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Moebius

Moebius

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WattSaver said:
So I start my clones in clear (It's wrong but I like to see the roots) 16oz plastic cups filled with FFOF soil.
2 to 3 wks later roots are full and I transplant into 1 gal trade pots (really 2.8 qt) of FFOF with 4 1/2 tbsp of OC+ (Osmocote Plus - controlled release fertilizer [CRF]) So at this point my water is ph to 6.5. I add 5 drops superthrive, 6 drops cal/mag (my water is high tds but has no ca) & 8 drops Florisous plus. I use the Flora+ throughout the grow at this level, it's my snakeoil.

At the end of veg I take the soil plants and finally put them in their 3gal hempy buckets.

2 to 2.5 qts of soil core placed into bucket that is prepped by filling bottom of bucket to about 1" above hole and then spread 1 1/2 tbsp of OC+ layer more perlite to the point where the soil core will reach the proper elevation in the bucket (slightly below the rim) and put in another 1 tbsp of OC+. I now fill perlite around the soil core to above 2 1/2" from the top of the core. Now a small layer of soil another tbsp of OC+ the fill to the top of the core with soil.

There will be no need to feed these buckets again, just water ph in hydro range (5.6 to 6.0)
Photos show both full soil top and full perlite around core. Ran several experiments that were in no way scientific. ended on full soil cap.
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Hmmm, Soil then into a perlite wrap. Like a saugage roll. LOL . Interesting.

I got tired of paying through the nose for nutes over 3yrs ago, and started playing with CRF's that were in the cabinet. My following soil grows were just as good if not better than any liquid nute I had used. As of today I believe that Osmocote is the best CRF available, and they work great in the hempy environment. I'm currently mixing OC+ and OC 14-14-14 during flower and like the results so far. If you want to lean more here's a good thread that covers most everything you need to know to grow with Osmocote.
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Sorry to sound dumb but whats 'CRF's' , I googled it but all I came up with was 'Chronic Renal Failure'.

I like the soil for several reasons, with a soil cap it reduces evaporation, the perlite will wick and keep the soil moist till the rez drys up and then you can feel the soil to know when to water instead of lifting (which I do anyways). The root seem to really like the little bit of soil and can support alot of plant, + I get the same helpful buffering as with a straight soil grow. I'm currently running a outdoor hempy plant and I'm just watering with straight tap (tds 450 ph 7.1) just to see how it does and it is thriving. I would recommend using OC in any soil or hempy grow. One edit here I'm trying some 2L's this run for the 1st time, I started with 1 tbsp of OC+ and after 6 wks I had a P deficiency. I top dressed wit a tsp of OC+ and it cleared up so next run I'll add a little more and see how it goes for the run.
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I too have considered soil for the EXACT same reason you mention and I couldnt agree more. I'm going to give this Mapito a try as I think it will have the similar properties to a soil/perlit hempy.

Happy Hempy Growin'

PS my OC+ hempy tomato on the deck
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Bravo ! :clap: ... Superb post. ... and setup!
 
Moebius

Moebius

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This is an average height one but skinny. LOL. Bloody rubbish. .... Bring on the cheese



Edit: It may be the case that this one is a week behind the others as I remember adding a clone or two later than the others. Oh well.
 
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Gyroscope

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Some fertilizer dissolves over time and that is called TRF. Time release fertilizer. Osmocote is coated in some kind of polymer shell that leaches out a little bit of nutrient at each watering.Therefore CRF. When using it for cannabis most people use the Osmocote Plus version. It has micros in it. I have read that folks that have heat issues have problems using this because at higher temps it releases the nutes faster than desired.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Gyroscope said:
Some fertilizer dissolves over time and that is called TRF. Time release fertilizer. Osmocote is coated in some kind of polymer shell that leaches out a little bit of nutrient at each watering.Therefore CRF. When using it for cannabis most people use the Osmocote Plus version. It has micros in it. I have read that folks that have heat issues have problems using this because at higher temps it releases the nutes faster than desired.
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Cool, Ive seen them in the garden store but never knew the acronym. Nor was I aware that peeps were having good results with these type of products. ... Like Miracle grow granules or something??

My initial thoughts (may be wrong) would be that one would have to work out the timings well to ensure the plant gets the right level of N.P.K at the correct time in the growth/Flower cycle. .. Sounds tricky, but Wattsaver seems to have a method. :weed:

I really need to explore the full benefits of hydroponic nutrients and want to find the perfect brand, EC's levels and pH. for my next strains.
 
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Gyroscope

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Some folks put some down in the hempy reservoir and some up top and some folks mix it throughout. Supposedly it works pretty good if you have your temps under control and you don't use too much of it. I use regular Osmocote in my vegetable garden, but have yet to try in on MJ. I have seen a lot of grows on other sites where peeps are swearing by it. It is so cheap compared to using brand name hydro nutes. Some people use a little bloom booster near the middle to end of the flowering cycle too.
 
georgyboy

georgyboy

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Moebius said:
Cool, Ive seen them in the garden store but never knew the acronym. Nor was I aware that peeps were having good results with these type of products. ... Like Miracle grow granules or something??

My initial thoughts (may be wrong) would be that one would have to work out the timings well to ensure the plant gets the right level of N.P.K at the correct time in the growth/Flower cycle. .. Sounds tricky, but Wattsaver seems to have a method. :weed:

I really need to explore the full benefits of hydroponic nutrients and want to find the perfect brand, EC's levels and pH. for my next strains.
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Check out homebrewer's dyna-gro vs. gh and dyna-gro vs advanced connoisseur and I think you'll have your answer to the perfect nutrients. I looked around a bunch and remembered hearing good things about dyna gro so I checked out their website and realized that they sold COMPLETE nutrients. One bottle can take you the whole grow with no deficiencies. Then I saw homebrewer's threads and I was totally sold. They are cheap and might be the easiest liquid fert on the market. It practically phs itself. I picked up a bottle each of the foliage pro, grow, bloom, and pro-teKt. Will start posting pics as soon as I start using it.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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A bit of BAD NEWS for me.

Ive got a troublesome cow of a neighbour who bought a house upstairs. Anyways, I hear shes made a complaint to my landlord that shes smells me smoking MJ frequently. The landlord has not contacted me but she (neighbour) told someone who then came to me. This neighbour HATES me. I wouldn't put it past her to call the cops.

I'm really nervous and gutted. I have some nice healthy mothers ready for cloning. 5 cheese, 4 G13, 2 Lemon skunk. I also have 50 rooted clones and 50 unrooted clones (went in last night). .... Ive not flowered/tasted any of them. ... In addition Ive got my fresh harvest (40 hempys) and 25 or so 3 weeks from harvest.

My dilemma after hearing all this bitching, Is 'Do I pull my crop'? .... I'm 95% certain in the next couple of hours I'll do just that..... After that I can really tell this busy-body what I think of her.

Ahhh Mannn ... what to do? what to do? ... Ive gotta feeling? ... and its not that song by the Black eyed peas.... I'm gonna have joint and bubblebath while I ponder this a bit more..... Arrrrgghhh
 
Rusty Shakelford

Rusty Shakelford

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Can you move the grow to another location?? Certainly don't tell us your gonna scrap everything! But again, better to be safe than sorry..
 
georgyboy

georgyboy

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You have to follow your gut on this man. You just mentioned 111 plants, plus a recent harvest. Everytime I ignore my gut I end up with major "why didn't I just...." I really don't want to see you tear down your grow though. Do you have a carbon filter? How quickly can you get one up? You gotta get some odor control in that grow area, and maybe even get a little air purifier for the room that you smoke in most. If you can 100 percent kill the smell then you don't have to worry about the bitch up stairs. Other wise, better play it safe until you can find some 420 friendly neighbors.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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Rusty Shakelford said:
Can you move the grow to another location?? Certainly don't tell us your gonna scrap everything! But again, better to be safe than sorry..
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georgyboy said:
You have to follow your gut on this man. You just mentioned 111 plants, plus a recent harvest. Everytime I ignore my gut I end up with major "why didn't I just...." I really don't want to see you tear down your grow though. Do you have a carbon filter? How quickly can you get one up? You gotta get some odor control in that grow area, and maybe even get a little air purifier for the room that you smoke in most. If you can 100 percent kill the smell then you don't have to worry about the bitch up stairs. Other wise, better play it safe until you can find some 420 friendly neighbors.
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Yeah I got CF filters Georgyboy. ... I think its my spliff smoke thats the problem. ... Its very painful to 'drop the crop' ... as I type this that initial 95% certainty of finishing has dropped to 45%. ... My problem is that I'm a born risk taker with very poor impulse control. I tend to get 'hair-brained' ideas and then I act on them. Some of my exploits in the past have come close to ending me up behind bars with a prime time slot on America dumbest criminals.

Ermmm Ive just talked myself out of giving it up. ... I just cant do it man. They'll have to lock up in a dungeon. FULL SPEED AHEAD. ... If they come I'll try and take a pic HAHA.

What I may have to do is build a 'DOOMSDAY DEVICE' lol. ....... By that I mean if in the eventuality the storm troopers come I need a way of destroying evidence of the high number of plants. .... It may be as simple as one of my 84L cloning boxes, a pair of secateurs, and a few gallons of builders acid. ... If caught im in trouble but I strongly believe in damage limitations.

Anyways .... Thanks for the support and listening to my wavering ... Its not an easy game but hey .. :leaf:
 
sky rocket

sky rocket

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Sucks mobeius. I cant stand snitches. I'll keep y'all hempy guys posted. Im going to have 120x2l bottles under 2x1000 watters under a 5x9 GOrilla tent maybe with co2. My main strain will be dna's holy grail kush. I will grow 6 hgk beans and all will be mothers from dwc or aeroponic. I will take cuttings from all moms and try to find the best pheno and stick with that one after the first grow. Other strains in the works maybe greenhouse slh, DNA's kandy kush, granddady purple. Ive done my research on hempys for the last several months so I'm feeling confident. I'm mainly a dwc and are/ nft style type of grower.
 
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mae

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Hope things turn out ok for ya moebus.
People should mind there own business.
It sucks we have to take such chances just to grow our meds.
I have an outdoor grow going and in just the last 2 weeks in my area, 3 outdoor grows were found and the growers arrested. One was a father and daughter.
I live close to the Canadian border and we not only have to worry about the DEA and local LEO choppers but also homeland security and border patrol choppers.
I just want to be left alone to grow my plants.
 
WattSaver

WattSaver

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Sorry to hear about your neighbor. I've had a few over the yrs that could never validate their use of air others could be breathing.

Well first clear up your smoking smell. My wife used to sell these ozone generating air cleaners, and they work, we still have a small one that we take if we're spending the night in a hotel. http://www.alpineairproducts.com/# they aren't cheap, and you can smell the ozone while they are running which is something that bothers me, but doesn't effect my wife. The other side effect I noticed is the ozone attacks certain imitation rubbers and other polymers. So if you have a rubber band collection, this air purifier will turn them into dried out rubbish after some extended use.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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sky rocket said:
Sucks mobeius. I cant stand snitches. I'll keep y'all hempy guys posted. Im going to have 120x2l bottles under 2x1000 watters under a 5x9 GOrilla tent maybe with co2. My main strain will be dna's holy grail kush. I will grow 6 hgk beans and all will be mothers from dwc or aeroponic. I will take cuttings from all moms and try to find the best pheno and stick with that one after the first grow. Other strains in the works maybe greenhouse slh, DNA's kandy kush, granddady purple. Ive done my research on hempys for the last several months so I'm feeling confident. I'm mainly a dwc and are/ nft style type of grower.
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Sounds like a good plan rocket. :weed: Please Please keep us updated, this thread may only have 100 odd posts but its read by millions. LOL

It does seem like a powerful light setup for 120 bottles. ... You'll have fat buds for sure but are 1WK lamps more suited for blasting their way through dense/thick canopy's as opposed to the relatively low/shallow canopy from 2L bottles?

Well, as you say, youve done the research and I'm sure it will be great.

Snitches are just the worst, but I guess to some people the smell of Ganja is like the smell of dog poo. Its a crazy world.
 
WattSaver

WattSaver

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Moebius said:
Cool, Ive seen them in the garden store but never knew the acronym. Nor was I aware that peeps were having good results with these type of products. ... Like Miracle grow granules or something??

My initial thoughts (may be wrong) would be that one would have to work out the timings well to ensure the plant gets the right level of N.P.K at the correct time in the growth/Flower cycle. .. Sounds tricky, but Wattsaver seems to have a method. :weed:

I really need to explore the full benefits of hydroponic nutrients and want to find the perfect brand, EC's levels and pH. for my next strains.
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It's use is not tricky at all, quite the opposite. 1 1/2 - 2 tablespoons/gal of medium, in a hempy try to keep most out of the rez. It will not burn your plant, no brown tips. OC+ is a 6 month formula, but if grow rm temps are pushing 90 then it's only good for about 4 months. Using OC+ is like using the Lucas system keeping your NPK constant through the grow, except with OC you don't have to vary the strength, it seems to give more when the plant wants more. Depending upon the strain I add bloom boosters during flower, some love it, some can't take it.

Here's a control run I did last fall, with no boosters or food additives. wk by wk shots
4 very different strains. Upper left Trainwreck up right Mr Nice Guy, low right White Widow, low left Purple Voodoo (the retard)

3 wk 001.jpg4 wk 001rui.jpgwk 5 001.jpgwk 7 003.jpgwk 8 MrNiceGone.jpg

This just shows good growth with on ph'ed water, really not that tough.
 
georgyboy

georgyboy

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What size light and what size container did you use? Those plants look pretty damn big man. The buds on that WW are especially nice.
 
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