Vertical yalll. Seriously Look

Are we all fuckin stupid? Is there a certain reason that we have all been growing flat? It looks like to me that vertical is the new standard in pot. I hear or growers getting yields like 3.5 lbs on one 1000 watter.

It looks simple simple to set up a version usinng some home depot shelving. We all have fans and all the misc stuff anyway. There is almost nothing new to buy and the reward is enourmous.

Most of us spend big money at the hydro shop in order to maximize our yields. And to think, the cheapest way to grow in the least amount of space is with verticle. I could outgrow a 6x6 flat plot in a Verticle spacee of just 6x6x6. You just moved from 36 square feet of canopy to 144 square feet of canopy. And with maximum possibel light intesity.

I have decided to grow vertical and i just want to know the reasons that any other method is being advocated. It seems like common sense to me. Ive been chasin the golden 1 gram per watt for three grows now, and to see these guys say that a dummy could get that growing vertical leaves me to beleive that my talents could reap me mega benefits.

So, why havnt you guys swithced? I know there are some experienced growers on here who still grow flat. Whats keeping you grwoing flat?

Tanks guys.

You have any good pics of vertical growing? I thought some bulbs could only be hung sideways? Or is that not true. You wouldnt be able to use a reflector or cooltube then in that case, right?

OneHit said:

You have any good pics of vertical growing? I thought some bulbs could only be hung sideways? Or is that not true. You wouldnt be able to use a reflector or cooltube then in that case, right?

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http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1286588&fpart=1

look at this thread, you can also use a cooltube verticle to go aircooled even thogh this sguy didnt.

He gets 3plus lbs per 1000w lamp.

and no you dont have to use a reflector at all.

haha youll soon find out how much harder it is to grow vertical bro, good luck with it, but dont call people stupid man, growing vertical takes alot more work and alot more money if u wanna do it right

OneHit said:

You have any good pics of vertical growing? I thought some bulbs could only be hung sideways? Or is that not true. You wouldnt be able to use a reflector or cooltube then in that case, right?

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most of your bulbs your local grow shop carry you can use vertical, or horel.

i would still recomend a refletor

aknight3 said:

haha youll soon find out how much harder it is to grow vertical bro, good luck with it, but dont call people stupid man, growing vertical takes alot more work and alot more money if u wanna do it right

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How so man? Click the thread link i have below. This guy grows super cheap he gets 12lbs from 4500 w every two months. And he does it with a cheaper setup than my fancy aircooled flood drain kit.

Im not calling everyone stupid. I just feel stupid for not paying attention to the vertical scene. I too thought you had to buy and expensive omega garden or commercial equivalent in order to go vertical(there are some expensive kits out there). But these DIY guys have done all the work for us. They have figured out ways to do it dirt cheap. prob cheaper than alot of setups ive seen on here.

ALot of guys ramble off list of like 6k worth of hardware in order to get to 1 gram per watt dry. These DIY vertical guys get up to 2grams per watt sometimes.

The most ive ever gotten is about .8 grams per watt.

So...........i feel like a tard, and im just trying to hear from other peopole because i want to see if there really is something im not seeing. Is vertical some hidden monster that will make me regret trying her?

It's the "That's the way we always did it" shit, beating a dead horse. In Summer, lay a plant in a container on it's side for about 2 days. Every branch becomes "top cola". When she's 4' or more tall, lay the bitch down in a shallow trench, and cover main stalk. Vee cuts on the buried side will start rooting. Add a little seaweed & molasses tea along the buried stalk, and you have 10 X's the yield potential. A fucking pic would be seeing a tree laid down on the ground for a couple years. Look at all the top growth. But then there is the guys that spend high dollar on 250 per gram strains for 1 top cola, and brag about it. So, go figure.

I think terracing has been aroud for thousands of years.
Thats basically what he's doing, big deal

Now you want to get innovative check this out
Link:http://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=1521&gclid=CMO5tcf67ZcCFQECGgod3AoxCg

this is pretty cool.


You might be retarded, but I'm not.....

topfuel29 said:

I think terracing has been aroud for thousands of years.
Thats basically what he's doing, big deal

Now you want to get innovative check this out
Link:http://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=1521&gclid=CMO5tcf67ZcCFQECGgod3AoxCg

this is pretty cool.

You might be retarded, but I'm not.....

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im not talking about inovation man. The Omega garden is whats wrong with vertical i think. It keeps people thinking that they have to spend money on a system just becuase they cant diy. DIY has become very easy now, and you can set up a vertical grow op like a 4k watt omega for about 300 bucks

no I've always been aware of vert growing just looks like more work and since I produce enough for myself no need but I have always thought about it

topfuel - thats sweet. I've seen them as some point somewhere but that was cool checkin the stuff out on the site.

- of subject, I LOL'd when i saw the tags for the post " Fuckin, retarted, yalll" hahaha

smppro said:

no I've always been aware of vert growing just looks like more work and since I produce enough for myself no need but I have always thought about it

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thats what i said, thats what alot of peeps have been telling me about why they havnt went vertical. Seems like we get satisfied with what works and all the ego we put into are setups that we just dont want to go with something that obviously produces higher yields. I wont say its better quality but there definitely is more of it.

i grow micro sog under a 250w , i do it like that coz i like a lot of different strains to pick from ........not sure how mounting the lights vertical would help scrog or sog ?
but sayin that ive never really looked intpo vert growing so im not sure ?

proheto8008 said:

http://forums.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1286588&fpart=1

look at this thread, you can also use a cooltube verticle to go aircooled even thogh this sguy didnt.

He gets 3plus lbs per 1000w lamp.

and no you dont have to use a reflector at all.

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thts insane... how long did tht dude veg for... u no?

if you've got some vertical shite figured out... then riddle be this... (no condescension intended... i've asked the same question previously and got zero responses):

say i got a 15 by 13 room and intend to use (4) 1000w bulbs... those would do okay to cover the '13 by 11' footprint. do you really think i'd get more by putting up a wall and only using 1/2 that space or less? with a 2 level vert system? or how about just positioning the bulbs in the entire room as i was going to do... but incorporating some steps around the walls in something like a stadium setup?

i've heard people say that you can get 'the same or more' from going vertical. if it is more work, then i'd certainly hope i didn't end up getting the same amount. for one thing, flat is tried, tested and true. I personally have no experience with vert. but, heh, man - i'm all about increasing yield... so i been thinking about it a lot lately. but i'm still retarded

this is why. because youre using 4k watts to light that whole say 12x12. Now imagine this.

use 8x12 as a grow space, use the other 4x12 to veg and for storage.

set up two chambers in the 8x12 cutting it in half to two 4x6 foot spaces. Build an octagon with two tiers of shelving. make the octagon a four foot diameter. now you go from only having 4x12 flat grow space to having over 175 square feet of wall space illuminated by the bulb in the center.

Now if you fill that wallspace with trained plants on shelving to fill up the area of the wall then its like you have s sea of green on the walls. More square footage of canopy man.

The guy in the link i posted earlier has two rooms like i described above with 2k in each room. He gets 6lbs per room. You quadruple the square footage of the canopy. This is a fact.

You get more that is a fact. If you are skilled enough to get 1lb per 1000 watts flat then you are skilled enough to make a sucessfull vertical op.

i think he's using a 8' by 8' square (though i'm sure octagon would be nice) and was actually yielding just over 4 lbs. with (2) 1000w hps in his vert setup. The 6lbs was after he added another 600w between the two, i beleive.

Still, 2lbs per 1000w beats the 1 1/4 to 1 1/3 that i got off my last flat go at it. Some people do manage to pull 2lbs. per 1000w flat... which once again begs the question.

also, say i was in a 15' by 13' ... that's 195' sq. ft. of 'useable space'.
the same room with 8' walls... maybe say 15' x 8' x 2 + 12' x 8' x2 (taking a foot off for the corner that you can't use twice....) equals around 432' sq. ft. of 'useable space' ... that means you are -doubling' the sq' footage of the canopy, Not 'quadrupling' it. If you erected another wall in the middle of this space... then you would be approximately tripling it.

then you have to take into consideration that the buds may not be as good looking on the walls as they would flat. i have yet to see monster cola after monster cola rising away from a vert. grow wall at a 90 degree angle... but that is just a common picture when you are looking at the final pre-harvest of a flat grow.

taken all-together... i would guess that you are actually doing less than 'doubling' the useable sq. ft.age. Is it worth doing? If you don't mind incoorporating the setup... rotating plants, etc.... probably so. but it isn't all "cut and dried" as some people would make it sound.

DaGambler said:

i think he's using a 8' by 8' square (though i'm sure octagon would be nice) and was actually yielding just over 4 lbs. with (2) 1000w hps in his vert setup. The 6lbs was after he added another 600w between the two, i beleive.

Still, 2lbs per 1000w beats the 1 1/4 to 1 1/3 that i got off my last flat go at it. Some people do manage to pull 2lbs. per 1000w flat... which once again begs the question.

also, say i was in a 15' by 13' ... that's 195' sq. ft. of 'useable space'.
the same room with 8' walls... maybe say 15' x 8' x 2 + 12' x 8' x2 (taking a foot off for the corner that you can't use twice....) equals around 432' sq. ft. of 'useable space' ... that means you are -doubling' the sq' footage of the canopy, Not 'quadrupling' it. If you erected another wall in the middle of this space... then you would be approximately tripling it.

then you have to take into consideration that the buds may not be as good looking on the walls as they would flat. i have yet to see monster cola after monster cola rising away from a vert. grow wall at a 90 degree angle... but that is just a common picture when you are looking at the final pre-harvest of a flat grow.

taken all-together... i would guess that you are actually doing less than 'doubling' the useable sq. ft.age. Is it worth doing? If you don't mind incoorporating the setup... rotating plants, etc.... probably so. but it isn't all "cut and dried" as some people would make it sound.

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your math is way off

ur right it is. if i were growing in a 15' by 13' space with say a useable area of 13' by 11' (or 12x12)... that would be 144 sq. ft. of useable floor space... or 195 sq. ft. if your growing wall to wall. (with 4 1000w HPS)

if i followed his example then i would partion the room down to (2) 8' by 8' spaces. he doesn't put plants in the corners... so for each wall he has a 6' by 8' area ... let's say x4 even though there has to be a doorway to get in... so that's 6x8x4 ='s 192 sq ft per vert area x2 ='s 384 useable space along those walls... take off 48 sq ft. for the total of 2 doors (1/2 wall each).... for 336 total useable wall space.

so that creates a bit less than 2.5 x as much useable area at best (arguably area that isn't as usefull)... or a little over 1.5x as much space if i were growing wall to wall... so maybe you are 'doubling' your lights coverage.

but if that were actually true, with some people getting 2lbs. off of a flat 1000w HPS grow.. then this guy would be pulling 8lbs. per vert area... for 16 lbs. total. which isn't happening. so the area is, obviously, not quite as useful.

i'm not trying to argue with you bro. i'm just trying to figure it out, since no one seems to have any sound advice for me. RE: the benefit of cutting down the floor space used to go vert. VS. just staying flat in a room for which space is not a limitation.

Vertical is Obviously -THE- way to go if you want to maximize yield in a small area, say 8' by 8'. No doubt, 100% guaranteed.

Now what if i were to go with ( 8 ) 600w HPS in the same room. And not limit the dimensions or put up any partitions. You could arguable use the entire space as a vertical grow. And be pulling only 800w more than the (4) 1000w HPS. But then you'd have to factor in the fact that 600w's have less penetration. There's just so many damn factors and possibilities... it takes the fun right out of trying to figure it all out