Totally healthy, can I still obtain a medical card?

my comment is directed at the rediculous idea that if we should have the right to do what ever we want.
no there are no states that these are lega nor should there be. and the same goes for some junkie on heoin that swears he needs a fix and it should be lgal for evryone to have at will.

things seem pretty slack down there if any ailment counts. i do believe it is way different up here. your doc must put your documented and proven ailment and must have tried conventional methods. and even if they haver and the doc dont agree with using the pot as a replacement, then it wont happen till you find another doc that will go against what the original treating doc said. usualy wont happen unless there has been a change in health.

i`,m sure glad people believe everything they read in the newspapaer anyway or other documents on this subject.
i will stick to seeing this first hand type proof myself.

fdd2blk said:

biker gangs are gonna take over. funniest thing ever.


i'm a SICK med card holder and i could careless if someone is faking or not. i have been in the medical scene for 5 years and have NEVER seen ill effects from fakers. you all are just spreading rumors and making stuff up. you have NO PROFF that faking an illness hurts legitimate patients in any way. got a link to a news article or ANYTHING? i keep asking.

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THANK YOU ! i cant believe some of the first few pages of this thread where medical mj patients bashing other people trying to get a card.

did the freed slaves bash the still enslaved for trying to escape their masters ????

who the FUCK do they think helped them get the right for that card in the first place??? Only people with Cancer and other illnesses ?

HELL NO

the pot heads of america got you that card,its the first step on making it legal for EVERYONE

dont you understand we are fighting a unjust law here ??
just because people with illness have been somewhat liberated from the BULLSHIT ban on MJ (because of hemp threating the paper industry many many years ago..) doesnt mean we shoulds all stop fighting/manipulating the laws to get what we should already be legally entitled too.

if i move to cali you best believe im gonna try to use any little thing that is wrong with me to get a card for MJ. try and stop me .. i dare you

Bitches need to chill the fuck out, have a spliff and relax

bonz said:

why not?.......you said it yourself. the ones that get cought at the " faking " get theirt asses booted out.
so you dont htink that if that continues and will obviously get worse from what i see here, that would maybe make them look at what they are doing or make it harder to get acard for the legit people.
i`m not saying someone with a SERIOUS sleep problem shouldn`t get it.

i dont know you but and your rules in the states but up here the big concern is would be over run by major bike gangs. whio do you think is running the majoroty of the trade now, and you dont think they are bullying people to get cards and work for them so there operartion is legit.


thats what the issue is here. i have talked with some high up people in this and that is exactly why we it has taken so long.


if we wanted to lagalize any thing we wanted to do, why not legalize bank robery. i sure do like the money. or for the sick fuks out there that are child didlers they have an illness that causes them to do this sometimes so hell lets legalize it to so the poor fuk dont end up in prison. hell that would be cheeper to and less crowding in prison

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legalize armed robbery .. hmm yea thats a great comparison

with all the abuse on other prescription drugs (vicodin,valum .. ect)
is it much harder for people who need it to get ? FUCK NO

stop talking about it like its only use is medical
fucking alcohol is legal and its worse than pot ... you only need to be a certain age to get it .. just like it should be with pot

wtf is with smokin cigs ? they are filled with thousands of chemicals that KILL. the only thing gov does is charge people more to kill them selves and slap a warning sticker on the fucking box

wow, exactly again so if all those things are lega are you saying they shouldbn`t be because they sure do cost us alot to treat the fall out of legalizing that shit to.

my comparison to the crime and pot is just as dum as someone comparing legalizing heroin and crack, speed whatever it may be. to legalizing pot.
i dont see to many people in all the years working recovery and being in prison for pot adiction.

i`m not saying dont legaize pot, but maybee it would be better to get more legit people on board and it may open the door easier for others to and maybee not.
thats just how i see it up here.

and yes a big concern up here is keeping a certain biker group`s finger out of the lagal pie. maybee they dont down there but they sure are here. and that is first hand info. no need to read a document

420weedman said:

with all the abuse on other prescription drugs (vicodin,valum .. ect)
is it much harder for people who need it to get ? FUCK NO

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Actually, yes. All of the abuse makes it MUCH more difficult for legit medical users such as myself to obtain their meds. Do you have any idea how many hoops I have to jump through? In my state the doctors are running scared from the DEA; they will do almost anything to get you to stop using narcotic drugs to control your pain. They don't want their names on a list.

I'd like to know how one extrapolates "any ailment" to mean "fake an ailment". Maybe it's a fine distinction, but I see one nonetheless. I am sure the courts would see it that way, too. If people fail to appreciate the significance of treating a hard-fought hard-won law so casually, then there's little else to say.

To answer a question previously posed, yes, I am in favor of governmental regulation of mj, and have always said so. I see no reason for it not to be treated like cigarettes, wine, and beer (though, in all honesty I'm not sure if you can grow tobacco at home to roll your own, but I don't see why not). If sold in the markets it adheres to quality standards set forth by agencies, just as with these substances and products. It is taxed, thus bringing revenue to government coffers (and I just prefer sales to income taxes, anyway, cuz I'm funny like that). And, as with wine, cider, mead and beer, one should still be able to have a home production that breaks no laws as long as you don't sell it to others without proper permitting and licensing.

I don't see what's so unreasonable about working towards that goal, while remaining respectful of the current law in that's in place, not trivializing the people who are really helped by medical mj, trivializing those who work their hardest to act according to the law, and not encourage people to falsify ailments in order to "legally" smoke. I wish I were better able to articulate how I see falsification as a blow to 215 and similar law, I just do. I think it could easily be used against "us" in efforts to repeal such laws, definitely.

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THANK YOU ! i cant believe some of the first few pages of this thread where medical mj patients bashing other people trying to get a card.

did the freed slaves bash the still enslaved for trying to escape their masters ????

who the FUCK do they think helped them get the right for that card in the first place??? Only people with Cancer and other illnesses ?

HELL NO

the pot heads of america got you that card,its the first step on making it legal for EVERYONE

dont you understand we are fighting a unjust law here ??
just because people with illness have been somewhat liberated from the BULLSHIT ban on MJ (because of hemp threating the paper industry many many years ago..) doesnt mean we shoulds all stop fighting/manipulating the laws to get what we should already be legally entitled too.

if i move to cali you best believe im gonna try to use any little thing that is wrong with me to get a card for MJ. try and stop me .. i dare you

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VERY WELL PUT !!!!

MountainSmoker said:

Why anyone would say that only people with legitimate medical problems should get medical cannabis? We all deserve to enjoy our plant free of consequences

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bonz said:

why not?.......you said it yourself. the ones that get cought at the " faking " get theirt asses booted out.

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... which is why I also included foolproof instructions on obtaining a medical card. Everyone on this planet should be able to smoke cannabis without having to worry about losing their jobs/freedom/families, whether they have medical ailments or not.

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so you dont htink that if that continues and will obviously get worse from what i see here, that would maybe make them look at what they are doing or make it harder to get acard for the legit people.

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No, it won't. People here in CA passed Prop 215 knowing damn well that people were gonna smoke it who didn't have illnesses. It keeps peaceful people out of the system, which relieves the overcrowding in our incredibly overcrowded jails, keeps money off the black market, and does help the people with legitimate illnesses tremendously.

bonz said:

i dont know you but and your rules in the states but up here the big concern is would be over run by major bike gangs. whio do you think is running the majoroty of the trade now, and you dont think they are bullying people to get cards and work for them so there operartion is legit.

California and Canada are waaaaaay different man, biker gangs are childs play compared to the Mexican Mafia, MS, and all the other gangs controlling the drugs out here. See my above quote, getting a medical card takes huge funding out of these gangs.

bonz said:

thats what the issue is here. i have talked with some high up people in this and that is exactly why we it has taken so long.

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If you're talking about America, you're missing the mark completely. If you think marijuana stays illegal because some healthy potheads get medical cannabis, you are waaaaay off again... Really, that's an incredibly stupid statement, and the "high up" people need to pull their heads out of their asses. The issue is so much more complex than coming down to a single issue, especially the retarded issue you presented. I'd say the big thing holding our state back, is that state officials and representatives are reluctant to support cannabis for fear of losing votes. They all want to be elected/reelected, and supporting an illegal narcotic is a sure fire way to lose some supporters.An initiative to decriminalize cannabis was supposed to be on the ballot this year, but the required amount of signatures were not collected. If more resources were put into signature collections, it would be on the ballot right now, and it was expected to pass with room to spare.

bonz said:

if we wanted to lagalize any thing we wanted to do, why not legalize bank robery. i sure do like the money. or for the sick fuks out there that are child didlers they have an illness that causes them to do this sometimes so hell lets legalize it to so the poor fuk dont end up in prison. hell that would be cheeper to and less crowding in prison

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What the fuck? Are you serious? I hope you are joking. If you really think like that... Damn. Cannabis smokers dont forcefully rape defenseless children, nor do they take other peoples money at gunpoint. Your analogy is a joke. I hope you don't honestly think like this. I'm not going to insult you, but your statements are retarded. Seriously man.

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bonz said:

my comparison to the crime and pot is just as dum as someone comparing legalizing heroin and crack, speed whatever it may be. to legalizing pot.

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bonz said:

i`m not saying dont legaize pot, but maybee it would be better to get more legit people on board and it may open the door easier for others to and maybee not.thats just how i see it up here.

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That's how you see it up there... We are talking about here. You obviously don't know what's going on down here, yet you are posting like you have inside information from "high up people".

Your uninformed statements make you look foolish. Educate yourself on the issue at hand before trying to argue about it.

if you read it right i said sick fuks in there. so to me that dont sound like i am like that. not a chance. someone earlier said they feel they should have the right to do anythinhg they felt the desire to do, that it should be legalized. so i was being sarcastic. sorry for the missunderstanding.

i have already said i dont know your laws down there as you dont have a clue about things here either.

i dont care who has the baddest gangs. you must agree the gangs are the bigest members in the drug trade?? so once it becomes legal everywher you dont think they would lean on people to grow or whatever for them. they do it now to get young people to deal and shit for them dont they.
it would seem to me it would just open a door for them if we are not carefull and think it through.

Oh my just got through reading the entire body of posts since my initials way back when. Let me say this, Sea Maiden-I've seen the pics of your deck and read about your plans for your new grow room etc. If I could stay home and mess about with growing that much weed I might just trade you for my life of being "healthy" having to go to work for 12-14 hours per day and getting beat the fuck out of so I can come home and listen to kids bitch and pay bills and go do it all again 6 days a week. Then come home and drink whatever's around to self medicate so I can sleep and forget about that last day. Because you see if I ever got caught with THC in my system I could lose my job and make things 100x worse than they currently are.

So if I could stay home and grow weed, watch TV, call/text people all day, and do whatever I wanted I think I could deal with the pain. Also sitting sedintary, babying yourself is certainly not going to help you recover. Do some physical exercise and start to act as if you were not in pain. The more you think about your problems, the more likely they are to persist because your brain is making it so for your body. If you "want" to smoke weed by all means do, just don't pretend it's the only thing that works for you and hide behind a doctor's note.

ah you think we all just sit around and play with dope all day,hahaha.some of us do lots everyday.
i find it funny you cut them down for hiding their problems behind pot but you do it with booze,....oh i get it now thats a better way. geusse i shouldn`t have quite drinking.

sorry i was being a prick there. dont mean anything personal bud. i justy see so many posts that are contradicting themselves.
we all seem to know each others pains and misery better than ourselves ( myself included )
i would trade having a life back of what you have any day comp[ared to spending most of the time barfing and loosing weight and people looking at you like youyr some junkie when your realy only dying.

ever been through kemo for the last year or so, not fun.

its kinda gotten off topic now we are judging who hurts more. and we have no idea what the other is going through.

i`m done, sorry to offend anyone wasn`t my intention

bonz said:

if you read it right i said sick fuks in there. so to me that dont sound like i am like that. not a chance

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It's not a question of you being a sick fuck or not, it's a question of you comparing a harmless crime like smoking marijuana to horrific acts like child molestation and armed robbery. That is terrible logic.

bonz said:

i have already said i dont know your laws down there as you dont have a clue about things here either.

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No I don't know about Canadian cannabis laws. But I didn't go into a thread about Canadian medical cannabis and present arguments with inaccurate information. California must be completely different if this is how you people think up there. The people of California voted for Proposition 215 in 1996 knowing full well that people without terminal illnesses would be receiving cannabis. This is not an issue at all.

bonz said:

i dont care who has the baddest gangs. you must agree the gangs are the bigest members in the drug trade?? so once it becomes legal everywher you dont think they would lean on people to grow or whatever for them. they do it now to get young people to deal and shit for them dont they.

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Assholes who get kids to deal are doing it so they can sell their drugs without facing the legal risk that comes with drug transactions. If cannabis were legal, they would not face legal problems for cannabis sales. They could sell the drug themselves without fear of jail, they wouldn't want some extra kid with no experience around.

If cannabis is legalized, the government will get the money the gangs are making right now. Billions of dollars will be taken out of gangs. Billions of cannabis dollars that go on to fund real crimes and substances, would instead be taxed and applied for the good of the people.

bonz said:

it would seem to me it would just open a door for them if we are not carefull and think it through.

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Your statement is incorrect in regards to this topic, because you aren't informed on the subject. Healthy people smoking medical cannabis isn't keeping it illegal here, at all. The voters in CA knew damn well healthy people would be using medical cannabis when they voted for the proposition.

Hope you're smoking some dank up there man, Romulan and Texada Timewarp are some awesome medicine from Canada, try to score some if you haven't. And maybe think these issues through a little bit more before you post, escially when claiming to have info from people "high up". Were in this fight together, and spreading false information like this can only hurt our cause. Keep it green.

see there it is again you say i dont know shit about your laws there and i have agreed way back to that but you seem to claim you know all of ours???? do you realy and do you realy see what is going on up here or do you just read it or are told and believe it.

you like to jump at me for the comparison of the crime and pot thing why not the guy that think we should all have the heroin for what evr we want to.

thats what i was kinda driving at with that, gee sorry you didn`t like the comparison.

i am not trying to sound like a know it all....far from it. so we think diferent so what.
oh and those strains are kinda borring to me as it is all over the place here. need a different one.

enjoy your grows, i`m done with this one. wow never seen so much drama in a site before.
yaya i know if ya dont like it leave. lol

pot heads complaining about people smoking pot. what a joke. this is why it's still illegal, we can't even come to terms among ourselves.


if you have a med card and you have ever gotten "stoned" for fun, you lose this argument.

Seamaiden said:

I'd like to know how one extrapolates "any ailment" to mean "fake an ailment". Maybe it's a fine distinction, but I see one nonetheless. I am sure the courts would see it that way, too. If people fail to appreciate the significance of treating a hard-fought hard-won law so casually, then there's little else to say.

To answer a question previously posed, yes, I am in favor of governmental regulation of mj, and have always said so. I see no reason for it not to be treated like cigarettes, wine, and beer (though, in all honesty I'm not sure if you can grow tobacco at home to roll your own, but I don't see why not). If sold in the markets it adheres to quality standards set forth by agencies, just as with these substances and products. It is taxed, thus bringing revenue to government coffers (and I just prefer sales to income taxes, anyway, cuz I'm funny like that). And, as with wine, cider, mead and beer, one should still be able to have a home production that breaks no laws as long as you don't sell it to others without proper permitting and licensing.

I don't see what's so unreasonable about working towards that goal, while remaining respectful of the current law in that's in place, not trivializing the people who are really helped by medical mj, trivializing those who work their hardest to act according to the law, and not encourage people to falsify ailments in order to "legally" smoke. I wish I were better able to articulate how I see falsification as a blow to 215 and similar law, I just do. I think it could easily be used against "us" in efforts to repeal such laws, definitely.

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EVERYBODY has some sort of "ailment". here's the list again, since you missed it the first time, Minor ailments and illnesses - Health Encyclopaedia - NHS Direct
dude didn't realize he has NO reason to fake anything. he has some type of ailment.

i would like for YOU to find one person in this world who doesn't have one of those. have you spoken with dennis yet? Dennis Peron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so wat happened to wat the subject was bout

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see there it is again you say i dont know shit about your laws there and i have agreed way back to that but you seem to claim you know all of ours????

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MountainSmoker said:

No I don't know about Canadian cannabis laws.

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As a completely healthy guy who lives in California, who has obtained a med card, I assure everyone that it is possible, very easy in fact, to get a medical card. It is extremely simple, you have a basic consultation with a doctor, then you pay $100-$175 dollars (depending on location) for your medical card, which is typically only valid for one year.

Even if you sleep 14 hours a day, tell the doctor that you have insomnia. This is a foolproof excuse, as the doctor can't prove you don't have insomnia. Tell him that you've taken over the counter sleeping pills for years, and that they hardly work. Tell them cannabis works very effectively, and has no side effects.

They're really only gonna turn you down if you lie and claim to have a condition, and the doctor wants records before his approval

fdd2blk said:

EVERYBODY has some sort of "ailment". here's the list again, since you missed it the first time, Minor ailments and illnesses - Health Encyclopaedia - NHS Direct
dude didn't realize he has NO reason to fake anything. he has some type of ailment.

i would like for YOU to find one person in this world who doesn't have one of those. have you spoken with dennis yet? Dennis Peron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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If you'll notice, I'm not questioning anyone as to whether or not they have something that ails them. Nor am I asking for advice on how to deal with mine. I am pointing out a distinction that I make, which is a difference in concept between "any ailment", which rather automatically implies that you have an ailment, and falsifying or making one up, which by default means you haven't got one or you wouldn't be making one up.
I would like to understand how one is extrapolated to mean the other, because I don't see it.

Was the link on Mr. Peron supposed to answer this question? Are you saying that he advocated falsification of health issues in order to obtain medical cannabis products (not the hemp based stuff you can buy at Walmart)?