What is your faith, path or belief?

mr.red said:

AND seeing as we can measure how large our universe is.. I am pretty sure it is not infinite... and since space is not infinite time cannot be either.

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We can measure the expanse of matter into space-time.

The matter of Our know universe is expanding into the infinite amounts of space-time.

Whos to say there wasn't another big bang trillions of trillions of trillions of etc light years aways from Our known universe?

Just as there are + billions of galaxies in Our "known universe", there could be billions of "unknown universes" in the infinite space-time. When I say "know universe" I am referring to the edges of know matter in Our + billion galaxy big bang.

So there could be big bangs taking place all the time in parts of space that are in unfathomable (and unreachable) parts of infinite space.

Our known universe compared to the unknown universe could be like a cell compared the rest of the known universe.

We Love 1 said:

We can measure the expanse of matter into space-time.

The matter of Our know universe is expanding into the infinite amounts of space-time.

Whos to say there wasn't another big bang trillions of trillions of trillions of etc light years aways from Our known universe?

Just as there are + billions of galaxies in Our "known universe", there could be billions of "unknown universes" in the infinite space-time. When I say "know universe" I am referring to the edges of know matter in Our + billion galaxy big bang.

So there could be big bangs taking place all the time in parts of space that are in unfathomable (and unreachable) parts of infinite space.

Our known universe compared to the unknown universe could be like a cell compared the rest of the known universe.

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Yes!!....and Possibly only A thought

CrackerJax said:

Energy can only be transformed, not destroyed. This is making me pissed at the publik skool system.... folks, this is 6th grade stuff when I was in school.


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Yeah. Like I said. I've been told this before. I don't believe it. I've been told a lot of things i don't believe.
Just because someone in school tells you so, doesn't make it true.

We Love 1 said:

As long as there has been space there has been time. Even before the big bang there was space and therefor time. Even if all the stars in the sky burnt out, there would still be infinite space and therefor infinite time.



Yes it is, measurements of time. Time is a component of a measuring system used to sequence events, to compare the durations of events and the intervals between them, and to quantify the motions of objects. The rate/quantity that We measure time is in seconds, hours, days, weeks, etc.



I never implied that gravity is infinite. If something had infinite gravity than it would be a point of singularity with everything in it. Hard to imagine.




There are infinite numbers but yet We are still able to measure things inbetween the infinites, and the same holds true to time.

We can pick out any number between the infinites and use that as a reference point. Just as We used the birth of Jesus Christ to start Our current dating system inbetween the everlasting flow of time.

If time was an eternal flow of water in a stream, We would only be able to measure how much has passed since We picked a referance point somewhere inbetween. Than We would effectivly be able to measure the flow of time from this point. But any amount of measured time will be nil compared to the everlasting flow. Just as any number compared to infinity is nil.

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So you can quote Wikipedia as your own words...

Nice job. Demonstrates your lack of understanding. Time to humans is not the same as 'the universal law of time'. That's my point. It is derived from the law.

Big bang is a theory. What was before it, if it happened, it unknowable. Regardless, prior to it is meaningless. To state the universe existed before 'Big Bang'(for any amount of time) is meaningless. It's unverifiable.

Space is not infinite. Neither is time. Research it!

Infinite is *NOT* a number! It is an idea. Just like these days of which you speak. A day on our planet is not the same as days on other planets. Hours are not the same. Minutes are not the same. Seconds are not the same. We humans created these, not the universe.

There are an infinite amount of numbers between any two numbers that are not equivalent. Like between zero and one. Numbers are ideas in this sense. When numbers are applied to the universe they become much more restricted. You can not divide matter infinitely. There's the atomic(or sub atomic) level which become the smallest possible pieces. Time is the same way. You can only divide a second into so many parts before it becomes meaningless to do so.

But any amount of measured time will be nil compared to the everlasting flow. Just as any number compared to infinity is nil.

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Right!!! That's what I said several posts back.

If it is not nil(null, void, non-existant) then the fact that we exist and experience time as FINITE is proof 'infinite time' does not exist.

I love it when they learn from themselves.

We Love 1 said:

We can measure the expanse of matter into space-time.

The matter of Our know universe is expanding into the infinite amounts of space-time.

Whos to say there wasn't another big bang trillions of trillions of trillions of etc light years aways from Our known universe?

Just as there are + billions of galaxies in Our "known universe", there could be billions of "unknown universes" in the infinite space-time. When I say "know universe" I am referring to the edges of know matter in Our + billion galaxy big bang.

So there could be big bangs taking place all the time in parts of space that are in unfathomable (and unreachable) parts of infinite space.

Our known universe compared to the unknown universe could be like a cell compared the rest of the known universe.

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I don't think you understand space-time.

Let me give you an example.

I travel at 1 meter(space) per second(time). That's space-time.

WhatAmIDoing said:

Yeah. Like I said. I've been told this before. I don't believe it. I've been told a lot of things i don't believe.
Just because someone in school tells you so, doesn't make it true.

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Then you should drop out. Also disregard math and languages and economics...only theories and just because it is taught in skool doesn't make them true.... right? oh my....


You can measure time and space all you want....it doesn't bring you closer to understanding what time and space ARE. Our sciences are not advanced enough to unravel these questions....yet.


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TeaTreeOil said:

I travel at 1 meter(space) per second(time). That's space-time.

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Thats speed! HAHA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed

Speed is the rate of motion, or equivalently the rate of change in position: the distance traveled per unit of time.



Space time is like a fabric, they are interwoven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-time

In physics, spacetime is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single construct called the spacetime continuum. Spacetime is usually interpreted with space being three-dimensional and time playing the role of a fourth dimension that is of a different sort than the spatial dimensions. According to certain Euclidean space perceptions, the universe has three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. By combining space and time into a single manifold, physicists have significantly simplified a large number of physical theories, as well as described in a more uniform way the workings of the universe at both the supergalactic and subatomic levels.
In classical mechanics, the use of Euclidean space instead of spacetime is appropriate, as time is treated as universal and constant, being independent of the state of motion of an observer. In relativistic contexts, however, time cannot be separated from the three dimensions of space, because the rate at which time passes depends on an object's velocity relative to the speed of light and also on the strength of intense gravitational fields which can slow the passage of time.

Infinity is the number before it plus one!

That was meant to be a joke for the tight arses.

I'm done refuting moot points.

hom36rown said:

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You said it, not Me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBEHFFnV3RY

We Love 1 said:

Thats speed! HAHA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed

Speed is the rate of motion, or equivalently the rate of change in position: the distance traveled per unit of time.



Space time is like a fabric, they are interwoven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-time

In physics, spacetime is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single construct called the spacetime continuum. Spacetime is usually interpreted with space being three-dimensional and time playing the role of a fourth dimension that is of a different sort than the spatial dimensions. According to certain Euclidean space perceptions, the universe has three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. By combining space and time into a single manifold, physicists have significantly simplified a large number of physical theories, as well as described in a more uniform way the workings of the universe at both the supergalactic and subatomic levels.
In classical mechanics, the use of Euclidean space instead of spacetime is appropriate, as time is treated as universal and constant, being independent of the state of motion of an observer. In relativistic contexts, however, time cannot be separated from the three dimensions of space, because the rate at which time passes depends on an object's velocity relative to the speed of light and also on the strength of intense gravitational fields which can slow the passage of time.

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all I've ever heard you say is bullshit or demonstrates a total lack of a intelligent brain.

thanks for quoting wikipedia but you still haven't shown you have a clue.

Speed combines space with time... though. Specifically velocity, which actually specifies the direction in space.. over a given time interval. Velocity represents those 4 dimensions.

Again with the lack of comprehension.... while pasting excerpts you clearly don't understand.

...as time is treated as universal and constant..

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Thanks for agreeing with me.... I guess.

When the ABC's of something are not known to a poster...they quickly fill in the gaps with XYZ...thinking it is the same. NOT!!


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i never played AD&D though i loved the neatness of their alignment system.

i am.. Chaotic/Good

as for the god type stuff, for me it is unimportant. lead a life that is not governed by selfishness, try to leave the world in a better state than how you found it, share your life and feelings with others. if there is a god and he/she/it doesnt like that then he/she/it can piss right off
whatever i think about gods etc (and my mind does wander, and change), there is much to be gained from exploring religious thought and writings.. the works that have figured largest in my journey are mainly eastern - the dharmapadda (sp?), upanishads, the gita and tao te ching.
i guess if there is anything i hold above all, then it's nature, but it's no god, just a pure expression of everthing i love

Brazko said:

Yes!!....and Possibly only A thought

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Wuddn't let me rep+ ya, but you deserve a raincheck on that one.

Awesome.

CrackerJax said:

Then you should drop out. Also disregard math and languages and economics...only theories and just because it is taught in skool doesn't make them true.... right? oh my....


You can measure time and space all you want....it doesn't bring you closer to understanding what time and space ARE. Our sciences are not advanced enough to unravel these questions....yet.


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Yeah, that's why when i graduated high school i stopped w/school. it is just theory and inapplicable to real life. unless you consider fabricated life real life. that's just perception too.

I find faith in science faulty. Science was the Earth being flat, then it changed. It was the Earth as the center of the universe, then it changed. These are just a few examples of science's fickleness.

Well said, What. That is also an issue I have with science.

First, eggs are bad for you. And we bow and say 'oh mighty scientist in your empirical knowledge you have saved us.' Then they say eggs are good for us. And again we bow and say 'oh mighty scientist in your empirical knowledge you have saved us.' I think eggs are bad for us again, who knows.

Plus, science is as corrupt and money seeking as religion. The results of scientific tests can certainly be swayed by the ones payin for them....

To put your trust in scientists is as ignorant as putting your trust in the preistcraft....

there is no god as described in the bible. in fact the bible, koran and every other religious book is a waste of space.

logically the universe has to exist somewhere. to those that say it exists in a multiverse then that must also exist somewhere. personally i reckon the real answer to that question will just blow all our minds and is weirder than we can imagine.

as for the after life... i don't think so. when your dead your worm food unless your cremated, in which case your carbon.

i would like to be cremated in a plasma furnace which would break me down into my basic atoms or even better fire me into a black hole.

peace to all. (yeah right you been watchin to much star trek).

We Love 1 said:

You said it, not Me!

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so then you have no answer. I guess you just thought that was the best sounding fairytale?

WhatAmIDoing said:

Yeah, that's why when i graduated high school i stopped w/school. it is just theory and inapplicable to real life. unless you consider fabricated life real life. that's just perception too.

I find faith in science faulty. Science was the Earth being flat, then it changed. It was the Earth as the center of the universe, then it changed. These are just a few examples of science's fickleness.

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No, the earth being flat and the world being the center of the universe were not science, jsut random speculation, science is what proved them to be false. And so what if weve gotten stuff wrong before, that means we should discard it altogether? Thats pretty fucken ridiculous. And Inapplicable to real life???? wow, you gotta be shitting me.

hom36rown said:

No, the earth being flat and the world being the center of the universe were not science, jsut random speculation, science is what proved them to be false. And so what if weve gotten stuff wrong before, that means we should discard it altogether? Thats pretty fucken ridiculous. And Inapplicable to real life???? wow, you gotta be shitting me.

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touche. they probably believe the world is only 10000 years old, noah loaded up two of every animal, the bible is the word of god. ffs.

Why the fuck do so many people who have no grasp of science feel like they have some authority on the subject?

Hard sciences require NO faith. Theories can, but are not hard science. Science never made claims such as a flat Earth, it being the center of the Universe, or eggs being bad for you(they're the reference for soluble protein). The, I dare say it, exact opposites of scientists said such things. Those kind of people are called the faithful.

Science changes and evolves. Most religions are monolithic, that is:
"Having a massive, unchanging structure that does not permit individual variation." - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/monolithic

Or herds of 'mindless robots', applied to the devout followers of such religions.

Not all religions are like this. Some actually encourage critical thinking, rationality, examination, and exploration.