Using marijuana as part of your prayer life if your a Christian..

Hi folks. Im not starting a debate into Christianity or any other form of religion. I am looking to talk to anyone (if there is anyone) who may be or have gone throught what I am.

I have been a Christian for probably 25 years or so. My father became a pastor when I was a teenager & have gone to chruch ever since.

In all that time I have never really felt close to God or Christ. None of it made any sense at all. All the rules & regulations & whatnot.

I stopped going to church abuot 3 years ago & had no guilt at all (which I thought was wierd a bit)

About 1.5 year ago, I started reading my bible. Just a bit at first, then more & more. Now I read it perhaps an hour per day. I start every day with a bit of weed & I read my bible then pray.

My walk has never been so close to the Lord ever. He has opened my eyes to so many things.

It's almost like he hit the reset button on my beliefs, but now its not going through the motions but its real to me. Jesus never told us to go protest movies, or to fight gay marriage or to force people to make changes in their lives. Never says don't smoke weed, or any other commands like that. He says if your doing something & someone gets offeneded by it stop which is what you would want someone to do for you. (I hope I am getting my point across. Not a great speaker)

That was up the the person, not the people to force them to think a certain way.

I discoved that its ok to say I don't know & it doesn't matter. Jesus came to give us freedom from all the laws & rules.

Love God more than anything & others as you do yourself. The rest is ALL window dressing. Day of worship, how much to give ect. Hard fast rules was what he was against. instead of 1 day per week we are to worship every day in every way. Be nice to everyone. Put others before yourself.

THis is what the Lord has revealed to me with weed, prayer & bible study. Im not a theologian, bible student or anything else. But I think I'm on to something here..

Anyways, I hope this starts up a dialect with like thinking people. I can't be the only one who's experienced this.

Later Gaters

I have a interesting story, I never knew anything about Christianity and when I used to smoke, one night I had a very vivid and intense experience where the Holy Spirit visited me and told me about Jesus ( I did not see anything but rather heard a voice inside me like John speaks of)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever, the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you." John 14

Anyways, up to that point in my life, if anyone would have asked me about if I knew Jesus, I probably would have assumed you were talking about a spanish guy down the street, I literally knew nothing about Christ. Once that night happened, I was instructed to get a bible and to give up weed along with a few other things. Safe to say, about 3 years later, I am not who I used to be at all, completely changed, (starting to grow again as the Lord has shown me it is okay for me now) I can actually say I know Christ and am a active member of the true church that is alive, though the more I look at the physical church the more pharisees I see. My goal is to change this.

As for what i say to you, that is awesome to hear, if smoking does help you in your prayer and you are still staying sober to resist the devil and it isn't leading you into sin then by all means continue.

I like your thinking. Now how do we do it?

Its funny you say vivid intense experience.

Just this morning (havent even told the wife yet) I have been really wondering where God wants me to be. Bible school, church etc, more kids, some kind of helping people etc. I am lost that way. I am a very successful person (Good job, fabulous wife & kids. Hell I even got a Jeep but I feel God has something for me. ). I mean its been weighing down on me for a while now. THis morning I was in the kitchen & I was just sitting there watching the news & I started to pray about it & I swear out of nowhere I heard "You are"

This was 6:30 am no one else was around, i was in my kitchen having coffee. There was no lights, no nothing spectacular. Just this audible "You are."

That was it.

Well I looked around dumbfounded..

That was it, I know I'm right were he wants me to be. That's it. I dont know any more than that. I have no revelation of things to come, no special message to the world or anything like that.

But I know I'm right where God wants me & I hope (know) He continues to work in my life.

Wow.. I think its fantastic that I can relate to an extent to your story.

either that or we;re both nuts

As for pot, it really hit me when I read that nothing that goes into a man kills him, its what comes out of his mouth. Pot like everything else can be used for good. Actaully the bible says that everythign workd for the good of the Lord. I still think its wrong to get totally stoned just the same way I think its wrong to get totally wasted drunk.

But that's for me. You may see it differnet & I will certainly not judge. Not my job.

That;s the kind of freedom I've gotten out of Christ.

Its fantastic.. can't wait to see what's next

Later

You might be interested in a book called " The Naked Gospel" by Andrew Farley. It opened my eyes to many things.

As for pot usage, mine is primarily for helping me sleep without chemical drugs.

That is awesome to hear, we will definitely have some good conversations. What I now know, though I don't know very much yet ( "the man who thinks he knows does not yet know as he ought to know" Corinthians) is so vast compared to 3 years ago. I have seen and been through things that 4 years ago I too would have considered crazy or nuts. All I can say is the things that happened in the New testament and Old are completely possible with God and not overly exaggerated stories. I am waiting for the day that Acts becomes alive again.

Just look at it this way, do you really think its a coincidence that the same day I share my story with you (which I have never really shared online before with anyone, only close friends) is the same day you hear an audible voice?

And I agree wholeheartidly that we arent to get stoned to an extent of not being sober and the same goes with being drunk, Jesus and the apostles testify to that, along with the Old testament prophets.

I have a feeling something very big is in store for you.

For you, I would charge you to study up on the Holy Spirit and how to listen to it, that is where it all changed for me after my event. And another suggestion is trust no one ( to an extent of only trusting those you know are guided by the Spirit), Jesus had many pharisees in his days, and we will have many as well. If you dont know, pharisees are people that look like they are following God but in their hearts they are completely separate from it. Wolves in sheeps clothing, watch out. You will know them by their fruit, as Jesus said, or their actions and their love (or lack of it)

I have always prayed for wisdom & decernment. I've done that for 20 plus years but in the past month or so I have been praying ernestly for the inflowing of the Holy Spirit. Since I've been doing this I have seen the world in a different light.

I work with lots of rich people (I am not, but I do ok) & I see weathly & worldly thing differently now. The only reason anyone has anythign is because God allows them to. I can honestly say that in the past 4 months I have not been jealous of anything other than I have to admit I was a bit enveous when I watched (of all things) 19 & counting I think its called? THe Duggers? This would not normally be something I would watch btw.

It was on this morning & I happened to see when flipping to CNN. I saw a family huge & everyone working together & I swear I never felt so little in my life. I work for money & the house, bills & of course the Jeep & I saw that family & would have traded everythig I own to have that. I dont mean the house or the trip or fame, I mean the family. Thats when it happend this morning. I was praying because I felt THAT's what I should be doing. Get a mess of kids (I have 3) I can afford more. That's what I was praying about this morning when I was questioning God where I was going in my life. I felt so inadequate asking God where he wanted to me to go *& what he wanted me to do. Have I been doing the wrong thing with my life? etc. Am I doing what God has planned for me? Am I walking in His will?

This was some serious soul searching & deep prayer for a 5 minute sitting in the kitchen drinking coffee alone with God moment..

I am no scholar by any means, but I think or Elisha ? was listening for God in the wilderness, big winds & bad weather. No God, then a small still voice in the stillness.

Holy crap I hope Im not loosing my mind. I cant afford a divorce. (Just kidding, wifes a believer too, honestly havent talked to her about this because I wanted to be sure I wasnt loosing my mind.. Im being honest here)

It gets deeper to, since asking the Holy Spirit to come on in.

I see things like the Big Bang Theory (not the show.. Although I do love that show) I see it as validating that God spoke the universe into excisitance. I see everything in nature just screams out God did this.

I want to study all the time to find out for myself, not just listen to others as I did for the first 25 years or so.

Just curious, have you spoke to anyone about this in person? I know I havent.. I'm afraid I don't know the proper vocaublary or just don't know enough to share. I dont want to fuck up Gods work.. but then I read when Jesus says dont worry about knowing what to say, the Holy Spirit will provide the words. This promise really helps. I;ve noticed a few times I've had poeple jsut start talking to me & religion or something of that sort will come up & I used to get scared abit. Im not shy & talk to rooms of (not hundreds) 10's of people & give sales presentations & whatnot. Not scared to talk, just pertified that I would say the wrong thing & lead someone astray by error.

I dont fear that any more & I also dont talk about it as much, but when I do its like I have this incredible confidence. When I say I dont talk about it much I mean actual words. Like speak for 20 minutes. I've noticed the last month or so I have passed on some things, very minor little things about ie Im a Christian but I smoke pot.. Get a big dump for that.. my response was tiny (few words) but I felt I was speaking the truth. Now I find there are others like me trying to follow Gods will & not even knowing it.

Im rambling.. damn I cant type as fast as I can think... I need Dragon Speak

I can honeslty say that I think I have the Holy Spirit. I've never spoke in tongues or anthing like that, but since I prayed for it sincerly, My anxiety, stage fright, worry etc is gone or leaving. It's almost impossible to describe without coming off as a nut case.. But I figure fark it... If anyone thinks Im a nut case so be it.

We are a pecular people

We certainly are, we are aliens and strangers in this world, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

As far as speaking in tongues and other gifts, those will come in time, and they do not validate if you are a christian or if you have the Holy Spirit or now. Do I have soem gifts? Most certainly but does that mean im a christian? No, what makes me and you a christian is that we have faith in Jesus Christ and do the will of the Father. Faith without works is dead.

Also, do not fear what they will think, you'd be surprised that more people will be open to the idea of God speaking to you then those that wont want to hear it. Though it is somethign witha very bad stigma due to false prophets and people claiming God speaks to them but it is either Satan or their own imagination, there are real people that truly hear from the lord out there as Jesus did. I too was afraid at first of telling people, but I was shown many scriptures such as the one you posted about the Holy Spirit speaking through you. This gave me confidence and next thing I knew I was able to tell many people about it, I am now at a point in my life where I am not afraid to testify about it and many people actually see me as one that the Lord has spoken to, whereas before there was a lot of skepticism, but what changed their minds? My truth and the lord showing himself to be with me because of my faith. SO keep your faith. Read about Moses in Exodus, look at how moses was when he was called, he said he was of slow speech and the Lord replied saying " Did not I create the mouth and the tongue? I will be with you and teach you what to say"

3 years ago, I didnt tell anyone besides people very close to me and now i'm at a point of discernment where I know who to tell and who not to tell. Jesus said "I send you out like sheep among wolves, therefore be as wise as serpents yet as innocent as doves.
You may be surprised at your wifes response. And if it isn't how you would have hoped, give it time.

You arent losing your mind though, in the past 3 years I have seen many christians open up to the truth about the bible and the Holy Spirit, ive seen one man taht grew up in an independent fundamental baptist church open up to every spiritual gift even to a point of hearing from the lord and he is the single strongest man of God I currently know right now, when he started off as the weakest. Anything is possible. If you dont know much about fundamental baptist, they are a denomination that is very phariseetical in general (of course there are true beleivers in it) and shun any form of the work of the Holy Spirit.

Also, as you do learn about the work of the holy Spirit, make sure you stick to wha the bible says about how to let Him guide you, a lot of pentecostal churches do it out of order, when God clearly warns through Paul that there is to be order in the church. That is why the holy Spirit currently has a bad vibe about it in most modern churches, because people are using the gifts of the Spirit wrongly and incorrectly and not according to the word of God. Speaking in tongues is good, praying is good, listening and hearing the Lord is good, but its all about faith expressing itself through love, if anything goes outside of that then it creates disorder. For instance, if I am in church and start to speak in tongues in front of everyone, who can understand me? It is better for me to speak with my mind.

You will soon get over being seen as a nut case, read about all the times people thought the apostle Paul was foolish for what he said or did, even his very own brothers and sisters deserted him time and time again for it, just like they did to Jesus.
It says "If we are in our mind, it is for your sake, but if we are out of our mind (sounding crazy) it is for Gods. There is a time and place for everything, a time to speak about supernatural things and events, and a time to refrain from it.

Glad to see where you're headed brother!

I am grateful for having read the above conversation. Kudos to you folks.

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smoking cannbis is a sin, your going to hell. (if you belive in that)

any discrimination is not what you would think. Is homosexuality any different of a sin in the bible then lust for another woman from a heterosexual man? Absolutely not. Jesus said "if a man looks at a woman lustfully he has already committed adultery in his heart with her." The sin of adultery is just as bad as the sin of homosexuality. both are sexual perversion and immorality. In the context of marriage, it is right for a man and a woman to marry and have sex, it is not right for homosexuals to. This was never intended in the first place, doesn't the very nature of things tell you that a man ought not to be with a man? Even the very act of it isnt right according to how things are created. The penis is meant to go into the vagina for intercourse, it is plainly seen and Jesus testifies to this as well by what has been created.

Can a homosexual become a christian? Absolutely! I know many homosexuals that have become born again by the blood of Christ and truly are saved and do not practice homosexuality anymore. How is this possible? By being born again, when you have faith in Christs death and resurrection and truly believe, you become born again, which means you become a new person with your sinful nature (lust, greed, homosexuality, sexual immorality) behind you as long as you continue in it. My very best friend woudl be considered homosexual by the worlds standards but he can confidently say he is not anymore because he is being saved from it. It is just as I myself am being saved from sexual immorality with women, waiting til marriage or abstaining in its entirety. There are much more important things at hand then spending time doing those things.


As far as science, what does the bible say that goes against science? Many times science in its broad sense is used in the bible, after all, God created all things and science is the explanation fo whats created. Are there thing sin science that go against the bible? Of course, but we are man and science is constantly changing, people used to think the world was flat (no where did this originate from the bible so you cant blame it on that) and not long after they realized their theory was incorrect. Can you take quantum physics and use it to show creation and explain more accurately why things are as they are? of course you can, and is this going against the bible? In no way.


With the topic of women, if you would understand the bible accurately then you would understand it is not because we are discriminating against women at all, their is equality. It is written that "there is neither male nor female, you are all one in Christ." What this means is that any believer, whether male or female is seen as the same by God and we are to view them the same, however, when it comes to matters concerning the church, there is a difference in the responsibilities and duties of women in it and of men. Just as there is a difference in how women dress and the different qualities women have compared to men, it is best suited towards them. What do I mean? Many times it is charged that women who are married should tend to their family, which is right in line with the motherly and caring aspect of women, it is well known that women are very good at mothering their children. It is the same with the church, it is designed to make best use of women by designating them to preach the gospel. It is written "Man is the glory of God and women is the glory of man." The husband is the head of the house, as Christ is the head of the church.

For cannabis, it is a false notion that smoking any cannabis at all is sin, take alcohol for example, it is not condemned in the gospel, Jesus drank to an extent, the goal was to never get drunk. Being drunk is a sin according to the bible, as it takes away from your sobriety. The man who fears God will avoid all extremes. It is the same with weed, am I able to take a little bit of marijuana without losing my sobriety and still enjoying its effects? Certainly. Many people us it medicinally, is it to say that those people who are using it to get rid of chronic health problems to enjoy a quality of life are sinning because they used something deemed as medicine for them? absolutely not.

At the end of the day, sin is sin and is bad, whether it be homosexuality, adultery, greed, murder etc. The truth is that through Jesus Christ we can be forgiven and changed into new people, not being fo the old sinful nature any longer. So we are not disciriminated against because of our past life. If you arent a christian then their is no judgement from us other then telling people to repent and to tell them about Jesus. God will do the judging with unbelievers.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. 1 Corinthians 5

trueg115 said:

any discrimination is not what you would think. Is homosexuality any different of a sin in the bible then lust for another woman from a heterosexual man? Absolutely not. Jesus said "if a man looks at a woman lustfully he has already committed adultery in his heart with her." The sin of adultery is just as bad as the sin of homosexuality. both are sexual perversion and immorality. In the context of marriage, it is right for a man and a woman to marry and have sex, it is not right for homosexuals to. This was never intended in the first place, doesn't the very nature of things tell you that a man ought not to be with a man? Even the very act of it isnt right according to how things are created. The penis is meant to go into the vagina for intercourse, it is plainly seen and Jesus testifies to this as well by what has been created.

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The "it's not natural argument", OK.. Except it is found throughout nature and is completely natural. Even still, disregarding that evidence, there is nothing that details why something 'unnatural' is bad and why everything 'natural' is good. I also have yet to see something as vehemently against homosexuality, because it's "unnatural" as polyester, sunglasses, or vaccines, because hey, they're equally as "unnatural".

trueg115 said:

Can a homosexual become a christian? Absolutely! I know many homosexuals that have become born again by the blood of Christ and truly are saved and do not practice homosexuality anymore. How is this possible? By being born again, when you have faith in Christs death and resurrection and truly believe, you become born again, which means you become a new person with your sinful nature (lust, greed, homosexuality, sexual immorality) behind you as long as you continue in it. My very best friend woudl be considered homosexual by the worlds standards but he can confidently say he is not anymore because he is being saved from it. It is just as I myself am being saved from sexual immorality with women, waiting til marriage or abstaining in its entirety. There are much more important things at hand then spending time doing those things.

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I'm confused.. I believe if this is the case, your friend is simply lying to himself. (Consider the implications, it is no different than you (presumably you're straight) suppressing heterosexual urges, that which you are born with, which are completely normal and natural.

trueg115 said:

As far as science, what does the bible say that goes against science?

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A lot. The Earth revolves around the Sun, the world is flat, men are superior to women, it's OK to keep slaves, etc..

trueg115 said:

Many times science in its broad sense is used in the bible, after all, God created all things and science is the explanation fo whats created. Are there thing sin science that go against the bible? Of course, but we are man and science is constantly changing, people used to think the world was flat (no where did this originate from the bible so you cant blame it on that)

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The Bible supports flat Earth theory

trueg115 said:

With the topic of women, if you would understand the bible accurately then you would understand it is not because we are discriminating against women at all, their is equality. It is written that "there is neither male nor female, you are all one in Christ." What this means is that any believer, whether male or female is seen as the same by God and we are to view them the same, however, when it comes to matters concerning the church, there is a difference in the responsibilities and duties of women in it and of men. Just as there is a difference in how women dress and the different qualities women have compared to men, it is best suited towards them. What do I mean? Many times it is charged that women who are married should tend to their family, which is right in line with the motherly and caring aspect of women, it is well known that women are very good at mothering their children. It is the same with the church, it is designed to make best use of women by designating them to preach the gospel. It is written "Man is the glory of God and women is the glory of man." The husband is the head of the house, as Christ is the head of the church.

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This is completely and incredibly sexist, no omnibenevolent god would create, endorse, or enforce such an idea.

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For cannabis, it is a false notion that smoking any cannabis at all is sin, take alcohol for example, it is not condemned in the gospel, Jesus drank to an extent, the goal was to never get drunk. Being drunk is a sin according to the bible, as it takes away from your sobriety. The man who fears God will avoid all extremes. It is the same with weed, am I able to take a little bit of marijuana without losing my sobriety and still enjoying its effects? Certainly. Many people us it medicinally, is it to say that those people who are using it to get rid of chronic health problems to enjoy a quality of life are sinning because they used something deemed as medicine for them? absolutely not.

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This seems like cherry picking. As if you're using the Bible to justify sin because it's already a part of your lifestyle. Sober/stoned is a fine line, completely subjective, so how am I supposed to know when the line is crossed according to God? All it says is 'remain sober', that could mean never touch a mind altering substance for a complete novice or don't take 25 hits of this crazy world altering shit if you're an experienced stoner.

trueg115 said:

At the end of the day, sin is sin and is bad, whether it be homosexuality, adultery, greed, murder etc.

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Well what about working on Sunday or shaving your beard? Those are 'sins', too, are they not? Sin is sin, no?

Padawanbater2 said:

How do you reconcile the belief that the Bible and its teachings are inherently good while it simultaneously discriminates against women, homosexuals and science?

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...some help with that thought.

Ill start from your last point and work my way up.
Working on sunday and shaving your beard are not sins at all. This comes from a lack of knowledge concerning the New and Old testament. Since Christ has died and set us free from the regulations of the law, we are not bound to these rules any longer, bu even back then it was not sin to shave your beard, only certain customs at times was it required to not shave your head etc. And these were only during set periods of time, such as when a man was becoming a nazarite, he would not shave his head for a set amount of days. It is a common misconception that the rules in the OT are to be abided by as Christians when Jesus has died and set us free from the law of sin and death. As for sunday, "one man regards one day as special, one man considers all days alike. let each man be fully convinced in his own mind." Romans 14
Jesus was sought out to be stoned by the pharisees in his day because he was working on the sabbath. Why was he doing this? because the true sabbath is following the will of the Lord. It is not just a day set once a week. It is worshiping in Spirit and truth by obeying Christ and following Him, just as he obeyed the Father and followed Him.

So as far as sobriety goes, if to you you don't want to smoke at all, then I would not smoke around you at all. If eating meat or drinking wine causes my brother to stumble, then I would no longer do either. Nonetheless, the acts of the sinful nature are obvious. It si obvious to each individual when they are living in debauchery and drunkenness. There is a clear difference between being stoned and feeling the effects of a little cannabis, in the same way that there is a difference between a little alcohol and a lot.

As far as the sexist remarks, I am no longer going to impede on those because the case has been stated and I do not expect any unbeliever to agree with that at all. But I will state that when it is taken in the right context, there is no sexism there.

Show me one verse that supports flat earth theory. There is not one at all. Neither is there a case that the earth revolves around the sun, I dont know where you are getting this information but it is not coming from the Holy bible. The bible does not condone slavery, btu since this world is set up by Satan and controlled by Him, Jesus knows their will be it, so slaves are to submit to their masters because it is bound to happen, it has happened before and it will happen again. It is not something that is condones in the sense of encouraging slavery. Jesus kingdom is not of this world, he is not trying to fix human society as it is, but rather the condition of man, fixing society would only provide a temporary solution, therefore he goes after the hearts of men to change the very essence of who they are to stop the corruption fully.

What you dont understand is that we have the power of the Holy Spirit, so we are not bound to what is natural any longer. So to you, it may be fully naturally to have heterosexual desires fro women and to give into urges for them, but to us, we are born again, with teh Holy Spirit, we are not living in our natural selves any longer and you cant understand this until you have been born again. We are not from below any longer, we are from above, the new man created in the image of Christ and seeking to become like Him. That is why we are considered aliens and strangers in this world. We still have our sinful nature, but we now have the power to put to death the acts of it, which we were powerless to do before.

When I speak of something being natural, as is the case of homosexuality, I am not speaking to if it is something in our human nature or something we are bound to do or not, as is the case my argument would be completely invalid then. Because then we would not have any homosexuals. What I mean is that the very nature of things shows that a man belongs with a women. That is where my argument stops at that. It doesn't go any further or any less. Yes, you do find homosexuality in nature, I am coming from a mindset that my fellow believers are not natural any longer, as stated earlier, we are from above and have the ability to overcome our natural state of mind and flesh, with that stated, my implications are going towards believer sin Christ. Does that make any homosexual any better off because he is not a believer? Of course not, but he is not held to the standard then of not being homosexual, do you see what I mean? There is no judgement from the church towards unbelievers asides from telling them it is sin. It stops at that, we are not to hold them to the standard of them getting out of it until they become a follower of Christ, because up until that point they are not able to, which is why you may find it hard to believe that my friend truly isn't homosexual like he was before, because according to man, it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

As Romans 1 States:
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.



As you can see, these things come from a lack of acknowledging God as God, he gives us over to them, just as easily and as much as he can take them away from us. That is the reason he died, not just for forgiveness, but for salvation from our sins so we will sin no more.

Foe me it's all about the relationship with JESUS, I talk to him,he lives,and every word of the bible is true. Sometimes I don't understand what it means,but when I ask he tells me maybe today maybe next week but he answers. I thought he was against weed,I thought that for a long time,but he let me know it was good used correctly. He showed me how to build my faith faster by going places where like minded people are,like church.With weed the relationship grew closer it's good and growing now. I love what I learn about JESUS.Peace

You know what i hate more than anything, as an Atheist, i have read the bible front to back multiple times... and 99% of every Christian i have ever met has never read the entire thing, or lies about reading the entire thing, which is sin in itself.

Please, familiarize yourself with your faith if you wish to be a true follower of a certain religion. But like i said before, Christians usually take the parts out of the bible that they like, and ignore the rest, in order to justify their behavior in the eyes of the lord.

Thessalonians 5:6-8 - Being sober is the opposite of being drunk and is associated with being alert and watchful.

Peter 1:13-17 - Be sober, gird up the loins of your mind so you can avoid lusts and be obedient and holy. This requires being alert.

Peter 5:8,9 - Be sober so we can be on guard for the devil, resist him, and not be devoured by him. Realizing how dangerous Satan is, we should keep our minds clear so we can recognize his deceit and resist his temptations.

Corinthians 9:25-27 - Bring our bodies into subjection to our minds, exercising temperance (self-control) like athletes in training, so our bodies will be properly guided by our minds.

Proverbs 4:23 - Keep your heart (mind) with all diligence because it must decide the issues of life.

Struggling against evil is difficult and dangerous at best, even with the clearest of faculties. That is why God has forbidden intoxication. There are other ways to violate these principles, but drug abuse is surely one way.

If you consider yourself a Christian, and you get intoxicated in any way... repent, discontinue the behavior, or you are going to hell. This is all in literal reference to what is considered one of the holiest texts in the world, the bible.






If this information at all contradicts your denomination... i would rethink you stance, and choose a different religion to fallow... if you wish to continue smoking cannabis, or consuming any substance that is mind altering, if i were you... i would choose something other than the Christian doctrine... else you will fall into the pits of hell for consumption of any substance that is intoxicating.

For God, according to the Christian doctrine, knows, sees and hears ALL. You cannot hide from the lord, even your thoughts can be seen, do not allow the temptation of intoxication of the devil infiltrate your life, for then... you will surely burn in hell.

Case closed^

nameno said:

Foe me it's all about the relationship with JESUS, I talk to him,he lives,and every word of the bible is true. Sometimes I don't understand what it means,but when I ask he tells me maybe today maybe next week but he answers. I thought he was against weed,I thought that for a long time,but he let me know it was good used correctly. He showed me how to build my faith faster by going places where like minded people are,like church.With weed the relationship grew closer it's good and growing now. I love what I learn about JESUS.Peace

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does he have an accent?