Why do I have seeds?!?!?!?!

dr.sexy.fox

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Long story short, I took a feminized seed and grew it COMPLETELY isolated from anything else.

Now when I pick apart a bud, we have seeds.

Any idea what I did wrong?
 

BlueFish

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Pollen can travel miles from the source. There's probably another grower near you who didn't pull their males or let one go hermie and let it release its pollen.
 

Jack in the Bud

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Long story short, I took a feminized seed and grew it COMPLETELY isolated from anything else.

Now when I pick apart a bud, we have seeds.

Any idea what I did wrong?
Sounds to me like your plant went hermie earlier in the flowering stage and pollinated it's self. Are they full on mature seeds or just partially formed ones?

Jack
 

dr.sexy.fox

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Sounds to me like your plant went hermie earlier in the flowering stage and pollinated it's self. Are they full on mature seeds or just partially formed ones?

Jack
The most mature ones have tiger stripes, but are still a little green on the ends.

I had to harvest early out of necessity too. Do you think the seeds would germinate?
 

Jack in the Bud

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The most mature ones have tiger stripes, but are still a little green on the ends.

I had to harvest early out of necessity too. Do you think the seeds would germinate?

dr.sexy,

From what you've said so far it sure sounds to me like your plant went hermie mid way thru flowering, produced some male flowers and self pollinated it's self. If you grew this plant inside I seriously doubt if any one else's grow "fucked you over".

You could test one of those "tiger striped" seeds to see if it will germinate (I'm guessing it probably will) but personally I'd throw them all a way. Because odds are they carry that recessive gene that causes that mid-flowering stage form of hermaphroditism (as opposed to that late stage banana formation) that's caused you to have all those seeds.

Jack

PS: I'm not surprised in the least that this plant came from a so called "feminized" seed.
 

Pipe Dream

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yeah thats how they get feminized seed is from a forced hermie, the offspring are going to more prone to be a hermaphrodite. I don't see why people are so big on female seeds. If you grow regular seeds you should get 1/2 females or more seeing as less males are really needed than females.
 

manlookingj

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One of your buds may have herms a little bit.
Either long flowering times will stress a plant and make it want to produce a male flower or two to self pollenate. And from what I've read feminized seeds sometimes are produced from a herming female. Herming female do have a high ratio of other herms, but the also give a dramatic increace in female seeds too, so...
Make sure you keep and use the seeds though, they certainly are not worthless.
 

T.H.Cammo

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If you just got a "few", oddball, seeds - Some "exterior" pollen probably just found it's way in.

If you got a "fair amount" of seeds, it probably turned Hermie. Were you watching for "Balls" while it was in flower?
 

jestermite

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jack im cathcing up on your posts -

i bought 15 feminized seeds and am into my second grow with them. 5 white widow, 5 kush, and 5 AK-48. Last harvest the ww and ak plants produced some seeds i didn't notice until i cut them down. i was totally shocked but kinda forgot about it as the plants were nice and full. this time around grown from clones until harvest today there are no seeds in any, but foxtails (bananas) showed in the kush. i don't know if i'd know how to spot a hermie - ima go read up - do I need to take action in the next grow to stop what's going on? will cloning these plants lead to worse? will this problem persist? i may well have run past the normal flowering time in these two grows but unbelievably i didnt keep good records.
 

burninjay

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Bananas are bananas. They look like bananas, they are yellow, they are male sex organs.

Foxtails are something you'll come across in mid to late flower on sativas sometimes. they are like dreadlocks made of bud sticking up out of your colas. They are funny, but they are all female. Sometimes if you let them go long enough they fill out into buds themselves.
 

Jack in the Bud

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Bananas are bananas. They look like bananas, they are yellow, they are male sex organs.

Foxtails are something you'll come across in mid to late flower on sativas sometimes. they are like dreadlocks made of bud sticking up out of your colas. They are funny, but they are all female. Sometimes if you let them go long enough they fill out into buds themselves.
morn'n burn,

I'm about 48 days into flowering some Allegria (80% indica, 20% sativa) and I've got one plant showing some "foxtails". This will be my 4th crop of this strain and and almost every plant has produced those "bananas" right at the very end. But I have not had a single one of these plants do the early stage hermie thing on me.

I got the original 15 seeds (non-feminized) from the Dampkring grow store across from the train station in Amsterdam (cost 65 Euros) I selectively pollinated some of the lower branches of the first crop to get some seed stock.

The seeds I used for this run were around 1.5 years old and I had a 95% germination rate. Of those that germinated 65% turned out female.

Jack
 

Jack in the Bud

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jack im cathcing up on your posts -

i bought 15 feminized seeds and am into my second grow with them. 5 white widow, 5 kush, and 5 AK-48. Last harvest the ww and ak plants produced some seeds i didn't notice until i cut them down. i was totally shocked but kinda forgot about it as the plants were nice and full. this time around grown from clones until harvest today there are no seeds in any, but foxtails (bananas) showed in the kush. i don't know if i'd know how to spot a hermie - ima go read up - do I need to take action in the next grow to stop what's going on? will cloning these plants lead to worse? will this problem persist? i may well have run past the normal flowering time in these two grows but unbelievably i didnt keep good records.
jestermite,

I'm flattered that you're taking the time to catch up on my posts but I've got to tell you that I think you're time would be better spent catching up reading all the posts by posters such as "Uncle Ben", "fdd2blk" and "subcool". As far as I can tell they're among the top Master Gardeners posting to these forums.

I just poke regular seeds in to dirt. I don't have any experience with cloning or "feminized" seeds. All though I do have some experience with plants going hermie on me from back when I was just poking random bag seeds in to dirt.

Were those seeds you say your ww and ak plants produced last harvest full on mature seeds or just small white partially formed ones?

Jack
 

jestermite

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they looked mature and viable to me. any idea if planting them would be a good or bad idea? i harvested my remaining kush girls this afternoon and outside of the foxtails they seemed normal with no expressions of maleness i could see. they came out really nice and full and smell phenominal. i just cut them down, trimmed them, and put them in paper grocery bags to dry. i check and shake the buds about twice a day but it's pretty much hands free until they're ready to go into ziplocks where i'll kinda repeat. if anybody has a suggestion on how to improve what i'm doing i'd love to hear it. i saw a little bit about leaving them in the dark for 24+ hours before harvest?

these were grown in MG soil with MG bloom booster during flowering and also AN nutes. spray n grow throughout. solid flush 2 weeks prior to harvest. the bud looks nice and i hope that i will have remedied the chemically taste i got from the last when i dint flush as well. this weed is good, but it's not the CHRONIC. u know what i mean? anything come to mind to improve the process?
 

Jack in the Bud

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they looked mature and viable to me. any idea if planting them would be a good or bad idea? i harvested my remaining kush girls this afternoon and outside of the foxtails they seemed normal with no expressions of maleness i could see. they came out really nice and full and smell phenominal. i just cut them down, trimmed them, and put them in paper grocery bags to dry. i check and shake the buds about twice a day but it's pretty much hands free until they're ready to go into ziplocks where i'll kinda repeat. if anybody has a suggestion on how to improve what i'm doing i'd love to hear it. i saw a little bit about leaving them in the dark for 24+ hours before harvest?

these were grown in MG soil with MG bloom booster during flowering and also AN nutes. spray n grow throughout. solid flush 2 weeks prior to harvest. the bud looks nice and i hope that i will have remedied the chemically taste i got from the last when i dint flush as well. this weed is good, but it's not the CHRONIC. u know what i mean? anything come to mind to improve the process?
jester,

I really don't know what to tell you about why you got those seeds. If it would have been from one of the plants going early stage hermie I should think you'd have a lot of mature seeds and have them on all the plants in that grow. If it would have been from those late stage bananas that form in the colas they would have been partially formed, immature seeds. All though may be the bananas formed a little earlier than usual (or you went a little to long before harvest), released some pollen and the plant still had enough time left to form some mature seeds.

Where were the seeds located at on the plant? Up in the top colas or lower down on the plant? Can you post a picture of the seeds? About how many of them did you get?

As to whether or not you should try growing those seeds out.....well, you might have no problems and then you might run the risk of one of them going early stage hermie and getting more seeds (on every thing in that grow).

The fact that those plants originally came from "feminized" seeds would make me extremely leery that they carried that recessive gene that causes that early stage hermaphroditism.

I lay my trimmed buds out on cardboard pop/beer flats and turn them every day until dry. I wouldn't go shaking them around to hard in a paper bag for fear of knocking to many trichromes off them.

I'd skip the ziplock bags if I were you and use glass jars (with a good sealable lid). Besides the plasticisers and other chemical vapors they give off they hold an electrostatic charge that attracts and holds any broken off trichromes. I occasionally still put a bud or two in a plastic bag to take it some where but for the most part have gotten into the habit of keeping all mine in glass jars (in a dark place).

After you think your weed is dry and you put it in a jar you need to open that jar every day and check it by reaching in and feeling a bud and giving it a sniff for at least 2 weeks. You'd be surprised at how what you thought was a dried bud you put in the jar will moisten back up. This is because while the bud may have felt crispy dry on the out side there was still moisture deeper down in it. If it gets to feeling to moist and pliable leave the lid off the jar for a while until some more of the moisture can evaporate. And don't pack to much into one jar at first, leave it loose in there. The reason for sniffing it is to make sure you don't get the least bit of moldy smell. If it starts to smell the least bit moldy dump it back out for a day. I once lost some weed to mold by not paying close enough attention at this stage of the game. I like for my weed to have a least 4 to 5 weeks of jar time before I consider it to be fully cured and ready to share with others. I think it makes a hell of a difference in the quality of the smoke. I've got some from two grows back that's been curing in a jar for around a year and it has a much better, more complex, smoother taste than the more recently picked stuff.

I'm betting if you do a little slower dry and longer cure you'll get rid of that "chemical" taste you think was caused by lack of flushing. Was it really a chemical taste or just the taste of green, uncured weed?

If I recall "fdd2blk" has a pretty good tutorial here on the forums about harvesting and curing. It's well worth the reading.

I don't think there's much (if anything) to this giving weed an extended dark period before harvesting. Any more I just try to pick mine at the end of a 12 hour dark period. But if you want to try giving it 24 hours of darkness before harvest go for it. I don't think it will make a bit of difference one way or the other.

Jack
 
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