War

Fogdog said:

How would you react if Russia invaded your country?

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Probably like them kids did in Red Dawn.

printer said:

The State Duma responded to information about the mobilization of cars of Russians
The Lower House does not rule out that the situation may change
Deputies of the State Duma are not discussing the possible seizure of personal vehicles of Russians for the needs of a special operation. Georgy Karlov, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, told Podyom that information about the mobilization of vehicles is nothing more than “rumors, word of mouth and other misunderstandings.” According to him, "nonsense" of this kind is not discussed in the offices of the Lower Chamber, but Karlov does not rule out that the situation may change.

“And everything that goes around is rumors, word of mouth and other misunderstandings. There is no such nonsense within the walls of the Duma, at least not yet. There are no conditions, no need for this, and there is no talk about this either within the Defense Committee or in the State Duma as a whole. Let them sleep peacefully, drive, move, do everything in accordance with the law,” Karlov said.

Earlier it was reported that as part of the mobilization for the needs of the army, not only the population, but also personal cars of citizens can be involved. The law "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation" lists an extensive list of vehicles of categories M1G, N1G (off-road vehicles and buses) suitable for the military, from Chevrolet Niva and Nissan X-Trail SUVs to UAZs and GAZs.
https://motor.ru/news/cars-sales-30-09-2022.htm?utm_source=readmoreintopic&utm_medium=readmoreoutoftopic3&utm_campaign=analytics
In addition, some Russian regions began to publish orders "On the announcement of mobilization", which spelled out, among other things, the procedure for the departure of citizens. In particular, in Tatarstan and Dagestan, citizens must deliver vehicles for registration, including road construction and lifting vehicles, to military registration and enlistment offices. As BFM clarifies , all cars do not need to be transported: only equipment that can potentially be useful in wartime is taken into account.

В Госдуме отреагировали на информацию о мобилизации автомобилей россиян

Депутаты Государственной думы не обсуждают возможное изъятие личного транспорта россиян для нужд спецоперации. Как сообщил изданию «Подъем» член комитета Госдумы по обороне Георгий Карлов, информация о мобилизации машин — не более чем «слухи, сарафанное радио и прочие недоразумения». По его...

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they're reduced to stealing their own citizens vehicles to use? that's just pathetic...

Fogdog said:

Some red meat for you guys:

It's a different veiwpoint. Chomsky says the US is preventing Ukraine and Russia from reaching a settlement and because of that, we are making global warming worse. (or something like that). He also says that the people of Europe (especially France and Germany) oppose intervention in the Russo-Ukraine war. Also that UK is a lackey of the US. Prashad echoes Chomsky's claim that in March, Russia and Ukraine had reached an acceptable settlement but US said no. He goes on to say the US is blocking negotiations. And, arms spending is $2 T, while the UN budget is $2B. That might be true but I don't know what point he's making.

Anyway, the link provides a good snapshot of what @Lucky Luke will be saying over the next week or so.

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My goodness, there's a lot to object to in that video.

Fogdog said:

Some red meat for you guys:

It's a different veiwpoint. Chomsky says the US is preventing Ukraine and Russia from reaching a settlement and because of that, we are making global warming worse. (or something like that). He also says that the people of Europe (especially France and Germany) oppose intervention in the Russo-Ukraine war. Also that UK is a lackey of the US. Prashad echoes Chomsky's claim that in March, Russia and Ukraine had reached an acceptable settlement but US said no. He goes on to say the US is blocking negotiations. And, arms spending is $2 T, while the UN budget is $2B. That might be true but I don't know what point he's making.

Anyway, the link provides a good snapshot of what @Lucky Luke will be saying over the next week or so.

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From the bit of reading I’ve done, Chomsky fails to denounce Russian territorial claims. If negotiation in this instance includes safety from territorial concession to the aggressor, I haven’t seen it.

I made it halfway through the vid, and Chomsky was irritatingly noncommittal on that key point.

The Russian Government is corrupt, Their military officer corps is corrupt, and their NCO's are worthless, so good Luck Vlad! We need to give Ukraine a couple of dozen Tomahawks to take out the Crimea bridges, just as Vlad is surging his forces.

GoatSoup said:

The Russian Government is corrupt, Their military officer corps is corrupt, and their NCO's are worthless, so good Luck Vlad! We need to give Ukraine a couple of dozen Tomahawks to take out the Crimea bridges, just as Vlad is surging his forces.

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I felt similarly at first, but with threats of nukes becoming more of a reality, the fact that they suck and "we" are sucking up all their resources, just doesn't matter.

Fogdog said:

Some red meat for you guys:

It's a different veiwpoint. Chomsky says the US is preventing Ukraine and Russia from reaching a settlement and because of that, we are making global warming worse. (or something like that). He also says that the people of Europe (especially France and Germany) oppose intervention in the Russo-Ukraine war. Also that UK is a lackey of the US. Prashad echoes Chomsky's claim that in March, Russia and Ukraine had reached an acceptable settlement but US said no. He goes on to say the US is blocking negotiations. And, arms spending is $2 T, while the UN budget is $2B. That might be true but I don't know what point he's making.

Anyway, the link provides a good snapshot of what @Lucky Luke will be saying over the next week or so.

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Opinions, no more valid than those expressed here, a settlement with Putin is not possible, Zelinsky arrived at that conclusion too. They already have a treaty with Russia in exchange for their nukes, any agreement would be meaningless. Peace at any price, no matter who you sell down the river, perhaps they missed the atrocities the Russians committed along with the war crimes. Lawless people do not honor contracts.

The main thing to remember in all this is the people are voting with their feet, the Russians to the borders and the Ukrainians to the recruitment office. Actions speak louder than words and putting your own ass on the line is an action that speaks loudest of all.

America, from leading the allied charge to stabbing them in the back, triggering the libs and getting the brown folks is more important than anything to many Americans, facts and common sense be damned. How the fuck the republicans are even in the running given their recent history is beyond me and the comprehension of any thinking person. You can't just blame J6 on Trump, he had a lot of help, 145 of them in congress and many will be reelected paying no price at all for treason and trying to install a defacto king as head of government.

If the democrats lose the house in November, I expect enough shit will be voted on to give the Ukrainians a huge advantage, before the congress ends with the year. I also expect the Ukrainians to be super aggressive if the democrats lose the house and use the arms they are given to maximum advantage before the republicans cut off funds to Ukraine for their ally Putin. Putin is having more luck taking over the GOP than Ukraine, he owns more of it.

Putin’s Last Days in the Bunker

Vlad seems to be reliving the Führer’s last days in the bunker.

• Took direct command of the army? Check
• Ordered no retreat by collapsing troops? Check
• Throwing untrained and under-equipped conscripts into the meat grinder in a desperate attempt to delay the inevitable? Check
• Delusional ravings about the degenerate West? Check
• Announced the annexation of lands he does not control and his army is in full retreat from? - OK, Hitler didn’t do that one. Vlad must have thought that up on his own.

Putin is no longer fighting to annex Ukraine. He is now fighting for his own survival. You can follow Kos and Mark Sumner’s accounts of Russia’s rapidly deteriorating position on the battlefield. Every passing day the Ukrainian army gets bigger, stronger, better trained, and better armed and the Russian army gets weaker, less equipped, and more demoralized. Now that Putin has declared an attack on Ukraine's own territory an attack on Russia there really is no longer any reason not to attack actual Russian territory. Just to be clear attack does not mean invade, it means bombing military targets. Something that Ukraine has already been doing. But as Putin considers defending parts of Ukraine equivalent to attacking Russia Western allies should not be squeamish about sending Ukraine long-range weapons.

As his army disintegrates under the Ukrainian assault, the Russian federation looks to be fraying, and the Russian economy is in free fall. Demonstrations, draft-age males fleeing over the border by the thousands, ethnic minorities in republics like Dagestan who have borne the brunt of the war on the verge of open rebellion. The Tsar is being openly criticized by allies and supporters (when they are not falling out of windows). Something that has never before happened.

Putin is a desperate man losing touch with reality as the walls close in. Turns out the self-styled strategic genius or should I say ‘very stable genius’ was an idiot way out of his depth. His bully act is no longer working, and he's got nothing else. No backup plan. No ability to think on his feet and adapt to reality. Not smart enough to come up with some way to save himself. He just keeps replaying his golden oldies hoping that if he just turns up the volume they will start working again. His mouthpieces in the media sound as desperate and confused as their boss.

Everyone now knows the emperors got no clothes. The only question now is how many more will have to die before Putin goes the way of Hitler and Mussolini?

So Russia learned nothing from afghanistan.

They learned to stay out of Afghanistan….

Looks like the Ukrainians are really rolling up the Russians in Kherson and are advancing rapidily exploiting the Russian's confusion and disarray. Things are happening fast in the south and the Russian's best troops were there. Once they've taken a place and some time has passed, they are posting more videos of their liberated towns, no doubt to cause shit in Moscow, lower Russian morale in Ukraine and boost morale on the home front.

Whoever did this shit won't want to surrender, assuming they are still alive, because coming across someone with a box full of these on the battlefield might mean an instant death sentence for them.

Polly Wog said:

So Russia learned nothing from afghanistan.

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they learned the wrong things. They controlled the narrative to some extent, but more importantly, they had geography on their side. Most of Afghanistan was isolated by the terrain, which meant that the Russians could dictate the pace of their expenditure there.

They have none of that in Ukraine. They made gains in ‘14, a thing they are not achieving now. The terrain does not give them a much-needed time out, and Ukraine has so far been able to hold them to a “die this way, or die that way” operational tempo.

The one real revelation of the conflict so far is what a paper tiger the Russian army has turned out to be. This raises fears of nukes, but in my decidedly unprofessional opinion, a nuclear use would put Russia from the frying pan into the fire, turning the outcome from an empire-ender into a nation-ender.

If there will be negotiations, Ukraine will be participating from a position of unquestionable, if not necessarily unquestioned, strength.

doublejj said:

Ukraine's elite 'Shaman' special forces 'always shoot Russians in the balls'
A fighter from Ukraine’s elite 10th Special Forces Detachment – known as the Shaman battalion for their “supernatural” ability to infiltrate enemy position undetected – revealed how he always aims his gun at his opponents groin.
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Ukraine's elite 'Shaman' special forces 'always shoot Russians in the balls'

Fighters from Ukraine's so-called 'Shaman battalion' reveal the brutal close-quarters tactics they use to cripple Russia's supply lines despite being massively outgunned

www.dailystar.co.uk

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