Why the Obama economics plan is working - BusinessWeek.com

budsmoker87

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And exactly who was in charge when we found out what that bottom was and whose 8 year term directly preceded this mess? Its saddening to see people be so partisan that they seem to root against recovery.
what makes you think his statement was partisan?

i think most ppl have grown up and realized dem/repub makes absolutely no difference

if things continue to go in the same way and it all amounts to less individual freedom, who the fuck cares to blame it on one president or another? It's all happening incrementally...I'd say that Bush did more to erradicate civil freedoms and obama is doing more to erase financial freedoms.
 

CrackerJax

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He thinks politics drives the market.... no...it's what HINDERS the market....today...more than ever!!!

We would be far along in a recovery NOW if Obama was NOT President.
 

BadDog40

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The stock market did not go up because of Obama..... a bottom is a bottom.

What do you think, the market corrects itself on its own? Funny it didnt correct at all the 8 years during Bush. The market goes up when people buy stock, people buy stock when they start feeling more confident in the economy. Obviously people didnt feel to confident under Bush or his daddy for that matter. They sure did under Clinton and now Obama. Face it, everything you believe is the exact opposite of reality.
 

jeff f

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Ignore polls, watch the markets: Economy is perking up


"If Obama was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the President," says one economic strategist.


By Mike Dorning

It’s never easy to separate politics from policy, and the past 18 months have only increased the degree of difficulty. The U.S. has been through a historic financial crisis followed by a historic election and a series of historic federal gambles — from bailing out AIG and GM to passing a $787 billion stimulus and a $940 billion health-care reform bill. All that risk has made policy more complicated and politics more fraught (“You lie,” “Baby killer”).

A Bloomberg national poll in March found that Americans, by an almost 2-to-1 margin, believe the economy has gotten worse rather than better during the past year. The Market begs to differ. While President Obama’s overall job approval rating has fallen to a new low of 44 percent, according to a CBS News Poll, down five points from late March, the judgment of the financial indexes has turned resoundingly positive. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index is up more than 74 percent from its recessionary low in March 2009. Corporate bonds have been rallying for a year. Commodity prices have surged. International currency markets have been bullish on the dollar for months, raising it by almost 10 percent since Nov. 25 against a basket of six major currencies. Housing prices have stabilized. Mortgage rates are low. “We’ve had a phenomenal run in asset classes across the board,” says Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for Miller Tabak + Co., an institutional trading firm in New York. “If Obama was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the President.”

Little more than a year ago, financial markets were in turmoil, major auto companies were on the verge of collapse and economists such as Paul Krugman were worried about the U.S. slumbering through a Japan-like Lost Decade. While no one would claim that all the pain is past or the danger gone, the economy is growing again, jumping to a 5.6 percent annualized growth rate in the fourth quarter of 2009 as businesses finally restocked their inventories. The consensus view now calls for 3 percent growth this year, significantly higher than the 2.1 percent estimate for 2010 that economists surveyed by Bloomberg News saw coming when Obama first moved into the Oval Office.

The U.S. manufacturing sector has expanded for eight straight months, the Business Roundtable’s measure of CEO optimism reached its highest level since early 2006, and in March the economy added 162,000 jobs — more than it had during any month in the past three years. “There is more business confidence out there,” says Boeing CEO Jim McNerney. “This Administration deserves significant credit.”

It is worth stepping back to consider, in cool-headed policy terms, how all of this came to be — and whether the Obama team’s approach amounts to a set of successful emergency measures or a new economic philosophy: Obamanomics.

For most of the past two decades, the reigning economic approach in Democratic circles has been Rubinomics, a set of priorities fashioned in the 1990s by Bill Clinton’s Treasury Secretary, Robert E. Rubin, the former co-chairman of Goldman Sachs. Broadly, Rubinomics was a three-legged stool consisting of restrained government spending, lower budget deficits, and open trade, which were meant in combination to reassure financial markets, keep capital flowing, and thus put the country on a path to prosperity.

On the surface, Obamanomics couldn’t be more different. The Administration racked up record deficits as it pursued a $787 billion fiscal stimulus on top of the $700 billion bailout fund for banks and carmakers. Obama has done close to nothing to expand free trade. And while Clinton pleased the markets with a moderate, probusiness image, Obama has riled Wall Street with occasional bursts of populist rhetoric, such as his slamming of “fat cat bankers” on 60 Minutes last December.

The rallying markets haven’t been bothered by these differences, largely because of their context. Martin Baily, who was a chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers during the Clinton Administration, says he suspects Rubin and the rest of the Clinton economic team would have made similar decisions — on bailouts, fiscal stimulus, and deficit spending — had they faced a crisis of similar magnitude. “I think we would have gone the same way,” he says. The Obama team, he continues, navigated the financial crisis while never losing sight of the importance of private enterprise and private markets (a point Obama stressed in his Feb. 9 interview with Bloomberg BusinessWeek). “A lot of people on the left were urging them to nationalize banks. Instead they injected capital, and now they’re pulling capital out. That looks more like Rubinomics than a set of socialist or left-wing economic policies.” The Obama economic team looks a lot like Rubin’s, too; three of its most prominent members — Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, National Economic Council Chairman Larry Summers, and White House budget director Peter Orszag — are Rubin protégés.

While the Administration’s call for a consumer financial protection agency has aroused opposition from banks, Obama’s regulatory reform plan largely leaves the financial industry’s structure intact and ignores proposals to break up large financial institutions, unlike the reforms pursued after the Crash of 1929. Amid an uproar over bonuses at government-assisted banks, Obama for the most part chose to respect private employment contracts.
In short, Obama’s instincts during the crisis were exceedingly Rubin-esque. Even the $787 billion stimulus package, while large by historical standards, didn’t reach the scale called for by many liberal economists, including the chairman of his own Council of Economic Advisers, Christina Romer, who initially advocated spending more than $1 trillion. Today, Romer doesn’t shy away from comparisons to the last Democratic Administration, but she also makes no grand claims about a new economic philosophy. What unites Rubinomics and Obamanomics, she says, “is the focus on results, the pragmatism of what’s right for the economy. We each took the policy that was appropriate at the time.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/09/obamanomics-working-watch-the-markets-as-they-perk-up/
one question...what fucking planet is this guy talking about.

unemployment at 10 even AFTER the census workers hired

gietner the tax cheat who also runs the treasury just said this week that we will probably see increases and high unemployment for the next several YEARS

the gdp pretty much has mirrored govt spending.....ie borrowed money

forclosures are still at record levels

payrolls are continuing to shed jobs...except govt jobs

we just hired 16000 money cops who are going to dip into everyones pocket with the threat of prison terms for non-compliance

several states are on the verge of bankruptcy...cali, ri, pa, and others.

and about 7 percent of the unemployment numbers are gone because people have given up looking for work

we are gonna "study" about "possibly" drilling for energy because after all we KNOW we dont need it....why with energy being so cheap now....

yes, this economy is awesome.....fucktards
 

Rob Roy

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I agree with this. But you can't deny the premise of the article that were the tables reversed, Republicans would be praising the President.
I'm not an apologist for either party. There is plenty of blame to go around.
 

NoDrama

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Well since the BIG banks basically manipulate the market, and since they can control prices with manipulation it only stands to show that the market increase hasn't done much for the average Joe. The market is 90% institutional investments, like hedge funds, sovereign wealth funds, mutual funds etc etc. The bailout money that went to banks was just like giving thousands to a gambling addict, they are the ones who have made the market go up. And they are the ones who are profiting the most. Your average Joe doesn't have two red pennies to invest. Oh lets not forget that prices of most goods we need have increased by 10% since '08. Inflation is a hidden tax. Unemployment just keeps getting worse and worse and yet everyone believes the lying politicians that promise everything under the sun as long as you vote for them.

The state I live in has low unemployment, no big debt, many resources and yet I have had have cut my hours by 15% and one of the largest manufacturers in the state shut down. This all happened in the last 60 days. Things are not getting better and people are waking up to that fact. The only thing Government can do is try to reassure everyone that it will all be ok, just as long as you let them run your life and steal all of your wealth. Because we all know how good the government is at running things.

ALL government paid economists ( 70% of all economists) will only paint you a rosy picture of the future, that is what they are paid to do. The government does not want people to panic and start revolting. They will let us eat cake first.
 

BadDog40

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I have yet to see Fly make a single intelligent post in this forum. Based on his propensity for snide remarks, I'm betting he is a teenage punk screwing with people on line.

Aside from maybe having a few stocks purchased for him by his parents, he clearly knows nothing about the stock market or about finance.
Funny.....thats all I ever see come from you. Pot meet kettle.
 

jeff f

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. They will let us eat cake first.
my guess is 90% of the folks have no idea of that reference. yet it is so appropriate to this crowd in office now. and i am talking congress too.

they have no idea of what it takes the average joe to feed a family and how their policies affect us.
 

CrackerJax

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thats funny, no offense to the other guys but thats a funny one right there:hug:
I agree....funny is funny. :lol:

But that's all he ever has.... insults...no actual way of defending any of his issues....he resorts to barbs and jokes.

It's a sign of desperation.
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

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I agree....funny is funny. :lol:

But that's all he ever has.... insults...no actual way of defending any of his issues....he resorts to barbs and jokes.

It's a sign of desperation.
Hey Schleprock, who started the insults first? Just like everything else your perception of reality exists only in the grey matter below your spine.
 

CrackerJax

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I just post the truth.... very few insults...except to repeat offenders... who are a bit thick. Like you?

If you want to escape my logic....prepare urself before you post nonsense.
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

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I just post the truth.... very few insults...except to repeat offenders... who are a bit thick. Like you?

If you want to escape my logic....prepare urself before you post nonsense.

The only thing people attempt to escape from when it comes to you is your hircismus, logic has evaded your thought patterns I'm assuming your whole life.
 

CrackerJax

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You are simply unable to discuss the actual issues with any sort of informed opinion. You listen to the spin...and then get frustrated when it all falls apart.

I am just a filter of reasoning...and that is what defeats you. You defend policies which have patterns of complete and utter failure.

I'm sure it is frustrating.

Try getting the facts before you post. It's so much better.
 
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