Top 2-3% Tax Cuts

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
I dissagree in the great depression there was lots of demand for food an services , just no jobs-money to purchase them cause the rich felt broke an werent hiring witch led to more jobs lost an more buisness not selling goods an more buisness an corps failing , witch lead to more unemployed............

The rich have the juice we need to "prime the pump". We need them to want to invest it here by offering tax breaks so we can get there buisness taxes. They are cash cows for the USA, the amount they recive in tax breaks pails in comparison to the taxes they pay. We need to stop kicking rich cows? lol. We need to collect them like kind seeds for future success.
Except that's not true. There was more wealth concentrated in the hands of the wealth than any time in our history. The opposite of what you are saying is true.



The last time this much wealth was concentrated in the hands of the rich was right before the great depression. The country has historically been more prosperous when more of our wealth is held by the middle class, not the wealthy.

If we just redistribute wealth as food stamps it wont rase our GDP a cent. It will incrase stagflation or inflation of the dollar making the ecomony even sicker piss off the rich who feel they got robbed at gunpoint by the IRS. Inflation is a huge player in the economy. An since we import so much products its impotant to get the Dollar up an deficet spending down so our currency is still strong in other countries where we do our big shopping.
Rich people don't hire or fire people because they are happy or mad. They do it because it will increase their income. If you tax Bill Gates an extra 3%, you aren't taxing microsoft 3%. Why would he want he want to fire people who are making him money? Because he's mad? Do you really think that makes sense?

Next year, the estate tax will rise from a 0% rate to 55%.Corps start out as small, med, an large buissness ran by the owner.
Corps ususaly have a majority share holder who started the buisness, or whos family started the buisness still running it. The Irs knows this an goes after them when they die. Many medium to large buisness with owners will prolly have their assest liquidated by the IRS if they dont have 55% of its total value (including all capitol) paid to the IRS asap.
So they have to sell some stock in their company. Why do I care about how much money the IRS takes from a dead person?

Also rasing taxes is a bad idea in general i believe, but especialy in a recession, i feel is based mainly on envy am punishment not economics.
That's because you don't understand why businesses create jobs or fire people.

Corporations don't hire people because rich people pay taxes. They do it because it makes the corporation money. The corporation doesn't make less money because rich people are taxed. There is a difference between corporations and people.
 

medicineman

New Member
Except that's not true. There was more wealth concentrated in the hands of the wealth than any time in our history. The opposite of what you are saying is true.



The last time this much wealth was concentrated in the hands of the rich was right before the great depression. The country has historically been more prosperous when more of our wealth is held by the middle class, not the wealthy.



Rich people don't hire or fire people because they are happy or mad. They do it because it will increase their income. If you tax Bill Gates an extra 3%, you aren't taxing microsoft 3%. Why would he want he want to fire people who are making him money? Because he's mad? Do you really think that makes sense?



So they have to sell some stock in their company. Why do I care about how much money the IRS takes from a dead person?



That's because you don't understand why businesses create jobs or fire people.

Corporations don't hire people because rich people pay taxes. They do it because it makes the corporation money. The corporation doesn't make less money because rich people are taxed. There is a difference between corporations and people.
I agree. The proof: The Bush tax cuts are in effect as we speak. Why aren't and why haven't rich people been creating more jobs? It is a total bullshit theory created by rich people for rich people and shoved righ up our middle class asses. I saw John McCain on Meet the press this morning. He said full throttle for tax cuts for the rich. Hmmmmm........Isnt his wifey one of the rich people, doesn't she own the largest beer distributorship in Az.? Yeah, I can see his point clearly. What I don't get is the middle class going along with this,, boy are they brainwashed. I don't want to hear one more republican shouting about the deficit, talk about hypocrites.
 

The Ruiner

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I love seeing republicans at or below the poverty line...its totally hilarious if you just dont give a shit anymore about anyone or anything else like I don't now after trying to help people pull their heads out of their asses for the last decade. Complete waste of my time and it drained me mentally, physically, and to what I can tell, spiritually.

Anyone else just totally sick of this crap that continually keeps happening that makes our lives worse? To the point where you just dont really care about anyone that is not in your immediate circle? If/when SHTF I wont be happy or sad...I will probably just feel a sense of relief that at least the worry is over. The plight of the people (the really fucked ones that didnt heed any warnings whatsoever) doesn't really concern me anymore...They obviously didn't give a fuck, why should I give one about them? To feel like I am taking the "higher road" and essentially to give myself some sense of self-gratification that I am a good person and I tried to help? Fuck that nonsense... I am a good person and I don't need the reassurance. I will just see it as society finally having to pay the price for it's complacency.
 

UncleBuck

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Nope. If the threat of violence or actual violence is employed to make a person comply with something they don't agree with it is involuntary.
taxation WITH representation, silly goose. like i said, if you don't want to pay them, you may leave anytime. if you CHOOSE to stay, you subject yourself to the taxation.

what don't you get about this simple concept? NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO STAY AND PAY, YOU ARE CHOOSING TO!

A person might be able to leave, that's debateable.
no, that is not debatable.

what planet do you live on? are you handcuffed to your front porch? is there a perimeter set up such that if you cross it, you get an electrical shock?

The fact that a person would have to leave, to "escape" the initiation of force is evidence that something is not voluntary.
except you don't have to leave. see "the amish". they don't have to pitch in to the costs of society because they forgo the benefits of society.

your oft-repeated argument is completely full of holes. it is complete and utter bullshit. no one is forcing you to do anything. it is all of your choosing, and you may opt out anytime you want, and have several options for doing so that i have elaborated.
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
taxation WITH representation, silly goose. like i said, if you don't want to pay them, you may leave anytime. if you CHOOSE to stay, you subject yourself to the taxation.

what don't you get about this simple concept? NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO STAY AND PAY, YOU ARE CHOOSING TO!



no, that is not debatable.

what planet do you live on? are you handcuffed to your front porch? is there a perimeter set up such that if you cross it, you get an electrical shock?



except you don't have to leave. see "the amish". they don't have to pitch in to the costs of society because they forgo the benefits of society.

your oft-repeated argument is completely full of holes. it is complete and utter bullshit. no one is forcing you to do anything. it is all of your choosing, and you may opt out anytime you want, and have several options for doing so that i have elaborated.
Do I have the option of remaining and not using the um "services" , leaving other people alone and being left alone? NO? I didn't think so.

Concerning force, of course there is force. If a person must "pay up or get out" that doesn't leave them the option of not paying, not using any of the so called services and remaining on what is nominally "their" property. Some choices you present there.

My arguments are consistent. If nobody is forcing me to do anything, why would I have to leave? What if I don't, won't they or people like you then force me to pay or you will steal my liberty or my house ?
 

Snow Crash

Well-Known Member
Do government employees pay taxes?

That'd be stupid...

I am under the impression that churches and their "employees" salaries were untaxable also.

You'd have to go big or go home though. Here we come Jesus!
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
SCARHOLE: leave the discussion of economics to people who actually know something about economics.

first thing, the mere fact of 'wanting' something does not create demand. YOU ARE WRONG.

in economics, it is assumed that for demand to be created you not only want something, but you have the money to get it.

for example: I want a Cessna Citation 650, a twin-jet private aircraft. I don't have enough money to buy half a tire for one of those.

I want it, i can't buy it, i am not creating demand for Cessna Citation 650s.

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