs. per cubic yard), organic matter content (97.7%) and total nitrogen (2.28%), the estimated carbon/nitrogen ratio is about 24:1. This means that there is more than sufficient nitrogen present in the coffee grounds to provide for the nitrogen demand of the soil microorganisms as they degrade the organic fraction.
Use rate: Based on the overall chemistry and physical properties of the coffee grounds, they can be utilized at rates similar to other organic amendments when used in amending mineral soils. These data indicate that 25-35 percent by volume coffee grounds can be blended with mineral soils of any type to improve structure of those soils.
Eggs, banana peels and coffee grounds for my compost mis in the garden, but the egg water should help the bloomers....Watered everybody in bloom with 2 1/2 gallons of water.
Man the Vault is starting to smell, I opened today and whoosh...I need to get the wall vent put in so it can vent outside.
From a website Used coffee grounds make good soil amendments. That's the buzz among gardeners lately. But what do your coffeepot's leftovers really add to the soil?
To find out, Sunset sent a batch of Starbucks' used coffee grounds ― the company gives them away for free ― to a soil lab for analysis. Turns out the grounds provide generous amounts of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, and copper.
They also release nitrogen into the soil as they degrade. And they're slightly acidic ― a boon in the Western climate.
Dig or till them into the soil to a depth of 6 to 8 inches.
The nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium "guaranteed analyses" would be as follows for the coffee grounds:
Nitrogen: 2.28 percent
Phosphorus: 0.06 percent
Potassium: 0.6 percent
Available nutrient levels: The pH or reaction of the coffee grounds is considered slightly acidic and in a favorable range at 6.2 on the pH scale.
The availabilities of nitrogen, calcium, zinc, manganese and iron are quite low and in some cases deficient. Thus, the coffee grounds will not supply appreciable amounts of these essential plant elements when used as a mineral soil amendment.
However, the availabilities of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and copper are each sufficiently high that there will be a very positive impact on improving availabilities of these elements where the coffee grounds are used as a mineral soil amendment. The coffee grounds will negate the need for additional sources of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and copper when blended with mineral soils.
In summary, the available plant essential elements which will be substantially improved where the coffee grounds are used as a soil amendment, include phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and copper.
Total nutrient levels: Each cubic yard of these coffee grounds contains a total of 10.31 lbs. nitrogen, of which 0.01 lb. (0.09%) are available. Thus, even though available nitrogen is considered deficient in this product, there still remains over 10 lbs. of total nitrogen per cubic yard of coffee grounds. Thus, nitrogen is primarily bound in the organic fraction and is unavailable to plants until soil microorganisms degrade the organic fraction. Through this process, the nitrogen is converted to plant available forms. Over the long term the coffee grounds will act like a slow release fertilizer providing long-term nitrogen input which can then be utilized by plants.
Nearly all potassium and all magnesium are in the available forms. This means that immediate availability improvements for these two elements will take place when the coffee grounds are blended with mineral soils. About half of the copper and calcium are in their immediately available forms.
All other plant essential elements are primarily bound in the organic fraction and will thus be subject to slow release over time as soil microbes continue to degrade the organic fraction.
Physical properties: Virtually all particles passed the 1 millimeter (mm) screen resulting in a product which is very fine textured. Each cubic yard of the coffee grounds will supply an excellent amount of organic matter, measured at 442 lbs. organic matter per cubic yard. At the use rates indicated in this report, the input of organic matter will be substantial and will result in considerable short-term and long-term improvement of mineral soil structure.
Carbon/nitrogen ratio: On the basis of dry matter bulk density (452 lbs. per cubic yard), organic matter content (97.7%) and total nitrogen (2.28%), the estimated carbon/nitrogen ratio is about 24:1. This means that there is more than sufficient nitrogen present in the coffee grounds to provide for the nitrogen demand of the soil microorganisms as they degrade the organic fraction.
Use rate: Based on the overall chemistry and physical properties of the coffee grounds, they can be utilized at rates similar to other organic amendments when used in amending mineral soils. These data indicate that 25-35 percent by volume coffee grounds can be blended with mineral soils of any type to improve structure of those soils.
Hey guys, I think I have an issue with my new drying room. Temps were around 56 degrees/65 humidity so I added a space heater in there which brought temps up to 65 degrees and humidity down to around 30%. The plants dried within 48 hours and I jared them with a hygrometer which read 60%. I opened the jar a day later and the buds didnt have any smell. I grew Northern lights so I didnt expect it to be really dank...But do you think the heater could have been a problem?....My buds usually dry fast but they always have a dank smell so this is new to me