Using marijuana as part of your prayer life if your a Christian..

The church's had all the power and wanted control of the trade routes.
I'll not go into what was being traded. So selective persecution by way of written word is not a new concept.
The King James version is not even close to the correct translations.
A word here or there.
WILL ROB YOU OF YOUR CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE SALVATION TO IT"S FULLEST DEGREE.

Every tanslation out there, when compared to each other mean the exact same thing (I am talking about the ones that include all 66 books, no more or less) You can compare them and see it to be true. Thankfully our salvation is not found in the actual words of the bbile but in the living Christ. If we don't have the holy Spirit guide us to understand the bible then we cant understand it without his help. We do not have salvation from the bible but the bible is to lead us to salvation which is in the risen Christ. he is alive, the book testifies to Him to lead us to Him.

For your own piece of mind I encourage you to ponder this no longer.

Some people think herb is the blood and body of Christ.

See I told you not to think about it.

And scripture shows otherwise.

trueg115 said:

No one can truly understand the kingdom of God unless he is born again. What does righteousness have in common with unrighteousness? In other words, a former or non christian cannot give true advice about he bible because they cannot understand it without the Holy Spirit. The wisdom of this world is coming to nothing, we have supplied true doctrines and scriptures to show it is okay when used in the right context. We are not twisting it.

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Special pleading ftl!

A xtian cannot understand the bible without a working knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.


You guys should really figure out your message and stick with it instead of changing it based on the circumstance. On one hand we keep being told the bible simple, it should be self-evident to anyone, is made by god to be accessible to everyone, which undoubtedly should include those that haven't been imbued with the holy spirit. Now you tell us that former xtians or non-xtians cannot possibly understand. Well Jews don't think you xtians understand their bible, which your bible relies heavily upon. Jesus certainly had just cause to accuse the pharisees of being way to strict with the law to the point making the intent lost in the minutiae. However, claiming that Jesus, still an observant Jew, meant to do away with the law altogether is misunderstanding his message and going to the opposite extreme. You're worse than the pharisees, cherry picking what you want and discarding everything else. The same code that xtians use to denounce gays is the same one prohibiting the eating of shellfish or wearing clothing of mixed fabrics.

trueg115 said:

I am talking about the ones that include all 66 books, no more or less

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Right because the orthodoxy says so...
The books chosen by committee, not by any standard that can be considered divine.

carl.burnette said:

Good job, fabulous wife & kids. Hell I even got a Jeep but I feel God has something for me.

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Slice of reality right there

If you think it's wrong to get totally stoned just the same way you think it's wrong to get totally wasted drunk, you need to start getting totally high. Yes there is a difference, and if getting totally high is still wrong to you, you haven't been high enough yet, keep toking and experiment with strains, and when it becomes totally right let us all know. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Can a hermie plant be born again and not want to fuck itself?

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mindphuk said:

Special pleading ftl!

A xtian cannot understand the bible without a working knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.


You guys should really figure out your message and stick with it instead of changing it based on the circumstance. On one hand we keep being told the bible simple, it should be self-evident to anyone, is made by god to be accessible to everyone, which undoubtedly should include those that haven't been imbued with the holy spirit. Now you tell us that former xtians or non-xtians cannot possibly understand. Well Jews don't think you xtians understand their bible, which your bible relies heavily upon. Jesus certainly had just cause to accuse the pharisees of being way to strict with the law to the point making the intent lost in the minutiae. However, claiming that Jesus, still an observant Jew, meant to do away with the law altogether is misunderstanding his message and going to the opposite extreme. You're worse than the pharisees, cherry picking what you want and discarding everything else. The same code that xtians use to denounce gays is the same one prohibiting the eating of shellfish or wearing clothing of mixed fabrics.

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This si where you have assumed wrongly though, you assumed that Christ came to destroy the law. Rather He came to fulfill it. We do not abolish the law, rather we uphold the law.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5

In other words, in Christ we are above the law and keep the law because we keep love. Love does not go against the law. And the shellfish etc argument is null and void because that is apart of the law that Christ has fulfilled, it was not about what went into the mouth, but what came out of the heart. You do not understand what Jesus was meaning in the Old Testament regarding the eating of certain fish and the discarding of others so please read up before you make accusations of the sort. It is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean, but rather what comes out of his mouth. That comes out of the heart. When we were bound to the old testament and its rules and regulations, which we are not any longer because they have been fulfilled in Christ, the shellfish rule was there to show it was unclean for a man to eat because the Lord established it as unclean, just as today, it is unclean for a man to lust after a woman, or for a man to eat a food he believes to be unclean. The rule for sexual immorality is not and has never been under the same "code" as shellfish. Homosexuality is part of something that has not changed, and this is from the bible, whereas the rules and regulations concerning food has been taken away for something greater. The law has been magnified, not minimized. So whereas before it was food going into a mouth, now it is words coming out. Before it was sexual immorality, now it is thought of that girl or guy. Before it was a man and a man having sex, now it is a man even thinking about a man lustfully.

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31

Do not get me wrong either, I am not contradicting myself when i say we uphold the law, and we have fulfilled the law. What I mean is that in Christ, when we remain in Him, we do not go against the law but keep what matters, such as the above mentioned parts, etc I do not lust after a woman when I remain in Christ compared to having sex with one, I do not lust after a man compared to having sex with one, I do not eat a food I would believe to be unclean compared to eating shellfish, I do not speak evil words compared to putting something into my body that is bad.

I have to say I think God has the power to protect his word. I like how you worded it. Rob you of your chance to experience salvation to it's fullest degree. I love that & fully agree. You can be saved but you don't get the JOY of your salvation unless your following the will of God. ie I still love my kids & they can live in my house regardless, but boy it there more joy when they follow the will of dad compared to not

cannabiscultivation said:

The church's had all the power and wanted control of the trade routes.
I'll not go into what was being traded. So selective persecution by way of written word is not a new concept.
The King James version is not even close to the correct translations.
A word here or there.
WILL ROB YOU OF YOUR CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE SALVATION TO IT"S FULLEST DEGREE.

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There is a difference between stoned & high. I agree. But I still believe that there is a point at which you surpass what I believe is an acceptable level & when I go over it during my bible study or prayer time I know it.
THis is for me though. I believe that through the freedom we recieve once we accept Christ that you work your own details out as to your walk. NOt what goes in that kills a man, what comes out type thing.

Sativasfied said:

Slice of reality right there

If you think it's wrong to get totally stoned just the same way you think it's wrong to get totally wasted drunk, you need to start getting totally high. Yes there is a difference, and if getting totally high is still wrong to you, you haven't been high enough yet, keep toking and experiment with strains, and when it becomes totally right let us all know. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Can a hermie plant be born again and not want to fuck itself?

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Much like....everything....excess is not preferred for healthy living.

Excess....including prayer...?


Just askin....

mindphuk said:

Special pleading ftl!

A xtian cannot understand the bible without a working knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.


You guys should really figure out your message and stick with it instead of changing it based on the circumstance. On one hand we keep being told the bible simple, it should be self-evident to anyone, is made by god to be accessible to everyone, which undoubtedly should include those that haven't been imbued with the holy spirit. Now you tell us that former xtians or non-xtians cannot possibly understand. Well Jews don't think you xtians understand their bible, which your bible relies heavily upon. Jesus certainly had just cause to accuse the pharisees of being way to strict with the law to the point making the intent lost in the minutiae. However, claiming that Jesus, still an observant Jew, meant to do away with the law altogether is misunderstanding his message and going to the opposite extreme. You're worse than the pharisees, cherry picking what you want and discarding everything else. The same code that xtians use to denounce gays is the same one prohibiting the eating of shellfish or wearing clothing of mixed fabrics.

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Whoever has claimed anyone can understand the bible has clearly not read the bible in its entirety.

"He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them." Matthew 13 11

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2

cannabiscultivation said:

Much like....everything....excess is not preferred for healthy living.

Excess....including prayer...?


Just askin....

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Yes, excess including prayer, it is a false notion that following Christ is all about prayer. Whats important is doing what is right. For instance, what is more important, praying for someone or going to them to help them? Surely prayer is good, but what good is it without the action to help them with what you have prayed for?

The same goes with prayer and listening to God, what is more important to talk to God or to listen?

Guard your steps when you go to the house of God. Go near to listen rather than to offer the sacrifice of fools, who do not know that they do wrong. Do not be quick with your mouth,

do not be hasty in your heart
to utter anything before God.
God is in heaven
and you are on earth,
so let your words be few.

A dream comes when there are many cares,

and many words mark the speech of a fool. Ecclesiastes 5

It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes. Ecclesiastes 7 18


Proverbs 25 16 If you find honey, eat just enough-- too much of it, and you will vomit.

As you can see, too much of a good thing is not always good. Moderation is key.

trueg115 said:

This si where you have assumed wrongly though, you assumed that Christ came to destroy the law. Rather He came to fulfill it. We do not abolish the law, rather we uphold the law.
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Sounds like justification to me. The same law that Jesus fulfilled, which you claim you no longer have to follow includes man lying with another man. All of the xtian homophobes use these passages to justify their persecution but ignore everything before and after.

Jesus did not say he fulfilled the law and you are free to ignore the Mosaic law. He said he came to fulfill, but that won't be done until EVERYTHING is accomplished, according to your own quote.
Reading the quote in context, Jesus is contrasting what he sees as the law and how the pharisees have distorted it with innumerable rules and regulations that go beyond that actual law itself.
You cannot change eternal, perfect laws.
Psa 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psa 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments(laws) endureth for ever

How can you separate the laws against shellfish, mixed fibers, tattoos, touching or eating swine, etc. with the laws against man lying with a man? They are all part of the Leviticus code. This is the definition of cherry picking.

1 Corinthians chapter 5 makes it clear that sexual immorality is unacceptable. Galatians 5:19 provides a clear list of sins and immoralities which lead to damnation. Homosexuality being one of them, however, Jesus and the apostles deemed all foods clean, both the apostle Paul in his letters along with Jesus stating that it is not what goes into a mans mouth that makes him unclean but what comes out of the heart, that is what defiles a person.

The law of the Lord is not the law written in the Old testament as to what you know. The law is the lord now written on our heart. Does this go against the Old testament? No, the old testament leads us to Christ. Whereas before it was about keeping the commands in the written code, the written code has been abolished. "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" You see, it was contrary to us because it brought death. The whole point of the law was to show us what sin is.
What law was blotted out? The Mosaic law. The ultimate sacrifice of the Savior on the cross abrogated the old Mosaic laws, the symbolic of the coming Savior ceremonial sacrifices and ordinances, that did not include God's eternal Law, the Ten Commandments, which existed long before the "laws of Moses" were given at Sinai, and will always remain in effect for, and be joyfully and willingly obeyed by, the truly righteous. It is by faith we are saved, however, and since faith without works is dead, the truly righteous, by this faith will uphold this law, which does in fact condemn homosexuality and all forms of idolatry.
"therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a sabbath day. these are a shadow of the things to come; the reality, however is found in Christ. " Colossians 2:16-17

The mosaic law was all a shadow of what is to come. For example, whereas before they were to clothe themselves in certain material, now we are clothed in Christ with the armor of God. Everything has the greater aspect to it because it is found in Christ. Before it was tattoo markings and piercing, now it is the markings on our heart, such as pagan worship or Baal worship in our heart and bowing down to idols. You name it and ill show you what is the greater aspect and why the outward part is not for us any longer.

The law has been glorified and magnified. It is not through the law that we are saved. The law is powerless to save. Why? We are each born with a sin nature and in our sinful nature no one can please God. No one can keep all the commands required and therefore that is why Christ had to die for us. The one controlled by the Spirit, seeks life. But the one who is controlled by the sinful mind is death and cannot please God. We each break the laws and desire to break the laws without being born again. It is through our sinful nature we are at enmity towards God. Through Christ we have reconciliation because He died the death we couldn't. Now we have forgiveness through his blood. If the law could save, it would have and Christ would no longer have been needed, but as it is the law brings death but the Spirit brings life.

We are born again through faith in Jesus Christ and we can now repent of our sins and see the kingdom of God, we who were blind and dead in our sins can now see the risen Savior and enter into His kingdom by faith, as we await the day of His coming. He has offered a way of forgiveness and Peace with God. By this faith we now keep the law by upholding it, but whoever is in Christ is above the law, because there is no law to those who are in faith. Does that mean it is done away with and we don't support it? By no means, what I am saying is we do not go against the law of the lord because it is all summed up in a single command and whoever is keeping the law of the Lord will love his neighbor as himself and love Jesus with all his heart, mind, soul and strength.

We all need to be born again because we cant keep outward commands without he Spirit, it is only by changing the heart that we can be saved and actually clean ourselves, which in return cleanses our outward actions. Before it was about outward cleanliness, now it is about inward cleanliness, which is reflected outwardly. See how it is greater?

I LOL'd at this status.

Cherry picking AND disregarding Jesus' actual words while glomming onto the preacher Paul's explanation rather than your Messiah's. Paul's words are not the words of God, are they?

As for your 'written in the heart." Perhaps you need to look at this passage from another viewpoint: Unless we have read the "Old Testament" how can we automatically KNOW what Torah says? Yes, we have "the law"/Torah written on our hearts - but this does not mean we have an automatic knowledge of it just because we are "saved". It means we now have the desire for Torah! The heart is the "seat of desire". Why? Because it is the battleground over which God and Satan fight continually. Allegiance comes from the heart; as do concepts such as honor, loyalty, and commitment. The heart sets apart greatness from merely "good". Without the heart no endeavor reflects the fact that we are created in the image of God. If you think you can "blot out" eternal, perfect laws, it seems that you accept the 'interpretation' that you see fit in order to make it easier on yourself. That's not what Jesus preached.

As for your twisting of the meaning of whether you can eat shellfish or other treife. When read in context, the answer is "No". Kosher Law always was, and still is, God's Law. God never said pork, shellfish, etc. were food! People called it food in rebellion against God. The passages in question in the "New Testament" deal with animals God gave us to eat and whether they are ceremonially clean and can be eaten at that time. Even in Peter's vision (Acts 11), Peter would never have eaten the kosher animals that had been in contact with treife animals. The vision was to show that the kosher animals were no longer considered unclean because they were among the treife. This was illustrating that the Gentiles were now to be accepted! The rest of the passage in Acts 11 shows that this is the correct interpretation and what the vision was all about.

Please show me where I disregarded Jesus words. And of course Pauls words were the words of God as well! How little do you know about the New testament if you think otherwise!

"We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy

You continue to twist my words and claim I am the one twisting the bible. I never said I never read or desired the Old testament. I have read it cover to cover, I would never go off just a whim of thinking I know it in my heart, it is the Holy Spirit that has taken off the veil of the Old testament in my heart. Without Christ, the veil is still there and you cannot understand it.
But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 2 Corinthians 3 14
I pity you. you are still stuck under the Old testament laws thinking salvation is found in them. Please turn to Christ and Come to the cross where true salvation awaits. There is freedom! There is forgiveness once and for all. Christ has died for your sins, you no longer have to be bound by all of these laws which you cannot even fulfill in the first place. And Jesus did declare ALL foods clean once and for all many times.

What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them." Matthew 15 11

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer" 1 Timothy 4

As you can see ALL food is clean and consecrated by the word of God and prayer. You are trying to deceive the people into the law like all of the enemies of Christ that He came against and the enemies of the apostles. With just one read through the New testament it is clear it is the law that does not save and it is the law that has been abolished (mosaic law) and by abolished I mean for us to practice it any longer. There is a greater covenant and the new one is here to stay while the former is passing away.

"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." Hebrews 8 13

The only use for the law for us now is to point us to Christ to show us the way to salvation. It is to point out our sins.

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[SUP]f[/SUP] The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Galatians 3

Read carefully that scripture, these are the words of God, just as Jesus words for the Lord spoke from the Father just as the apostle Paul spoke from the Lord.

Going back, Pauls words never went against the Messiahs words at all. Show me where you think they did and I will prove you a liar.

"Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar." Proverbs 30 60


And the lie comes from the fact that we can be merely good on our own works. There is nothing we can do to inheir tsalvation or goodness on our own. I iwll leave you with this.

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.
“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
ruin and misery mark their ways,
and the way of peace they do not know.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Your misconception is that you think the Old covenant is perfect. There is error in this, the reason why Jesus came was because it was not perfect and in need of change. It could not save anyone at all. It was temporary sacrifice which was needed year after year and provided no true forgiveness of sins because if so, it would have only been needed one and for all.

"For if there has been nothing wrong with the first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said: "the time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. This si the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declare the Lord. I will put my laws in their heart and write then on their hearts. I will be their God and the will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor or a man his brother, saying 'know the Lord' because they will all know me from the least to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." Hebrews 8

By calling this covenant "new", he has made the frist one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. hebrews 8 13