Why Legalization should be Stopped! (wait, hear me out!)

ImTheFireMan said:

so what about the mother fuckers that are already in jail wrongfully because of weed?
if you pass this, its not going to help them at all.

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What you say IS true, but I would argue that passage of this initiative will be a better step in the right direction for their cause than defeat would be.

dukeofbaja said:

What you say IS true, but I would argue that passage of this initiative will be a better step in the right direction for their cause than defeat would be.

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i think even if it doesnt pass there will be an opportunity to bring a much better bill to the table in the future.

ImTheFireMan said:

i think even if it doesn't pass there will be an opportunity to bring a much better bill to the table in the future.

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someone must be first and, as the first, expecting all our dreams to come true is unrealistic. any form of legalization in california can only aid the cause of legalization across the country. this bill is designed to bring those millions that are on the fence in this issue onto the side of legalization. a defeat will serve to strengthen the opposition and lend credence to their claim that the majority is in favor of this absurd prohibition. the bill is flawed, but believing that we can have it all may very well leave us with nothing for quite some time to come. how many more will end up in jail between now and the next time around?

I'm not even going to attempt arguing at why it should be legalized, as anyone with an micro-gram of humanity in them should agree that it should be legalized.

Anyone else, is in it for profit, is just greedy, or has no idea about the world around them and are very self-centered.

fdd2blk said:

nobody threatened to shut anything down but you. and you're really close.

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now now, that wouldn't be fair would it...lol...I HAVE THE POWER RRRAAAWWWRRRRR.

ThinkSayMakeDo said:

I like this argument, though it affects me very little. I'm just surprised by a couple things that people seem to lack in their stances. First, Marijuana is not used like corn, tomatoes, or any other food, you can't complete any portion of your daily nutrition with marijuana. Hell, it's not even close enough to tobacco, remember how it...gets you high? It's not like smoking a tobacco cigarette, although I admit if you smoke them infrequently you get buzzed, but especially for those who smoke tobacco frequently. Even if you smoke marijuana frequently, you still get high. And being special in chemical makeups, potencies, and distributions makes it's $ per lb. special in a similar sense. By no means should an ounce of something that does this for you be $25. How much do you pay for a really good micro-brew compared to a Budweiser? Point I'm trying to make is, it gives you a special feeling (high) no other plant (dried and cured) gives you and it's NOT food and shouldn't ever be compared to food, so the price of it should obviously be looked at differently than other things we consume.
Another thing that rather offends me, is that people on a marijuana growing forum are looking down upon people who are growing marijuana and trying to make a living off of it. It's science, time, learning, trial and error, blood, sweat, patience, etc. the same as growing any other plant and seeking payment for your efforts would be. Why should you have to go to school to become a botanist when you can learn from the plant itself, what better teacher? Is your local university's botanist a large herbaceous plant that puts you through many tribulations, shows you it's every bit of growth, has you form your mind around it, and learn it's secrets? No, they just give things names and make you pay a shit ton of money for a document stored in a database. Plus, what do you want to do with your legitimate botany career? The ETHICAL thing and become a research scientist for those super ETHICAL corn agribusinesses? No thanks. I apologize for my jumpy and scattered thoughts. Just had me some nice kushes.

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Are you kidding about marijuana not being a viable food source; you need to quit smoking so much and do some learning, start here http://www.ratical.org/renewables/hempseed1.html it'll tell you what so many allready know about the nutrition this plant has to offer thru it's seeds. Now you tie that in with all the other benefits and new markets that would be opened to a truly resourceful individual and you would see all kinds of absolute possibillities at hand, its a no loose situation. You talk about a suposed loss of income but after growing for well over 25 years many of those in the mountains of cali I myself and many in my comunity are still making what we did when there was no legal loophole so my thought is you're not growing good enough stuff for anyone to want to pay more than what you are getting but hey learn to be a stellar breeeder I'm sure you could make more off of a a few hundred 10 packs of seeds than you ever would off of the bud from the plant if you were good enough.
I've also heard of of some of the talking heads for the industry that don't support the bill but these are politicians and advocates who make their livings off of our donations for representaion and support in the political arena of course they don't really want things legalized thats truly how they have spent their lives making the money they do.

Now lets look at all the waste that is discarded and of what benefit that could be to the grower who now would have an outlet to sell their waste and be helping the environment and the pocket book. I've been in this battle since the beginning and I am not about to let it be cast aside by ignorance of whats really capable; if we can just get in the door. If you don't understand what I'm saying then start learning because ignorance about the truth is what has kept us in the dark for so long. Pick up a copy of the emporer wears no clothers and really read it Jack spent a good part of his life compiling that info and you can give no better homage than to understand what that mans history and message was for the rest of us R.I.P. my friend and for the rest of you vote yes don't get caught up in the politics of it because those people behind the politics are making more money than of us could imagine off of our emotional responces and one sided thoughts. Oh and Oaksterdam is a sham that really wants nothing but to control it all, wich is nothing that we want as a people so get smart learn from a friend or family member go to a real college for a real degree and specialize in the field you feel you can do the best in. Ignorance is not bliss and this issue has so many facets you truly could spend a lifetime trying to learn it all or you can take some of that rebell ingenuity that got most of here today to better yourselves find an open door and run through it the business oportunities are abundant any one ever see how much consultant makes, or a master gardener, how about a biofuel producer, the fabric industry, the cosmetic industry pick a direction run with but by all means don't put it down as bad because I don't see the bad in a truly good thing, remember all herb bearing seed was given to us and we are the keeper of the germ.
Peace out,
BT

SocataSmoker said:

I'm not even going to attempt arguing at why it should be legalized, as anyone with an micro-gram of humanity in them should agree that it should be legalized.

Anyone else, is in it for profit, is just greedy, or has no idea about the world around them and are very self-centered.

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agree fully. i cannot believe that there are people out there, who're that selfish towards the rest of the population being screwed over, purely because you're making some money out of it.

you are making money at the cost of innocent people being locked away in jail. justify that in any humane moral kind of way

Originally Posted by SocataSmoker
I'm not even going to attempt arguing at why it should be legalized, as anyone with an micro-gram of humanity in them should agree that it should be legalized.

Anyone else, is in it for profit, is just greedy, or has no idea about the world around them and are very self-centered.
agree fully. i cannot believe that there are people out there, who're that selfish towards the rest of the population being screwed over, purely because you're making some money out of it.

"you are making money at the cost of innocent people being locked away in jail. justify that in any humane moral kind of way"


AAAAAAAAMENNN....

dukeofbaja said:

What you say IS true, but I would argue that passage of this initiative will be a better step in the right direction for their cause than defeat would be.

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Here's the way I see that playing out....

After re-legalization becomes a reality, the Governator will be flooded with applications for pardons and clemency from non-violent offenders; most of which he will grant citing budget concerns.

Hell, he might even do the same thing Jimmy Carter did for the Viet Nam War-era draft dodgers: A Blanket Pardon.

husalife said:

now now, that wouldn't be fair would it...lol...I HAVE THE POWER RRRAAAWWWRRRRR.

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yes, i do have power. it comes with being a mod. when threads turn into personal battles they get closed. just because i happen to be involved means nothing. i close threads i don't post in as well. if people can't stay focused on the subject at hand, and want nothing more than to stir drama, i shut it down.

just like this.