Why the Obama economics plan is working - BusinessWeek.com

BadDog40

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Ignore polls, watch the markets: Economy is perking up


"If Obama was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the President," says one economic strategist.


By Mike Dorning

It’s never easy to separate politics from policy, and the past 18 months have only increased the degree of difficulty. The U.S. has been through a historic financial crisis followed by a historic election and a series of historic federal gambles — from bailing out AIG and GM to passing a $787 billion stimulus and a $940 billion health-care reform bill. All that risk has made policy more complicated and politics more fraught (“You lie,” “Baby killer”).

A Bloomberg national poll in March found that Americans, by an almost 2-to-1 margin, believe the economy has gotten worse rather than better during the past year. The Market begs to differ. While President Obama’s overall job approval rating has fallen to a new low of 44 percent, according to a CBS News Poll, down five points from late March, the judgment of the financial indexes has turned resoundingly positive. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index is up more than 74 percent from its recessionary low in March 2009. Corporate bonds have been rallying for a year. Commodity prices have surged. International currency markets have been bullish on the dollar for months, raising it by almost 10 percent since Nov. 25 against a basket of six major currencies. Housing prices have stabilized. Mortgage rates are low. “We’ve had a phenomenal run in asset classes across the board,” says Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for Miller Tabak + Co., an institutional trading firm in New York. “If Obama was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the President.”

Little more than a year ago, financial markets were in turmoil, major auto companies were on the verge of collapse and economists such as Paul Krugman were worried about the U.S. slumbering through a Japan-like Lost Decade. While no one would claim that all the pain is past or the danger gone, the economy is growing again, jumping to a 5.6 percent annualized growth rate in the fourth quarter of 2009 as businesses finally restocked their inventories. The consensus view now calls for 3 percent growth this year, significantly higher than the 2.1 percent estimate for 2010 that economists surveyed by Bloomberg News saw coming when Obama first moved into the Oval Office.

The U.S. manufacturing sector has expanded for eight straight months, the Business Roundtable’s measure of CEO optimism reached its highest level since early 2006, and in March the economy added 162,000 jobs — more than it had during any month in the past three years. “There is more business confidence out there,” says Boeing CEO Jim McNerney. “This Administration deserves significant credit.”

It is worth stepping back to consider, in cool-headed policy terms, how all of this came to be — and whether the Obama team’s approach amounts to a set of successful emergency measures or a new economic philosophy: Obamanomics.

For most of the past two decades, the reigning economic approach in Democratic circles has been Rubinomics, a set of priorities fashioned in the 1990s by Bill Clinton’s Treasury Secretary, Robert E. Rubin, the former co-chairman of Goldman Sachs. Broadly, Rubinomics was a three-legged stool consisting of restrained government spending, lower budget deficits, and open trade, which were meant in combination to reassure financial markets, keep capital flowing, and thus put the country on a path to prosperity.

On the surface, Obamanomics couldn’t be more different. The Administration racked up record deficits as it pursued a $787 billion fiscal stimulus on top of the $700 billion bailout fund for banks and carmakers. Obama has done close to nothing to expand free trade. And while Clinton pleased the markets with a moderate, probusiness image, Obama has riled Wall Street with occasional bursts of populist rhetoric, such as his slamming of “fat cat bankers” on 60 Minutes last December.

The rallying markets haven’t been bothered by these differences, largely because of their context. Martin Baily, who was a chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers during the Clinton Administration, says he suspects Rubin and the rest of the Clinton economic team would have made similar decisions — on bailouts, fiscal stimulus, and deficit spending — had they faced a crisis of similar magnitude. “I think we would have gone the same way,” he says. The Obama team, he continues, navigated the financial crisis while never losing sight of the importance of private enterprise and private markets (a point Obama stressed in his Feb. 9 interview with Bloomberg BusinessWeek). “A lot of people on the left were urging them to nationalize banks. Instead they injected capital, and now they’re pulling capital out. That looks more like Rubinomics than a set of socialist or left-wing economic policies.” The Obama economic team looks a lot like Rubin’s, too; three of its most prominent members — Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, National Economic Council Chairman Larry Summers, and White House budget director Peter Orszag — are Rubin protégés.

While the Administration’s call for a consumer financial protection agency has aroused opposition from banks, Obama’s regulatory reform plan largely leaves the financial industry’s structure intact and ignores proposals to break up large financial institutions, unlike the reforms pursued after the Crash of 1929. Amid an uproar over bonuses at government-assisted banks, Obama for the most part chose to respect private employment contracts.
In short, Obama’s instincts during the crisis were exceedingly Rubin-esque. Even the $787 billion stimulus package, while large by historical standards, didn’t reach the scale called for by many liberal economists, including the chairman of his own Council of Economic Advisers, Christina Romer, who initially advocated spending more than $1 trillion. Today, Romer doesn’t shy away from comparisons to the last Democratic Administration, but she also makes no grand claims about a new economic philosophy. What unites Rubinomics and Obamanomics, she says, “is the focus on results, the pragmatism of what’s right for the economy. We each took the policy that was appropriate at the time.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/09/obamanomics-working-watch-the-markets-as-they-perk-up/
 

max420thc

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uh..uh....uh hmmmm. this guy is perhaps the best financial guru on the world and is almost NEVER WRONG.look what he is saying.
4.04.2010

Money Printing And Debt Defaults


"In the developed world we have huge debt to GDP, in terms of government debt to GDP and unfunded liabilities that will come due, and these unfunded liabilities are so huge that eventually these governments will all have to print money before they default."

Marc Faber is an international investor known for his uncanny predictions of the stock market and futures markets around the world. Dr. Doom also trades currencies and commodity futures like Gold and Oil.






4.01.2010

Default Through Money Printing: The US Scenario


"When a government openly defaults on its debt, the workout process is reasonably equitable, with generally receiving 30 to 80 cents back on the dollar. But if a government decides to default through money printing, the burden of the default isn't shared equally. Holders of that nation’s currency get hit worst, and that’s what will happen to dollar holders"

in Money News

Marc Faber is an international investor known for his uncanny predictions of the stock market and futures markets around the world. Dr. Doom also trades currencies and commodity futures like Gold and Oil.






3.30.2010


here is another guy..jim rogers. multi billionaire investor..how much money is that magazing guy worth again?
this is his prediction for the US.
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Rob Roy

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Believing that the same organization that made the problems will also fix the problems is something I find hard to do.
Our economic problems predate Obama and Bush, they've simply been torch carriers for the Federal Reserve system like their predecessors. Papering over problems has been the standard mode. Puff, puff, pass can only work so long, eventually you run out of weed. I'd say we're smoking the roach stash right about now.

Would you rather have U.S. dollars or hard assets now? Currency inflation is not a long term fix, it devalues the dollar and robs savings....not that any Americans have any savings accounts anymore. Run from the dollar...fast.
 

Man o' the green

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Economists are not much better than fortune tellers, but debt doesn't lie.

How about I sum it up : "we are in the eye of the storm"

Would you rather have U.S. dollars or hard assets now? Currency inflation is not a long term fix, it devalues the dollar and robs savings....not that any Americans have any savings accounts anymore. Run from the dollar...fast.
Hope you all have some gold sitting around.
 

Lil Czr

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Gold is OK, but you can't eat it.

Canned food and ammunition will the gold standard when times get really bad.
 

Dragline

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Believing that the same organization that made the problems will also fix the problems is something I find hard to do.
Our economic problems predate Obama and Bush, they've simply been torch carriers for the Federal Reserve system like their predecessors. .
I agree with this. But you can't deny the premise of the article that were the tables reversed, Republicans would be praising the President.
 

CrackerJax

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Yes....the marching orders have been given.... deflect deflect and obfuscate the issues.

Let's be quite clear..... the economies improvement (which is quite temporary) was done by the private sector DESPITE Obama & Congress. You can't choke a dinosaur quickly....it tends to take awhile. But the grip is upon us folks.....
 

redivider

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Yes....the marching orders have been given.... deflect deflect and obfuscate the issues.

Let's be quite clear..... the economies improvement (which is quite temporary) was done by the private sector DESPITE Obama & Congress. You can't choke a dinosaur quickly....it tends to take awhile. But the grip is upon us folks.....

no wait a minute.

the economic recovery happening 'in spite' of obama is pure bullshit

obama has not acted like the crazy liberal you claimed him to be. he made the right choices and the economy is reacting to it. it's getting better.

and all this talk about hyper-inflation is pure bullshit. the fed lowered interest rates, money flowed into the economy, they'll raise them when they see fit, and money will slowly come out of the economy. I CALLED THIS OUT, AND YOU CJ WERE SAYING I WAS DELUSIONAL.

WHO'S DELUSIONAL NOW?

the economy is recovering, the recession is giving up,

i told you guys this a few months ago.

my quote: i can't wait for obama to come into office and kick that recession in the ass.

A VERY BIG AND PROUD:

I TOLD YOU SO.
 

undertheice

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I agree with this. But you can't deny the premise of the article that were the tables reversed, Republicans would be praising the President.
of course, just as democrats are praising him now. blind partisanship does not change the fact that, even should these policies prop up an ailing economy for a time, they will set another dangerous precedent for future government meddling in the private sector and damage the already fragile right of the individual to succeed or fail on his own.
 

londonfog

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With some no matter what they will always speak negative about Obama, which should only show you what they are about.
 

nubiebud

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Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Simple, sad but something I believe will be the 100% truth.

I got my both 40's cleaned and loaded and the cupboard is stocked.


Gold is OK, but you can't eat it.

Canned food and ammunition will the gold standard when times get really bad.
 

RickWhite

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Ignore polls, watch the markets: Economy is perking up


"If Obama was a Republican, we would hear a never-ending drumbeat of news stories about markets voting in favor of the President," says one economic strategist.


By Mike Dorning

It’s never easy to separate politics from policy, and the past 18 months have only increased the degree of difficulty. The U.S. has been through a historic financial crisis followed by a historic election and a series of historic federal gambles — from bailing out AIG and GM to passing a $787 billion stimulus and a $940 billion health-care reform bill. All that risk has made policy more complicated and politics more fraught (“You lie,” “Baby killer”).

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/09/obamanomics-working-watch-the-markets-as-they-perk-up/
Full stop.

What the Senator actually said was that the bill is a baby killer. Why should we believe anything this man says when he begins his article with a lie and a character assassination of everyone opposing Obama's policies? Then, he goes on to quote Paul Krugman, a radical Left economist.

The author goes on to present everything in a misleading manner. "Housing prices have stabilized" - you mean they hit rock fucking, ocean floor bottom! Is that what he means by "stabilized"?

And it's always a hoot when people use percentage of change as an indication of growth. Percentages don't mean anything because they are inversely proportional to their base number. For those of you with no math background. If you have 10 apples and I give you 5 more, your apples have grown by 50%. If you have 100 apples and I give you 10, your apples have grown by 10%. Would you rather have the 50% increase or the 10% increase.

See, it's weasels like this guy who poison people's minds. Obama is destroying our country's economy as well as our standing in the world. Years from now, he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents in history. Unless, our textbooks are written in Chinese which is entirely possible if Obama has his way.
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

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Full stop.

What the Senator actually said was that the bill is a baby killer. Why should we believe anything this man says when he begins his article with a lie and a character assassination of everyone opposing Obama's policies? Then, he goes on to quote Paul Krugman, a radical Left economist.

The author goes on to present everything in a misleading manner. "Housing prices have stabilized" - you mean they hit rock fucking, ocean floor bottom! Is that what he means by "stabilized"?

And it's always a hoot when people use percentage of change as an indication of growth. Percentages don't mean anything because they are inversely proportional to their base number. For those of you with no math background. If you have 10 apples and I give you 5 more, your apples have grown by 50%. If you have 100 apples and I give you 10, your apples have grown by 10%. Would you rather have the 50% increase or the 10% increase.

See, it's weasels like this guy who poison people's minds. Obama is destroying our country's economy as well as our standing in the world. Years from now, he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents in history. Unless, our textbooks are written in Chinese which is entirely possible if Obama has his way.

Nevermind that the DOW has went up 45% since Obama became President, but of course the DOW is nothing more than some left wing conspiracy.
 

CrackerJax

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The stock market did not go up because of Obama..... a bottom is a bottom.

10% unemployment....spends a TRILLION bucks. Grabs US Corp's, grabs 17% of the GDP and socializes it into massive debt. Killing free trade and pushing unions. Watches Iran build a bomb, and blocks Israel.

Yah...he's like a super genius....
 

ink the world

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The stock market did not go up because of Obama..... a bottom is a bottom.
.

And exactly who was in charge when we found out what that bottom was and whose 8 year term directly preceded this mess? Its saddening to see people be so partisan that they seem to root against recovery.
 
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