Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas
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I tried this so called scientific approach to the T and it failed miserably. Some plants ended up with 6 colas, some 5 some 3 and some 4 just like other members have posted. Even with two colas one would usually be much larger then the other . I am amazed at how many people have posted in this thread, there clearly wasnt enough scientific testing done . Unclue Ben your results are no by any means reliable and yet you pass them off as fact. You really need to learn what makes a plant tick before trying to educate people on what does and doesnt work. As I said VERY inconsistant results. You act like you are reinventing the wheel. You are just topping a plant . Stop trying to make it seem like anything more. Like its never been discussed before in here . Also your pcitures you posted are less then impressive. Back to the drawing board I guess .....
brick20
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SOME STRAINs HAVE RECESSIVE GENES TO TOPPING AS IF IT WERE FIMeD, AND CAUSING IT TO BE MASTER CROPPED OR BUSHY, BUT THAT'S A GOOD THING...
Flo Grow
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It really depends on what you're after.
It's not a bad thing either.
Mr Soul, creater of Cinderella 99, suggests topping C99 at the 4th node for maximum yield.
That's 8 main branches basically, so as you can see it's also strain dependent.
I just grew C99 for the 1st time and in DWC.
I also topped at the 4th node as the 6th was forming.
I only veg'd for 35 days from seed and the link in my signature tells my DRY yield..................lol
Uncle Ben
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The output has nothing to do with genes, it's all about hormonal responses. Sativas or indicas or mutts all will respond the same way.
UB
Uncle Ben
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It's not bad, unless you were aiming specifically for 4 main colas, in which case you chose the wrong spot on the plant to pinch/cut and/or the plant was in a state of alternating phytolaxxy.
Amount of time to harvest has nothing to do with the number of main colas. When they're ready, they're ready.
UB
charlie2na
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OK, SO i'VE GONE AND TOPPED FOR FOUR COLAS WITH GREAT SUCCESS. NOW A QUESTION STILL REMAINS.....DOES IT AFFECT THE PLANT DIFFERENTLY IF i WAIT TILL THE TOP IS BIG ENOUGH TO CLONE IN A DAISY CLONER.....MAYBE 4-5 WEEKS OLD ?
Uncle Ben
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Anyone using Miss Daisy have an answer?
Not right now,I'm driving her...
Look kids,listen to UBs advice. He's spot on. I've been lurking for a year to get some 1st class info.I find it better to lurk& learn than to open my mouth an ask a question that has been answered 100 times or more.I'm a dirt guy...Works for me.Why do all my water culture friends ask me how I do it,when they've been active for years,and I.m a noob? Simple...It's more forgiving of my mistakes.And I've made plenty.
I have some problems with my tomatoes,cukes,eggplant etc.,etc., So what,as long as I learned why I had the problem,I learn something....I'll fix it in the future.
Keep ragging on UB if you must,but I've found his info to be top shelf.. For Christs sake,the guy has been growing since we were in short pants,and I have to respect my elders.Even if I'm only a couple years behind.
I'd like to have the $$$ you guys spent, looking for a wonder cure...I'd take a vacation....
My first harvest harvest proves he's the man. He walked me through it,even if he didn't like my fox farm.-Said"I wouldn't pour that on my lawn" So what...I did.
And I had mucho bud, Thank you very much UB. My lawn is dying,but so what! I think I know what You're talking about... And it's not lawns...Much respect,
JWL
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smoke n strum
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I just wanted to thank you again for your advice in this thread on how to top. I used the the method that produces 4 main colas that you described on page one of this thread. I started all of my plants from old bag seed and this is my first indoor grow. Fortunately for me, I found this thread a few days before it was time to top the first plant, and since them I have topped 4 more, including one that i just did...it's a lanky looking sativa that looks a bit like Oaxacan ( I'm hoping ). I am amazed at how consistent this method of topping is...I am getting 4 main colas on every one of these plants so far, even though they are all different looking genotypes,(i think thats the right term)which confirms what you just said in this post. Pics included
I also followed your lead and bought some Jack's Classic (straight from their website).. I bought three types of their nutes...acid special(i have very hard water), and the Dynamic Duo which you know what that is I know. I got the 1.5 lb tubs and with shipping it was around 30 bucks including UPS shipping, a far cry from the exorbitant prices many are paying for their nutes, adn so far my plants are responding in an amazing fashion.
I don't kiss anyone's ass UB, but i do believe in giving credit where credit is due. It is a great service you are performing, doing your part to spread the word about how to grow our favorite plant, and doing it a sensible way, unlike some who would have you spending hundreds of dollars for inferior products that.. well I won't get into that again... ( I could not find the tit pics on AN's website...damn!!)
I also followed your advice about water...I received my tds meter last week and my tap water was 300 ppm. I went to the grocery store and bought some of the RO water from the vending machine there. It was $1.75 for 5 gallons and I am mixing that about 60/40 with my tap water run through a Brita filter for (before nutes) ppm of about 125. I am adding Jack's balanced 20-20-20 at 1/2 teaspoon per gallon every time I water and they look very happy and lush dark green now..Thanks a million!!
The old saying goes, you can give a man a fish and feed him for one day, or you can teach a man to fish, and feed him for the rest of his life. That's what you are doing for people here. Please keep doing it. Even if you didn't though, you have provided enough info for people to find and learn with that I will probably never get to all of it. When you are doing something right, you are always going to have detractors UB. For my sake and the sake of the other growers on here, I hope you keep fighting the good fight. We need you...SNS https://www.rollitup.org/images/smilies/gc.gif
smoke n strum
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This forum is for sharing info to the marijuana growing community, not for venting your personal distaste for other members. it detracts from RUI and you when you continue this rant. I read all through the arguments you had with UB about that gravity and whatever the other shit is. I wouldn't ingest anything grown in that stuff personally simply because they won't tell you what their secret ingredients are(probably water). I am not trying to pick a fight with you. I am sure you are a great guy with good intentions, but when someone presents you with documented fact in an argument and you come back with name calling and no evidence"real evidence" to support your claims and refuse to face the truth, then it makes you look silly and childish. I for one am putting you on ignore, because you have had plenty of chance to cool down and you refuse to. I have no desire to hear or see anymore of your bratty little shithead way of talking to UB, a man whose coat you are not worthy to carry. sns
ndzbnln
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Uncle Ben
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Funny. It may not have been your choice of FF I was not liking, it was probably the NPK of the product. Glad it worked out for you, sorry about the lawn.
Yep. I posted one showing the beginning of 4 main colas (trunks) on the previous page, here is a shot of one of my crosses topped for 2 main colas. The green cotelydons can be seen below the first true node. The seedling should look exactly like this when you get thru if you're doing 2 main colas. If it doesn't, don't blame the car, blame "the nut behind the wheel."
Not bad. If you have access to an ag supply store, you can buy such quality products for as little as $1.00/lb. but you have to buy them in 25 lb. bags. Another one I like a lot is Plantex, a Canadian manufacturer. Again, very cheap, very complete, super pure/soluble. I dump about 15 lbs. in a 5 gal. bucket of water and drop a mazzei type injector tube in it to fertilize plant material along 5,500 of drip line. Of course that's thousands of gallons of mix. Never clogs my emitters and they are only 1/2 g/hr. Low output emitters will tend to clog before high output.
Yep, as you can see, I hurt a some people's feelings talking about their snake oils. Most appreciate my candor. In the end, doesn't matter what folks think of me. Haven't folded yet and never will. I jest keep pullin' dem Aces.
At 300 ppm, you're blessed. Seriously, you need not bother with the R/O drills or Brita, especially if you're using soil. My TDS is 700, with an EC and alkalinity rating thru the moon. Plants don't seem to mind. I do collect rain water whenever it rains, which hasn't been in about 3 months!
IOW, use your tap, and use rain water whenever you can. It's pure, has some N in the form of nitrates, has microbes, and a lower pH. BTW, a couple of times Danieslgb has stated he's using your Jack's 20-20-20 at a (high) rate of 1 tsp/quart and I about had a cat but it's working for him. His plants are very healthy and green. Depends on the amount of urea as I pointed out in the thread. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/362515-well-here-goes-again-43.htmlDat's right.
Good luck,
UB
FYI you can get the same result and more consistant by simply taking a cutting off a plant already topped. Will start out with two colas or 3 or 4 and grow much more evenly and be consistant unlike this method shown here. No wasted veg time required. If you are growing from seed that is anther story of course.
Uncle Ben
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OK, so you have decided to troll my threads. No problem. You need to step up to the plate and give us a link..... with photos and explanations regarding the wonderful solutions you're spewing.
We'll be waiting with baited breath.
UB
Uncle Ben
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This is not a thread about cloning kid. The thread has been titled Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to get 2 or 4 MAIN colas. If you're lost perhaps someone can help you find your way.
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