who are our REAL allies?

cannabineer

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Lucky Luke said:
We know how he got the data- like all of Wiki data it was given to wiki leaks. Wiki published it.
So you think America plotted to murder Assange over an allenge hack which has a 5 year max sentence? They just keep making as many charges as possible for his extradition and then lock him up for life- not the 5 years the hacking charge would be. All this money and bad press for America for a small crime? Nope.
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The bit that matters is how he got what went onto Wikileaks.
A life sentence for espionage is not murder.
 
Dorian2

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Lucky Luke said:
Thats correct Australia doesn't have a major party as far right as the Democrats. But that doesn't make the Democrat's far right to American politics. It's just Australia like most of Europe is much further left than America.
Our two major parties are Labor (Social democrats,left of centre ) and the largest party (currently in power Federally and in most states) and the Liberals- Conservative party. Right of centre.

You have two Conservative parties as the major two. Republicans- far right bordering on Fascism and the Democrats a Conservative right leaning party. Like England we had working mans parties and strong unions- still have them so to us American politics is conservative. If America adopted compulsory voting id wager the Democrats would start catering for the majority of its members and become less conservative. Until then your stuck with two Conservative and hence right wing parties.
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So you're basically saying that you folks are a bunch of fence sitters?

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Lucky Luke

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cannabineer said:
The bit that matters is how he got what went onto Wikileaks.
A life sentence for espionage is not murder.
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Whistle blowers gave wiki the info. How he got it doesnt matter. What matters is war crimes were exposed.

American intelligence plotted to murder Assange at the embassy.
 
Lucky Luke

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Dorian2 said:
So you're basically saying that you folks are a bunch of fence sitters?

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LOL
Nope we are just a Social Democracy and not as far right as Americans. Not as conservative.
Don't get me wrong we have some small far right parties that would be just a little left of the repubs like One nation and United Australia party. But with compulsory voting they have no chance of obtaining power.
 
cannabineer

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Lucky Luke said:
Whistle blowers gave wiki the info. How he got it doesnt matter. What matters is war crimes were exposed.
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Whistleblowing loses much of its moral suasion when the data acquisition method is criminal by a nonpoliticized criterion.

American intelligence plotted to murder Assange at the embassy.
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Same administration that wanted to thermonuke weather. Your outrage is a bit selective imo.
 
Lucky Luke

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cannabineer said:
Whistleblowing loses much of its moral suasion when the data acquisition method is criminal by a nonpoliticized criterion.


Same administration that wanted to thermonuke weather. Your outrage is a bit selective imo.
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Data was true and factual. So therefore has relevance. It was true and factual and exposed crimes so exposing the elected gov is the press's job. The job of the press is to hold government to account.

Its the same administration that started this war against the worlds free press by attempting to extradite Assange. Something the majority of the worlds press is against as are the majority of the western worlds governments.
Its one of trumps lingering legacies.
 
cannabineer

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Lucky Luke said:
Data was true and factual. So therefore has relevance. It was true and factual and exposed crimes so exposing the elected gov is the press job. The job of the press is to hold government to account.

Its the same administration that started this war against the worlds free press by attempting to extradite Assange. Something the majority of the worlds press is against as are the majority of the western worlds governments.
Its one of trumps lingering legacies.
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No argument about that man’s lasting injuries, but that isn’t being perpetuated by our current administration. In fact, current DOJ is following the advice about Caesar’s wife.

As for the data, they are poisoned beyond salvage by the criminal manner in which they were obtained. That part matters, no matter how much you’d like it to be otherwise.
 
Lucky Luke

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One good thing has come out of this attack on whistleblowers is that Australia is introducing laws to help protect future whistle blowers.

www.theguardian.com

Government reveals plan to reform Australia’s whistleblowing laws

Assistant attorney general Amanda Stoker says changes aim to better protect those who speak out, as research shows current scheme failing
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Introduced by our right wing conservative party The Liberals BTW..
Our current Prime Minister is also a signatory to the Free Assange cause.
 
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Lucky Luke

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Who are America's tried and true allies?
France would have to be your biggest. They have supported you from your war against the Brits. You couldn't be if they didn't take an interest. Still a powerhouse military and has interests in the Pacific. Does not start many modern wars if any.
The United Kingdom. Again, blast from the past. Still a powerhouse military. Doesn't start many modern wars but has had a bit of a history of attacking any bit of land they found. Has interests in the Pacific.
Canada. Mix of the two above. Not a military powerhouse but does specialise well. Neighbor that Americans would like to be more of. Doesn't start any wars.
Australia. Not a military powerhouse but does specialise well, large country, located well that has interests in the Pacific. Has fought in every war America has been involved in since 1945. Doesn't start any wars.

Not sure if you have any other meaningful allies? None more important anyways.
You cannot trust Japan fully as you dropped a couple bombs on them and like the Chinese have a very long memory. Japs are also cruel cunts as both our nations soldiers found out first hand.
You cannot trust Israel. They sort of control you which is really strange.
 
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Lucky Luke

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In regard to north and south Korea. I hope i see it become one and peaceful in my lifetime. It could easily become another Vietnam outcome. Which would be wonderful.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Lucky Luke said:
Its very strange that Americans are more concerned about punishing the person who published the war crimes than the fact that they committed them and the people who did commit war crimes are largely /if at all, were not really punished.

Says something about them doesn't it?
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it's very strange that a lunatic living just about as far from a place as you can get on the planet, is still fixated on the "collecticve sins" of it's people. it also seems a little odd that according to this lunatic, this one place is to blame for the sins of the entire world...i wonder if he thinks that if that place is punished, it will absolve the rest of the world of their sins?...think we can find a cross big enough to crucify all of America at once? and who is big enough to hold the spear that will pierce the side of every American at once?...
you can consider us your whipping boy luke, but we fucking fight back...we aren't responsible for the ills of the world...it would be even more fucked up without our influence, and you should know that.
 
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CunningCanuk

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
it's very strange that a lunatic living just about as far from a place as you can get on the planet, is still fixated on the "collecticve sins" of it's the people of that place. it also seems a little odd that according to this lunatic, this one place is to blame for the sins of the entire world...i wonder if he thinks that if that place is punished, it will absolve the rest of the world of their sins?...think we can find a cross big enough to crucify all of America at once? and who is big enough to hold the spear that will pierce the side of every American at once?...
you can consider us your whipping boy luke, but we fucking fight back...we aren't responsible for the ills of the world...it would be even more fucked up without our influence, and you should know that.
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Don’t mind Luke, it’s just his inferiority complex showing.
 
hanimmal

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cannabineer said:
I partially retract. You did say they are right-wing. In US the entire right wing has drunk the fascist kool-aid; even so I’ll take the words out of your mouth. But I maintain that, as of now, the Republicans are the ball game right of center (they own the conservative brand) and with too few exceptions that matter, they are far right.

I take exception to your “fify”. The real war on free press is allowing the fake news organizations to operate imo.



I watched the Beau video. I read it as a joint indictment of how the US handles government whistleblowers, and that we need a mechanism by which damning classified info can be judicially reviewed —and of what Assange did. But that is not the case, and the salient fact is that Assange published classified information which, regardless of content, is correctly a felony.
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I should have checked, but pretty sure that the video was also posted before the Mueller Report showed that he was indeed working with the Russian military to attack our nation and lied spreading propaganda on his blog site t
Lucky Luke said:
Well how do you justify American laws (are they even American laws, is not free press protected by the constitution like Obama said?) being used against a foreigner in a foreign country?

He published war crimes. Americans deserved to know they happened. The people involved should of been punished not the person who published the crimes.
You know, i know, most people know it.
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lmao at any dickhead with a blog being able to claim 'free press', and then with the help of the Russian military, use it to attack our democracy.
Lucky Luke said:
Whistle blowers gave wiki the info. How he got it doesnt matter. What matters is war crimes were exposed.

American intelligence plotted to murder Assange at the embassy.
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And the stuff that the Russian military hacked that Assange then timed to do that most damage in their plan to attack America. Don't forget about them.
 
cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
it's very strange that a lunatic living just about as far from a place as you can get on the planet, is still fixated on the "collecticve sins" of it's people. it also seems a little odd that according to this lunatic, this one place is to blame for the sins of the entire world...i wonder if he thinks that if that place is punished, it will absolve the rest of the world of their sins?...think we can find a cross big enough to crucify all of America at once? and who is big enough to hold the spear that will pierce the side of every American at once?...
you can consider us your whipping boy luke, but we fucking fight back...we aren't responsible for the ills of the world...it would be even more fucked up without our influence, and you should know that.
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just for fun: Antipodal maps of contiguous US
and of Australia.

By my atlas, the Tasmanian antipode is a bit NNW of the islands of Corvo and Flores.

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DIY-HP-LED

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hanimmal said:
I should have checked, but pretty sure that the video was also posted before the Mueller Report showed that he was indeed working with the Russian military to attack our nation and lied spreading propaganda on his blog site t
lmao at any dickhead with a blog being able to claim 'free press', and then with the help of the Russian military, use it to attack our democracy.

And the stuff that the Russian military hacked that Assange then timed to do that most damage in their plan to attack America. Don't forget about them.
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I don't think Joe and the National Security Community have forgotten about the Russians and they're paying a price in Ukraine
 
Lucky Luke

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hanimmal said:
I should have checked, but pretty sure that the video was also posted before the Mueller Report showed that he was indeed working with the Russian military to attack our nation and lied spreading propaganda on his blog site t
lmao at any dickhead with a blog being able to claim 'free press', and then with the help of the Russian military, use it to attack our democracy.

And the stuff that the Russian military hacked that Assange then timed to do that most damage in their plan to attack America. Don't forget about them.
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He isnt charged with anything you have mentioned. You also know this.

Murdoch and Trump cause much more issues in America and they are treated like rock stars. I don't see any charges for Murdoch do you? You don't even need to fight the world for extradition for him. He is even America. In fact rather than look bad to the rest of the world you would look fantastic.
 
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