thetrickstergod
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I have yet to find a definitive guide to how these things are similar or different...any pointers appreciated.
Wax, Keif, Bubble, Melt, Shatter, Concentrates, BHO...
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Fadedawg
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Hee, hee, hee, I can tell you what it means heah in the back country, but it may be different other places and tomorrow it will be different heah......
The language is changing and the word wax is used a lot lately for new products that are different, not to mention that extractions often contain plant waxes.
Wax to this oooold technocrat is the plant wax that protects the leaves, as well as that protecting the trichomes. I'm pretty sure that isn't the wax you are thinking of, but it may well play a part in making the other types of waxes.
BHO is sometimes turned into a budder by whipping, and into a wax using vacuum and heat over an extended period. Some oil extractions self budder or wax, as the extraction solvent exits, which I suspect is related to emulsions, and hydrates. One theory is that the wax forms a hydrate and becomes a point of nucleation for the crystaline latice that forms.
Matt Rize also makes a refined ice extraction that he has named a wax, to differentiate it from full melt bubble.
Kief means kif. Kif, the Arabic word for pleasure, is the name of the trichomes, once harvested by dry sieving.
Bubble describes trichomes harvested using ice water, and if full melt, will melt and form a bubble when heat is applied, with little ash left behind.
Shatter is the carboxylic acid form of cannabis essential oils. It is brittle at room temperature and can be extracted with either polar or non polar solvents, but best by polar solvents, as it is polar itself.
Once decarboxylated, the resin is no longer brittle and slumps or even runs at room temperature.
Concentrates covers all the different cannabis products, made by harvesting resins and isolating them from the remaining plant matter. That includes both hash and oils.
BHO, stands for Butane Honey Oil, and is cannabis essential oil extracted using butane as the solvent.
As extracted, the BHO can be either a raw oleoresin or concrete, depending on whether it was extracted from a fresh green plant or a dried plant, and once winterized to remove the plant waxes, become an Absolute, commonly called an Absolute Amber.
Soooo, what do those words mean out in the fast lane ya'll?
wormdrive66
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This is Kief
iSmokealottaweed
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Doer
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Hey Fade,
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- Shatter is the carboxylic acid form of cannabis essential oils. It is brittle at room temperature and can be extracted with either polar or non polar solvents, but best by polar solvents, as it is polar itself.
- Once decarboxylated, the resin is no longer brittle and slumps or even runs at room temperature.
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What is the best way to avoid the decarb, just low temps?
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- Shatter is the carboxylic acid form of cannabis essential oils. It is brittle at room temperature and can be extracted with either polar or non polar solvents, but best by polar solvents, as it is polar itself.
- Once decarboxylated, the resin is no longer brittle and slumps or even runs at room temperature.
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What is the best way to avoid the decarb, just low temps?
Captain Curry
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So I dont want to hijack this thread, but I dont really want to start a new thread just to get a simple quick answer. I have a full unit of pure table/box kief... what would be my best method/option to turn it into something useful for myself. Ive been told bubble hash? Ive tried some with my regular bho method and that kinda sucked.
SnapsProvolone
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Garbage In Garbage Out. Whats the quality of the source material?
lio lacidem
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It depends on what you are looking for as end result. Ive turned some pretty crappy kief into some dank tincture.
Captain Curry
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I get the whole in and out stuff Im not asking for anyone to give me a miracle answer. Im just looking for the best route to go with what I have so I can get the best end hash, oil or whatever. Tbh I didnt see the material it came from... I guess the consistency is whats throwing me off. It came like a brick, once it sat out it does turn kind of more into a dust. It just seems like its too far down the line to be good blasting butane through it. Normally id blend up small buds and sugar leaf and use the butane but this seems like this is already 1 step more refined already and mostly tris already?? idk maybe a shit ton of edibles. lol
qwizoking
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I used to just get bricks for the low by the border and run that. Not much flavor but little chlorophyll. Made for some smooth oil I could sell, run through a micron filter and its fire.
Anyway with that type of material blasting it is kinda hard. A soak method is best. If its decent kief just throw it in some Iso and filter it
My 2¢
Anyway with that type of material blasting it is kinda hard. A soak method is best. If its decent kief just throw it in some Iso and filter it
My 2¢
Captain Curry
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Hey thanks for the reply, Im kinda new to concentrates... Could you give me a brief explanation of a soak method? and what is iso? Sorry if these are retarded ?s.
Fadedawg
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Decarboxylation occurs at ambient temperatures, but speeds up as the temperatures rise. If you look at the attached chart, you get some idea of the reaction at different temperatures.
We consistently get shatter, aka carboxylic acid, using material that is reasonably fresh, and both extracting and finishing the oleoresin at low temperatures.
If you are extracting with a Terpenator, set it along side the water bath and submerge it occasionally, long enough to melt away any ice that has formed, so as to be able to keep track of where the liquid line is. At the ultra low temperatures achieved boiling butane under vacuum, boiling stops and the butane is sublimated away, chilling the oil to below -27C. A vacuum gauge is mostly worthless under those conditions, so where the ice forms is an important piece of information.
On the larger Mk's, there is a thermocouple in the collections pots to keep track of temperatures and the temperature of the water is maintained around 65/85F.
Once finished in the Terpenator, I stick my collection pots in the freezer for 30 minutes to make harvesting the cotton candy a snap. I then place that on parchment paper in a 115F vacuum oven until it warms up and is pliable, and then I remove it and roll it into a ball, which I flatten into a patty and warm up again, before rolling thin between two parchments (folded).
I then freeze the patty and parchment until the parchment separates easily and then place it in a Martha Stewart foil backed parchment paper tray, which I set on a marble shelf, in a vacuum oven.
For carboxylic acid, aka shatter, I place on a stone shelf in a vacuum oven at 115F and vacuum to -29.5" Hg until the solvent bubbles cease rising.
If I've inserted a winterization between the collection pot and the vacuum oven, I cold boil away the ethanol at 115F and -29.5", but a rotary evaporator is the fastest way to boil it off under vacuum, with minimal heat.
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Fadedawg
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As noted, it is what it is, but you can extract what ever goodness it does have by grinding it up small and soaking it in ethanol. As the green plant material is out of the equation, you can soak for extended periods without picking up chlorophyll and water solubles.
Filter it, chill it, filter it again, and remove the ethanol. It may be already mostly decarboxylated, so shatter is unlikely, but you can still extract useable oil, that is what it is.
For couch locking medibles, distill off the ethanol in a 250F hot oil bath and stop when all bubbles cease. To preserve more of the head effects, stop when the large randomly sized solvent bubbles cease, and only the fizzy CO2 bubbles remain.
Not sure what you mean by ballast, but mathematically it can be modeled as a low frequency pole or long time constant in a control loop. Temperature variations will be integrated out.
In this application it adds stability. If you wanted a temperature agile system this would not be a good choice.
Fadedawg
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THCA doesn't readily pass the blood brain barrier to gain access to the B-1 receptors. If vaporized, that isn't an issue, as the vaporization decarboxylates it, but it is if taken orally.Thanks for the help.I had not seen that chart.
Just so I'm clear what is the difference really? I know the difference in De-cab or not about THC.
Is it just the looks and taste, i.e., the esthetics about Shatter?
I'm only after my meds. I have no commercial intention.