Why Legalization should be Stopped! (wait, hear me out!)

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fdd2blk

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Let's see, I grew 18 OZs in my closet, total cost, around 550.00. That was the first grow and included the grow light, 125.00 the seeds, 40.00, the exhust fan, 80.00, the water growing (Bubbler) system, Built my own with a container from wally world- 7.50, the baskets, 8.00, the water pump, 39.00 the medium, 15.00, the cooling fan, 22.00, bubble fittings and all that entails, 30.00 from a fish equipment store, chemicals 60.00, and about 100.00 worth of pure water. The second grow, 22 OZs plus, cost me the water and electricity, lets call it 200.00. Now once the equipment has been paid for, the cost per pound settles in to around 160.00-200.00, Bigger grows cost more on initial set up, but the electricity to LB ratio cannot pass the 100.00-200.00 mark, even in CA I actually barely noticed the difference in the electric bill as I have to run full on AC and the pool pump in the summer, about 250.00-300.00 a month. Had I sold the pot at the exhorbitant prices that you dudes do, I could have paid all the electric bills for the entire year and had money to play with. I gave most of it away to my appreciative friends and sold enough to recoup my expenditures, I did not rely on the sacred herb to pay my mortguage.
how much is rent on the grow space?

pot is not my only income. :roll:
 

fdd2blk

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Harping & obstinacy as insults?

I see your pattern.

Once you are unable to defend your position, you simply look for a reason to stop debate altogether.

I am not alone in believing this either.
i have nothing to defend. i just posted links to alternatives measures being worked on. i have not backed out of anything. and i can do it without insults. did you even click them?

once again, i am voting how i am voting and your opinion will not change that.

you are insulting people with your comments. lets try to focus on the subject at hand and not my opinion of it.
 

medicineman

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if this initiative passes more people will want pot, which means the demand will be higher, which means prices will stay the same.

i honestly feel this.

now how can you say i base anything on money?

i don't think any part of the money side will change. therefore it does NOT influence my decision.

do you get it? or should i explain it again?

as i've said numerous times already.

you all aren't even getting it. you hear what you want to hear. :(
All I'm saying is this:
It's all about the money. Everything is about the money. Otherwise you would make enough to break even and give the rest away to your "Friends". I have shown you what it costs to bring a LB of pot to fruition. After initial investment, it does not cost more than a couple a hundred bucks to grow a LB. Show me otherwise, and BTW, you need electricity for other than pot. The other reaoning is all incidental, yeah it would be nice to be totally legal, but that is never going to happen as long as we have Capitalism, you know the selling of stuff (POT) for profit.
 

ChChoda

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You got food in your fridge? Why? Others are going hungry...

You got cash in your bank account? Why? Others can't pay their bills...

You got gas in your vehicle? Why? Some don't even have cars...

*Yawn*...are you really so "fair minded" and "compassionate"?
 

ChChoda

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Wow! It seems like we've reached the lowest common denominator stage of the politics forum. The thinkers have either fled or been neutralized. All that's left is accusations and defense against accusations, just like East Berlin...:-P
 

stonedmetalhead1

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Apparently if one does not reside in California, one does not have any business registering an opinion on this particular issue.

Well, like it or not, the effects of this referendum will reverberate across the nation.

Meaning if I have an opinion I do not intend to consult you before I express it.

What makes you think Duke is not working on re-legalization in Oregon?
I agree with you there. The last time i checked this is the UNITED States of America what happens in one state effects us all.

i have nothing to defend. i just posted links to alternatives measures being worked on. i have not backed out of anything. and i can do it without insults. did you even click them?

once again, i am voting how i am voting and your opinion will not change that.

you are insulting people with your comments. lets try to focus on the subject at hand and not my opinion of it.
Hey fdd2blk how do you feel about how this reads?

(vii) “licensed premises” is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.


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Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:


(l) such larger amounts as the local authority deems appropriate and proper under local circumstances, than those established under section 11300(a) for personal possession and cultivation, or under this section for commercial cultivation, processing, transportation and sale by persons authorized to do so under this section;

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medicineman

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i wish i made a 1/4 of the money people accuse me of making. :roll:
I know not what you make, but if you are selling your weed for 2000.00+ per LB, you are in it for the profit, case closed. The pot I grew, White widow, was so powerful, most could not finish a joint, or take more than a couple a hits on a bong. I sold it for 100.00 an OZ untill I made back my investment, then I gave it away. Needles to say, people were pleased with the price, even more so when it was free. I believe people making a living on growing pot could do well at 500.00 a lb, Heck, on outside grows, like an acre or more, even less. 2000.00+ is rediculous. Now of course that is just my opinion and I'm positive it won't be popular amongst growers. Here's an Idea, Grow your pot to achieve the best and trade with your friends, sort of a snobbish, "My pot's better that your's is" kind of deal. I hear that is what happens in NO.Ca.
 

fdd2blk

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i get 5 grand a pound off you all. buy me a boat bitch. :hump:

hahahahahhahaha

how's that? :cool:

and i'm voting NO to keep it that way.

i'm done.

bongsmilie
 

stupidclown

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i get 5 grand a pound off you all. buy me a boat bitch. :hump:

hahahahahhahaha

how's that? :cool:

and i'm voting NO to keep it that way.

i'm done.

bongsmilie
thats funny

no one seems to see that there is work in growing and where i come from you get paid for work.

if you don't like 3000 a pound don't pay it, people will pay what they think things are worth. people pay 45-65 an 1/8 because thats what its worth to them.

i drive a car i paid alot for it because that was what is was worth to me, if it wasn't i would take the bus. buyers set the price if you won't pay it they won't charge it.

this is how it works, you make some thing and you sell it. if you sell it for to much people don't buy and you go broke, sell for to little and you are working for free and go broke. sell somewhere in the middle and you prosper.

welcome to America people charge as much as they can get for the product, don't like it you are free to open shop and sell for less
 

Moldy

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How many of you have been busted before and are still voting NO to legalization? Just wondering...
 

stupidclown

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not that i don't want it legal, i would love that. i just don't like this bill. there are others in the works that are so much better for us the user/grower/consentrate maker this is more for the clubs than us and our freedom
 

Polecat

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Can't blame you for charging that much. I wouldn't and don't. I don't make my living from growing dope and never plan to.
If I did I might feel different. I already have a boat. Brought my first one mowing lawns. My third one I bought from selling weed.
The one i have now I paid cash for. Sorry you can only make money from the black market. I don't think your vote is going to change
the outcome much.

Good luck with your gardens. All of you.
 

dukeofbaja

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My favorite argument of this entire thread was made by stupidclown, who argued that voting down this initiative will be a step forward for the legalization cause. Almost as classic as threatening to shut down debate entirely for perceived insults...


do you think if this goes though the push to legalize will die out a bit?

thats my real fear. this gives the sheeple just enough to shut them up for a while so no real change will happen for years.

i think we need real deal or nothing more than we have now. if its kept kind of illegal there will be more push to get it done
You heard it here first folks....in order to get weed legalized, we need to vote down the legalization initiatives.

This kind of reasoning tells me that you are so conflicted by your decision that you need to get rid of the cognitive dissonance any way you can, even if it means actually believing in this line of reasoning.
 

Katatawnic

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RE: the belief that a 25 sq. ft. grow space can't yield 1/8 oz. daily (3.75 oz. monthly)...

My flowering tent is 8 sq. ft. (2'x4'), and with the 10.5"x21" drain trays I've currently got I can fit 12 plants (1 gal. pots) in there. When I get a 2'x4' tray in the next couple of months, I'll be able to fit 21 in there easily; but for now we'll go with 12 plants flowering in a 2'x4' space. (My veg space is also approx. 8 sq. ft., which has me at 16 sq. ft. total grow space.) My plants range from 22" to 27" (depending on strain), so they're not taking up much vertical space either; this goes to show that these are pretty small plants. My lighting is currently florescent: CFL for veg, T5 for bloom. This is far from a "state of the art" grow space. ;)

To rotate through all 12 plants in a 30 day month, I harvest every 2 to 3 days. I'm averaging 1/2 oz. per plant, which yields me 6 oz. a month.

I smoke a couple/few times a day, take capsules every four hours, cook with oil daily, and make lotion for topical pain treatment that I use round the clock... and my 16 sq. ft. grow space keeps me supplied with more pot than I need for all these uses combined.

I'm also still a pretty inexperienced cannabis grower. My first harvest was in November, only six months ago. If I can easily grow a minimum of 6 oz. monthly in such a small space with such little experience, not to mention without very powerful lighting, then so can anyone else.

The biggest problem even a really lousy grower would have is keeping under the 1 oz. limit with a 25 sq. ft. grow space. :lol: But for even what many would consider "extensive" personal use, 25 sq. ft. is quite sufficient. Perhaps not desired, but still enough.


OK, carry on with the rest of the argument... I just had to chime in on that portion. :mrgreen:
 

fdd2blk

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My favorite argument of this entire thread was made by stupidclown, who argued that voting down this initiative will be a step forward for the legalization cause. Almost as classic as threatening to shut down debate entirely for perceived insults...




You heard it here first folks....in order to get weed legalized, we need to vote down the legalization initiatives.

This kind of reasoning tells me that you are so conflicted by your decision that you need to get rid of the cognitive dissonance any way you can, even if it means actually believing in this line of reasoning.
nobody threatened to shut anything down but you. and you're really close. :) :fire:
 

CMart39

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everyday thousands of non-violent peace loving people. ( some deathly ill) are wrongly prosecuted and sent to jail. not to mention the tax payers have to pay for it. Over half of the prisoners in the U.S.A. are non-violent drug offenders, and rapists, murderers, and child molesters are getting off easy and probably live right down your street. the prohibition of marijuana is a total and complete disgrace to what we stand for (or supposed to stand for) as Americans. so yes i've heard you out and think you need a reality check my friend. once you are wrongly sent to jail you will change your mind. rethink what you say before you say it next time and i'm sure everyone in there right mind will agree with me here. - -rep
 

ImTheFireMan

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everyday thousands of non-violent peace loving people. ( some deathly ill) are wrongly prosecuted and sent to jail. not to mention the tax payers have to pay for it. Over half of the prisoners in the U.S.A. are non-violent drug offenders, and rapists, murderers, and child molesters are getting off easy and probably live right down your street. the prohibition of marijuana is a total and complete disgrace to what we stand for (or supposed to stand for) as Americans. so yes i've heard you out and think you need a reality check my friend. once you are wrongly sent to jail you will change your mind. rethink what you say before you say it next time and i'm sure everyone in there right mind will agree with me here. - -rep

so what about the mother fuckers that are already in jail wrongfully because of weed?
if you pass this, its not going to help them at all.
 
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