what do you think about miracle grow

You know chemistry may not be my bag, but i am pretty good at botany. Well at least all my plants think so, and no not just pot. I am no expert by any means. I like to experiment to see what happens and not just take peoples words for it. It is nice to have an open mind you tend to learn more that way. Plus I can agree to disagree. Makes for really cool conversations when people can do that. You should try it.

See there you go again you cant comprehend what you read. Never said I was an expert grower. I never said i use shit nutes. Matter of fact never said what i use, for all you know I could use nothing but soil that I make myself using nothing but natural stuff. All you are doing is just assuming and not reading and COMPREHENDING what others are writing. You are so closed minded you cant see anything but your own way, thinking yours is the only way. Sorry but you havent corned the market on anything. Sorry but they have been growing pot all over the world forever. I do not drive a deisel. I do not currently grow with MG. I do not sell weed to anyone. I do not know everything. I do my own research and when i have questions i ask. I also experiment as well so i dont just take anyones word for it. I have an open mind. I am willing to learn from others and LISTEN to what they have to say. I may not always agree with everything they say, but i am willing to listen. And just because someone disagrees with me I dont sit there and call them names. Plus when i am, I do admit i am wrong. Plus I know how to say i am sorry when i am.

I'm a Miracle grow fan I love mg moisture control soil, but i know its not for everyone I like it because its simple and available.

kronicsmurf said:

I'm a Miracle grow fan I love mg moisture control soil, but i know its not for everyone I like it because its simple and available.

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Careful Kronic - there's a troll in these parts.

Yeah we are all going to die of cancer if we use this or any that doesnt come from Cali....

Farmer Tom's All Natural said:

Miracle Grow nutes are made from the leftover petroleum that cannot be made into other products.

It is carcinogenic. (Producing a systemic effect in the cells of the plant which cannot be flushed)

A friend who is a chemist explained to me that Smoking MG nutes causes endocrine damage in mammals.

Hope That Helps!

- Farmer Tom

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dont be posting this stuff just because...is this serious?
my gf is a chemist...she doesnt know anything about soil..

SCARHOLE said:

Orangic fertz in the same concentration an amounts are equally poisonous.
Your organic has the same "poisons" in it that MG has.

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You are wrong, my organic nutrients are not made out of ammonium nitrate, the same substance that leveled the OK federal building. That statement is completely false, maybe you should read up on organic nutrients.

As far as the blue MG food, it's great for ornamental flowers, but seeing as how I don't know it's health effects, why take the chance. And it also has no other benefit besides super strong (N) (P) (K).

When a plant dies, an animal dies, or an animal expels waste, the initial form of nitrogen is organic. Bacteria, or in some cases, fungi, convert the organic nitrogen within the remains back into ammonium (NH4+), a process called ammonification.

I have seen compost piles smoking from the amonia nitrates, they self combust all the time if not mixed.
Im very sure you can make a bomb from organics.

If your fertz were composted, or contain Urea, made from dead organic matter, they got Amonium Nitrates in em.
And if they dont the Microbes in the soil will make some for them.

Having read through this thread with great interest, one thing comes to mind....with the US being the largest litigation country on earth with lawyers all searching for another product to sue "because of".....not one suit has been brought against MG for poisoning our tomatoes,weed or anything else.....having worked in the chemical industry for 30 years, I saw so many products tainted because of "carcinogen" labeling. It appears MG gets a bad rap on others suppositions.
One poster has stated that MG is not sold in his country because of........... the primary reason probably is that no one wants to pay the import charge....go figure. Does anyone remember the PARAQUAT days?

This debate becomes really simple when you understand how large corporations operate. Most, not all, but most are profit driven. That being said, they don't give a shit about you or your kids. If they can make a few extra bucks by buying substandard ingredients a lot of them will. As far as lawsuits concerning MG or like products go...They've got good lawyers, because they're a large corporation. At this point someone is liable to ask me to provide proof of such actions. Do a bit of research on your own to see how the food industry in the US operates. It's all about money and a value menu. I wonder how many participants of this thread know what size a chicken breast is really supposed to be? I'm not trying to be harsh or anything like that. Several doors have been pointed out. You should take the time for yourself and do a bit of searching into the big picture. This question of organic versus synthetic is way bigger than the pot plants you're planning on saving a few bucks on. Because so many of the sheep in this country assume the government is on our side they don't consider the fertilizer they use to be toxic.
Try tasting, simply tasting, the difference between veggies grown with MG versus well tended organics. That's really the only test you need.

Yawn yet another....

Yeah Right said:

This debate becomes really simple when you understand how large corporations operate. Most, not all, but most are profit driven. That being said, they don't give a shit about you or your kids. If they can make a few extra bucks by buying substandard ingredients a lot of them will. As far as lawsuits concerning MG or like products go...They've got good lawyers, because they're a large corporation. At this point someone is liable to ask me to provide proof of such actions. Do a bit of research on your own to see how the food industry in the US operates. It's all about money and a value menu. I wonder how many participants of this thread know what size a chicken breast is really supposed to be? I'm not trying to be harsh or anything like that. Several doors have been pointed out. You should take the time for yourself and do a bit of searching into the big picture. This question of organic versus synthetic is way bigger than the pot plants you're planning on saving a few bucks on. Because so many of the sheep in this country assume the government is on our side they don't consider the fertilizer they use to be toxic.
Try tasting, simply tasting, the difference between veggies grown with MG versus well tended organics. That's really the only test you need.

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I keep reading the same stuff over and over, but it is hearsay with out evidence.
I am not saying MG does or does not contain toxic ingredients, you are saying it does so I simply ask you for verifiable proof.
I will not argue the tastiness of organic versis chemically grown as I believe your statement that an educated palet can discern the difference.
I will not argue that I would greatly prefer to ingest organically grown food/smoke, just that you provide solid proof that your statement is true.
Peace

From the Scotts site........Our potting soils generally contain peat moss (the major component that is harvested from natural peat bogs), compost (the compost may contain animal manures, composted leaves, grass clippings, and/or composted bark), and perlite (white volcanic rocks used for drainage and soil texture). Some contain Osmocote fertilizer that look like small clear fluid-filled balls.

The Miracle-Gro Moisture Control Potting Mix also contains composted hulls of coconuts to help absord more water than regular potting soil. This is the Aqua Coir (pronounced "core") component of the soil.

So are you guys saying that theres toxic ingrediants but they dun tell you? all MG i use it just says NPK and thats it so weird names

Farmer Tom's All Natural said:

Sorry, petroleum is carcinogenic.

Leading cause of cancer in California? Exhaust from diesel trucks.

(I bet these guys both drive diesels.)

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Any burning plant matter including Cannibis is proven to be carcinogenic as well.
" The leading cause of cancer in order:
Growing older
Tobacco
Sunlight
Ionizing radiation
Certain chemicals and other substances
Some viruses and bacteria
Certain hormones
Family history of cancer
Alcohol
Poor diet, lack of physical activity, or being overweight"

That about clears up the misinformation in this post.

wow first 7-8 pages pretty amusing, dont agree with tom though. FDA wont let you eat shit thats harmful and MG is used world wide.

im totally anti-establishment yet thats all we have since neither of you have shown sufficient evidence backing your claims.

sourdieseltech said:

FDA wont let you eat shit thats harmful and MG is used world wide.

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thats what i said